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[shockblast2]

Nothing JeLze. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. More options means more combining fun. I think it's great. More toys and options for everyone!

Edit: On his own, Alpha Bravo is a really great figure. It will be cool to have Slingshot for tradition, and AB to mix it up.

I can make you a Slingshot figure right now if you like. Let me have your Firefly figure. I will douse it in gasoline, light it on fire, stomp on it to put it out, and then rip its arm off. Then, you will have an accurate IDW Slingshot figure.

[shockblast2]

crap shockblast. get a grip.

(s'all i got for a comeback. at work.)

That is it?


Sabre, I really miss our debates. We agree too much anymore.

[prjkt]

It's funny how people think Hasbro is following IDW character wise, for some it's true (Swerve, Tailgate and Brainstorm) but for almost every release since wave 1 2013, if they're not already in the comics, they've been shoehorned into the story at Hasbro's request, sometimes usefully, ie Rattrap, Scoop and Windblade, but mostly as just throwaway (could be anyone) appearances like Tankor, Rhinox and Crosscut. Even Starscream and Bumblebee's new bodies are because of the Generations releases.

In fact, we didn't know Slingshotnwas already dead in fiction until long after the Hasbro Superion reveal, and so far Alpha Bravo has had a single frame cameo explaining his presence in fiction. Not exactly much time to generate a fanbase...

Ah well, so far the CW releases have been great, and I'm looking forward to future waves.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

And here I was thinking the news would be well-received. Tell me, what would be inherently wrong with Hasbro releasing Slingshot and Wildrider, even if they end up as straight redecos with new heads and as exclusives (I will admit Wildrider would be hard to swallow as such though)?

Short and to the point answers please.

Nothing. I just do not agree with the ideology that just because Taraka is releasing it means that we will see it here. And that is based on the fact that it has never happened. Of course it could, and that is why I wouldn't say 100%, but it is highly unlikely. If it does, then great. As another member said, it just adds to the combinations one can make. But, I like the IDW ideology that Slingshot is dead and replaced with AB, and Wildrider does not exist in favor of Off-road. Makes it distinctively different than geewun, as it should be. Because G1 ended in the early 90's. This is easy for me to accept. Not sure why some others are clinging on to something that ended 25 years ago?

I'm more willing to say TakaraTomy is releasing them first, before Hasbro, which has happened in the past. In no way have we ever said they'd be TakaraTomy exclusives (we never got a chance to, anyway). I've taken a little look in that TFW2005 thread, and they claim images are available, but not publicly. Give it some time, before claiming everything is not true just because it doesn't follow past trends.

Finally, I'd advise on leaving the people who have chosen to make Generations as an extension of Generation 1 alone. You may not agree with that, we may not agree with the Generation 3 standard you hold. But that sort of bantering deters from the points you try to make.

[william-james88]

And here I was thinking the news would be well-received. Tell me, what would be inherently wrong with Hasbro releasing Slingshot and Wildrider, even if they end up as straight redecos with new heads and as exclusives (I will admit Wildrider would be hard to swallow as such though)?

Short and to the point answers please.

If that is what Hasbro ends up doing, then I think they truly are masters at their profession.

[Dead Metal]

I think the idea of Hasbro releasing Slingshot and Wildrider later sounds pretty awesome. That way we get proper Superion and Menesor sets, and the new guy characters can become limbs for a new combiner team. Or you know, give more options for combinations.

I just realized, Alpha Bravo is mainly white, he might actually be intended for use with Optimus Prime, to homage Energon Optimus in super mode. All we would need for that would be a fire engine limb, a drill tank limb, and a bullet train limb. But now that I think about that it sounds incredibly unlikely we'll get those, unless they make Technobots.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I think the idea of Hasbro releasing Slingshot and Wildrider later sounds pretty awesome. That way we get proper Superion and Menesor sets, and the new guy characters can become limbs for a new combiner team. Or you know, give more options for combinations.

I just realized, Alpha Bravo is mainly white, he might actually be intended for use with Optimus Prime, to homage Energon Optimus in super mode. All we would need for that would be a fire engine limb, a drill tank limb, and a bullet train limb. But now that I think about that it sounds incredibly unlikely we'll get those, unless they make Technobots.

Submarine. And I like the idea of 4 "off-beats" combining with (a redeco of) Optimus Prime.

[shockblast2]

And here I was thinking the news would be well-received. Tell me, what would be inherently wrong with Hasbro releasing Slingshot and Wildrider, even if they end up as straight redecos with new heads and as exclusives (I will admit Wildrider would be hard to swallow as such though)?

Short and to the point answers please.

Nothing. I just do not agree with the ideology that just because Taraka is releasing it means that we will see it here. And that is based on the fact that it has never happened. Of course it could, and that is why I wouldn't say 100%, but it is highly unlikely. If it does, then great. As another member said, it just adds to the combinations one can make. But, I like the IDW ideology that Slingshot is dead and replaced with AB, and Wildrider does not exist in favor of Off-road. Makes it distinctively different than geewun, as it should be. Because G1 ended in the early 90's. This is easy for me to accept. Not sure why some others are clinging on to something that ended 25 years ago?

I'm more willing to say TakaraTomy is releasing them first, before Hasbro, which has happened in the past. In no way have we ever said they'd be TakaraTomy exclusives (we never got a chance to, anyway). I've taken a little look in that TFW2005 thread, and they claim images are available, but not publicly. Give it some time, before claiming everything is not true just because it doesn't follow past trends.

Finally, I'd advise on leaving the people who have chosen to make Generations as an extension of Generation 1 alone. You may not agree with that, we may not agree with the Generation 3 standard you hold. But that sort of bantering deters from the points you try to make.

Just because we have differing ideologies does not mean there is no fun in debating it. If you are taking it more seriously than that, then that is your problem, not mine. Besides, who is we? I only see you and the Spiderman guy there going on about it. Thinking you r ideology is superior to the point that is it me vs "us" is a little egotistical, is it not?

I can guarantee you that I am not the only one referring to this line as G3. There are millions of TF fans in this world. Do you think I am the only one who thinks this way? That is mathematically improbable. Just because a handful of people who do not want to let go of the past try to deem something that it is not, does not mean I am in the minority on this ideology.

[shockblast2]

It's funny how people think Hasbro is following IDW character wise, for some it's true (Swerve, Tailgate and Brainstorm) but for almost every release since wave 1 2013, if they're not already in the comics, they've been shoehorned into the story at Hasbro's request, sometimes usefully, ie Rattrap, Scoop and Windblade, but mostly as just throwaway (could be anyone) appearances like Tankor, Rhinox and Crosscut. Even Starscream and Bumblebee's new bodies are because of the Generations releases.

In fact, we didn't know Slingshotnwas already dead in fiction until long after the Hasbro Superion reveal, and so far Alpha Bravo has had a single frame cameo explaining his presence in fiction. Not exactly much time to generate a fanbase...

Ah well, so far the CW releases have been great, and I'm looking forward to future waves.

They are. Who cares what happened two years ago or more?

Live in the NOW people. Whether Hasbro "shoehorned" them in or not is irrelevant, just like Slingshot being reduced to a Post Toastie. Furthermore, if it was done just at the request of Hasbro, then that kinda defeats the argument that Slingshot will appear at US retail, because why would they have AB as a stand in at ALL? Why not just skip the retcon on Slingshot and release superion with its five original components?

[Cobotron]

Nothing JeLze. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. More options means more combining fun. I think it's great. More toys and options for everyone!

Edit: On his own, Alpha Bravo is a really great figure. It will be cool to have Slingshot for tradition, and AB to mix it up.

I can make you a Slingshot figure right now if you like. Let me have your Firefly figure. I will douse it in gasoline, light it on fire, stomp on it to put it out, and then rip its arm off. Then, you will have an accurate IDW Slingshot figure.

I see now, where we differ in ideology. You use the fiction as a bases of "how it should be". That's cool. Lot's of folks do. I personally don't, and haven't since 1984. My fiction is all in my imagination, not unlike your G3 theory. Also cool.
The main difference though is I don't try to shove it down peoples throats. It's a make believe world that is each individuals to enjoy on their own terms, and that's what makes it cool.

And no, you can't have my Firefly.

[robotmel]

I think the idea of Hasbro releasing Slingshot and Wildrider later sounds pretty awesome. That way we get proper Superion and Menesor sets, and the new guy characters can become limbs for a new combiner team. Or you know, give more options for combinations.

I just realized, Alpha Bravo is mainly white, he might actually be intended for use with Optimus Prime, to homage Energon Optimus in super mode. All we would need for that would be a fire engine limb, a drill tank limb, and a bullet train limb. But now that I think about that it sounds incredibly unlikely we'll get those, unless they make Technobots.

Hasbro you cheeky so and sos, youve managed to get a massive chunk of fandom to buy Alpha Bravo, having us think there would be no Slingshot, then BOOM you drop the S-bomb so most fans will buy again! Clever.

I will import a Slingshot for my new Superion and keep Alpha Bravo for Ultra Prime because I could see them doing the same thing for the other three Combiner Wars gestalts too!

I felt a self-quote was relevant to your post.

I dont have the confirmed names of all the new Combiner Wars gestalt members to hand but like i said, the missing/replaced/stand-in figures could well be a clever sales tactic for fans to buy the set then fill in the original guys when they are released later leaving a set of limbs for CW Optimus to hang out with!

[shockblast2]

I think the idea of Hasbro releasing Slingshot and Wildrider later sounds pretty awesome. That way we get proper Superion and Menesor sets, and the new guy characters can become limbs for a new combiner team. Or you know, give more options for combinations.

I just realized, Alpha Bravo is mainly white, he might actually be intended for use with Optimus Prime, to homage Energon Optimus in super mode. All we would need for that would be a fire engine limb, a drill tank limb, and a bullet train limb. But now that I think about that it sounds incredibly unlikely we'll get those, unless they make Technobots.

I do like the idea of a train transformer. Hopefully that will come to be one day as a new character or something. Someone else here mentioned the SWAT water tank vehicle as a possible stand in for one of Defensors components, and I liked that idea too.

[shockblast2]

Nothing JeLze. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. More options means more combining fun. I think it's great. More toys and options for everyone!

Edit: On his own, Alpha Bravo is a really great figure. It will be cool to have Slingshot for tradition, and AB to mix it up.

I can make you a Slingshot figure right now if you like. Let me have your Firefly figure. I will douse it in gasoline, light it on fire, stomp on it to put it out, and then rip its arm off. Then, you will have an accurate IDW Slingshot figure.

I see now, where we differ in ideology. You use the fiction as a bases of "how it should be". That's cool. Lot's of folks do. I personally don't, and haven't since 1984. My fiction is all in my imagination, not unlike your G3 theory. Also cool.
The main difference though is I don't try to shove it down peoples throats. It's a make believe world that is each individuals to enjoy on their own terms, and that's what makes it cool.

And no, you can't have my Firefly.

How can one literally "shove" something down one's throat? Do they tie you to a chair, pry your eyes open, and force you to watch hours of Powerpoints based on their ideology? Kinda like in Clockwork Orange. I've never done that, but if I decide to, then I will consider some of you for my experiments.... But seriously, I am honored that my OP is being considered so much. I belive mine to be valued just as much as the next guy, but evidently it held up so high that the aforementioned is said about my comments. I don't mean that in a malicious way as you are gaining the respect with me like Sabre did. By being honest and sticking to your resolve. And I like that. Thanks for supporting my ideas Cobotron.

[Cobotron]

How can one literally "shove" something down one's throat?

Live in the now! Geewun ended 30 friggin years ago!!

This is one way

tie you to a chair, pry your eyes open, and force you to watch hours of Powerpoints based on their ideology

This would probably work better.

Thanks for supporting my ideas Cobotron.

Hey man, just as long as we are all having fun with our toys, it's all good.

[william-james88]

Nothing JeLze. Absolutely nothing wrong with it. More options means more combining fun. I think it's great. More toys and options for everyone!

Edit: On his own, Alpha Bravo is a really great figure. It will be cool to have Slingshot for tradition, and AB to mix it up.

I can make you a Slingshot figure right now if you like. Let me have your Firefly figure. I will douse it in gasoline, light it on fire, stomp on it to put it out, and then rip its arm off. Then, you will have an accurate IDW Slingshot figure.

I see now, where we differ in ideology. You use the fiction as a bases of "how it should be". That's cool. Lot's of folks do. I personally don't, and haven't since 1984. My fiction is all in my imagination, not unlike your G3 theory. Also cool.
The main difference though is I don't try to shove it down peoples throats. It's a make believe world that is each individuals to enjoy on their own terms, and that's what makes it cool.

And no, you can't have my Firefly.

My head is full of fun fiction. I consider Takara's Galaxy Force as G2 for example.

[Sabrblade]

I frankly don't even know what's being debated here anymore.

The way I see it, it's cool that Takara's releasing Sling in the Unite Warriors lines, even if it's just a reuse of the Firefly mold. And if Hasbro releases their own Generations Slingshot, that's cool too. Gives us seven Aerialbots. All that remains to be seen is if Hasbro's will likewise reuse the Firefly mold or be a new mold.

As for whether Hasbro's ever released something as an exclusive that was a general release from Takara, I cannot recall any examples off the top of my head, BUT I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that something like this might have happened before, but again, I can't think of anything right now.

As for the whole "G1" (not "Geewun") thing, "Primax" is such an easier thing to work with.

[william-james88]

As for whether Hasbro's ever released something as an exclusive that was a general release from Takara, I cannot recall any examples off the top of my head, BUT I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that something like this might have happened before, but again, I can't think of anything right now.

You mean aside from all the recent MPs that were released as TRU exclusives?

[Sabrblade]

As for whether Hasbro's ever released something as an exclusive that was a general release from Takara, I cannot recall any examples off the top of my head, BUT I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that something like this might have happened before, but again, I can't think of anything right now.

You mean aside from all the recent MPs that were released as TRU exclusives?

Aside from those, yes, since that line's never been a main line in Hasbro markets.

Closest to being a main line was the original "20th Anniversary Optimus Prime" figure, but which wasn't sold under a "Masterpiece" label and was instead sold in G1-style packaging. Only recently has Hasbro finally created an actual "Transformers: Masterpiece" line for the West, but which are store exclusives only.

[Gallifreyan Autobot]

I think the idea of Hasbro releasing Slingshot and Wildrider later sounds pretty awesome. That way we get proper Superion and Menesor sets, and the new guy characters can become limbs for a new combiner team. Or you know, give more options for combinations.

I just realized, Alpha Bravo is mainly white, he might actually be intended for use with Optimus Prime, to homage Energon Optimus in super mode. All we would need for that would be a fire engine limb, a drill tank limb, and a bullet train limb. But now that I think about that it sounds incredibly unlikely we'll get those, unless they make Technobots.

why do i get the feeling what ya said is a recipe for a new version of Super Link Prime ---

since screamer and Armada Megatron have new figures ..... why not Optimus or some characters no one either cares for like Iron Hide or i dunno Sideways , Cyclonus / snow cat, Demolisher, etc get new figures

and could someone for crying out loud Give Car robots / RID2001 some attention

[Sabrblade]

and could someone for crying out loud Give Car robots / RID2001 some attention

[Wolfman Jake]

Shockblast, I don't think anyone is using Takara's release of Slingshot as proof that Hasbro is releasing Slingshot and Wildrider at some future date. They're going off of the reported computer listings from Toys 'R' Us. Granted, the info might be bogus, but it could be real. It's an expectation that's built upon not one, but multiple pieces of circumstantial evidence. Cautious optimism is warranted until we get more information.

As for Generation 1, consider that Takara has been releasing new G1 characters (or characters who never had a toy in the 80's) specifically for the original toyline through outlets like eHobby (Road Rage, Crosscut, Clamp Down, Deep Cover, Sunstorm, Hauler, etc.). Their release of Primus in 2006 was even packaged in a G1 styled box that specifically called out "Generation 1." Even if G1 is "dead and gone," it's been alive into at least this millennium, well past the "80's."

By the way, if someone were to ask a question at the Hasbro panel at the next BotCon along the lines of "Are the Classics, Universe 2008, and Generations lines supposed to be mostly updated forms for classic G1 characters" and Hasbro confirmed as such, would you then concede?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

and could someone for crying out loud Give Car robots / RID2001 some attention

That line hasn't gone unnoticed, as we already have some CR/RID-based figures, aside from Gen. Sky-Byte:

TFCC Side Burn (on the right)


BotCon 2010 Sky-Byte (on the right)


TFSS 1.0 Scourge (on the left)


Universe 2008 Predacon Bruticus (on the right)


AoE One-Step Changer Rollbar (based on X-Brawn)

[Rated X]

I call bullsh*t on this. Doesn't make sense at all.

There will be a truckload of alpha bravos waiting for you and the other five CHUG collectors who dont like GEEWUN accuracy.

What the hell is CHUG? Are you referring to that stupid, inapplicable designation created a few years back? The current Generations figures are not the same as the universe, classics, or the first year of generations. Live in the now! Geewun ended 30 friggin years ago!!


I call bullsh*t because it is a cut and paste of some text that anyone could have randomly typed up. Why create two new molds when you could just repaint two and release them? Doesn't make sense.

How many times do multiple people have to tell you "CHUG" stands for Classics Henkei United Generations. Its all the same s**t bro. Its hasbro/takaras ongoing line of throwback homages to older characters from different continuities. There is no fiction, its a damn homage line of toys. Hasbro designs them and gives em s**tty paint schemes first. Then takara repaints them better with your favorite GEEWUN accuracy. Then IDW draws the toys into their comics after they exist. And half of the people who buy these homages dont give a crap about the new comic fiction that was created to help sell toys. If you do and want to dub it as "G3" so be it. But in reality its just a bunch of old characters getting new better toys. Think of the new IDW fiction as a billboard to sell toys. But as I stated before, CHUG is just a slang for hasbro/takaras ongoing homage lines. These lines dont just contain GEEWUN inspired figures. They also contain beast wars, beast machines, armada, G2, OG RID, and WFC/FOC homages.

Also read the damn article. These listings come from a TRU computer. Yes there are fans that work for TRU and browse the upcoming product listings to provide us this information that hasbro doesnt want us to know yet.

And honestly I could care less if you buy optimus prime and 4 alpha bravos to build your own wacky combiner to protest GEEWUN homages. But you should be happy for those who are getting what they want. You dont see me complaining that youre getting a godzilla grimlock, a wolf faced robot and a bumblebee with pedophile eyebrows in your beloved RID line. You got your beast hunters, bayformers, and rescue bots. So can you stop hating and let the rest of us enjoy our GEEWUN homages ?

[Convoy]

What the hell is CHUG? Are you referring to that stupid, inapplicable designation created a few years back? The current Generations figures are not the same as the universe, classics, or the first year of generations. Live in the now! Geewun ended 30 friggin years ago!!

OMG, we found the Bizarro duragrip.

Hahahahaha!
I didn't know we were supposed to be looking!
His favorite Transformer's name must translate to,
"Worst First"

[Agamemnon]

So, wow. Heck of a lot of stuff to sift through, but I did have a comment to counter shockblast2's ascertion, though my example isn't a store exclusive, as far as I know... Here are a couple of the relevant posts, in case no one wants to go back about 6 hours and 40+ posts ago...

They do not do that historically. Did we see Senator Rat Bat? Prime Ironhide? AOE Stinger? DOTM Soundwave? RTS Rumble & Frenzy? Scores of others. Again, doesn't make sense.

However, all of those molds were made by Hasbro, even if some of them weren't released by Hasbro or weren't released in those particular decos.

We got Ratbat's mold when it was first released as Scourge, and we'll be getting the Ratbat head a TFSS Serpent O.R.
We got Prime Ironhide's mold when it was first released as Prime Sergeant Kup.
DOTM Soundwave did get released in Hasbro's Asian markets.
The Rumble/Frenzy mold was going to be released at the end of the Reveal the Shield line a "Demolition Rumble", but it got canceled even though the mold was completed. But, we did get it as TFSS Revwind and Eject (with remolded heads).

Takara might have released them, but only because Hasbro had already made them.

Thus far, Takara hasn't made any new molds or remolds for their counterpart lines of Hasbro's Generations line (meaning United, Japanese Generations, or Legends), so it's likely that Takara's Unite Warriors release of Sling will just be a straight redeco of Hasbro's Generations Firefly. But if it does have a new head, then chances are Hasbro's will as well since Hasbro (not Takara) seems to be the brains behind the Generations molds and remolds.

And who knows? Hasbro's Slingshot might just be the Firefly mold too.

So, the argument from shockblasts is that Hasbro has not released Takara specific releases as store exclusives. That may be true, as I had a similar moment as Sabrblade:

I frankly don't even know what's being debated here anymore.

The way I see it, it's cool that Takara's releasing Sling in the Unite Warriors lines, even if it's just a reuse of the Firefly mold. And if Hasbro releases their own Generations Slingshot, that's cool too. Gives us seven Aerialbots. All that remains to be seen is if Hasbro's will likewise reuse the Firefly mold or be a new mold.

As for whether Hasbro's ever released something as an exclusive that was a general release from Takara, I cannot recall any examples off the top of my head, BUT I have this nagging feeling in the back of my head that something like this might have happened before, but again, I can't think of anything right now.

As for the whole "G1" (not "Geewun") thing, "Primax" is such an easier thing to work with.

Does a regular release work as refuting the claim that Hasbro doesn't release Takara releases?




Now, I don't mean to suggest that Hasbro is definitely giving us these molds. But I think these pictures show that there is, indeed, precedence for Hasbro doing so in the past. Both Thrust and Dirge were Botcon Exclusives first (with a remolded Thrust and just a straight up repaint of Ramjet for Dirge), then Henkei releases (with a new remold for Thrust and a new remold for Dirge). I bought the Henkei because at the time the argument was that Hasbro would never release these two figures after okaying them for Botcon. Then, son-of-a-gun, the Henkei saw widespread release by Hasbro.