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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Shuttershock » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:25 am

Black Bumblebee wrote:I'm not Vortex... really... really, guys... buy me. There won't be a repaint of me coming down the line later, no sir-ee-bob...


I'm also certainly not Blades. Never even met the guy. And with some minor retooling I could be a space shuttle? Perish the thought. ;)
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sun Nov 30, 2014 2:51 am

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Yeah, this mold is going to get some heavy use. A straight repaint to make Vortex, a minor remold to make Blades (new head, replace the missiles with canons, maybe add landing bars), and a major remold for Blast Off.

Couldn't help but notice that leg mode has the foot on backwards. His knee would bend the wrong way if his foot faced that direction.

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby DMSL » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:27 am

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I am sotry but Alpha Bravo gets no love from me. The altmode just annoys the crap out of me. I still don't like this whole line either. The idea is awesome but the execution is poor. I don't understand why Hasbro is taking a step back and making less articulated figures with simplistic transformations. On top of that they lack detail and paint aps all over and have way too many hollow parts. The combined hand/foot is also not doing it for me.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby blacklai » Sun Nov 30, 2014 3:31 am

Dears Seibertron admin:
Would you please include original post link next time?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Grahf_ » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:45 am

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DMSL wrote:I am sorry but Alpha Bravo gets no love from me. The alt mode just annoys the crap out of me. I still don't like this whole line either. The idea is awesome but the execution is poor. I don't understand why Hasbro is taking a step back and making less articulated figures with simplistic transformations. On top of that they lack detail and paint aps all over and have way too many hollow parts. The combined hand/foot is also not doing it for me.



Lol what? The alt mode looks rather good actually, it's just lacking landing gear. How exactly is the execution poor? Where are people getting that these are somehow less articulated? It has a head swivel at the very least, it also has ball jointed hips and shoulders, swivels at the biceps and thighs, hinges at the knees and elbows and waist rotation. It seems to me that compared to standard deluxe figures, it has one more point of articulation and that being the waist joint and EVERY limb bot will have that. The combined modes have universal shoulders and hips, bicep swivels, double jointed elbows, wrist swivels, thumb and slight hand articulation, knee hinges and possibly thigh and waist swivels depending on the torso.

Hasbro has been doing simplified transformation for a few years now so that's nothing new. Where do you see it lacking in detail? Both robot mode and helicopter mode seem to have plenty of detail throughout. It also has a lot of paint on it. More than I've seen in a while on a deluxe actually. The entire chest is painted that color, the head and eyes are painted, the multitude of windows on the cockpit are all painted as is the underside and lets not forget the blue stripes on the sides and the missiles if they're not a separate piece to the lower arms. It also doesn't look any more hollow than Classics Astrotrain is considering it seems to transform almost the exact same way. However, I can see why people don't like the hand/foot design but I like it.

I really don't see what more people would want out of these. It they did any more to them they'd have to sell the deluxes at voyager prices and the voyagers at ultra prices. That won't work at all for Hasbro. People seem to think that they can just load up on big box figures but they can't because of how brick and mortar stores work their shelving spaces out. They'd never be able to sell two combiners at eight voyagers and two ultra/leader/weaponizers/whateverthey'recallednow. They just don't have the same luxuries that third party companies have but at the same time they have more in other areas. It's just that the less luxuries they have mean that they can't get every single figure perfect every single time. Some shortcuts and cost cutting measures need to be taken in order for Hasbro to continue to do anything. The funny thing though is that I don't see many cost cutting measures with these new combiner wars figures. They really do look great.

Are people still just hating on this guy simply because he's not Slingshot? Get over it already. Hasbro has every right to change and evolve their brand and characters. If you want a Superion that looks 100% like G1 Superion, then just buy yourself a G1 Superion already and shut up about it already. I typed it on another site and someone typed something similar here as well that one of the reasons they've changed one jet into a helicopter and one car into an suv was because parents, the main people buying these, won't understand or want to buy four almost identical toys just for one combiner they might not even know or care about. It's also why they're not selling complete combiner teams at the same time. They're changing the alt modes and colors up enough to make them more appealing on the shelves. They have to think of these as standalone figures because of how their main buyers think. They seemed to have learned their lesson from the movies where they were selling the same alt modes, colors and names every wave and they weren't selling at all by the time the third movie came out. Parents were just tired of buying what they thought was the same toys over and over and over and over and over again.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:49 am

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Nov 30, 2014 4:52 am

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I actually like the idea of a retool into Blast - off (and not just because I love space shuttles).

Also DMSL these look quite articulated to me and they do the job they need to. Could they do and be better? Well that's subjective. You think they could I don't, not at this price point anyway. Also simplistic transformations? Don't forget the target audience who will want to transform these into limb mode as soon as possible.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:02 am

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Alpha Weltall wrote:
DMSL wrote:I am sorry but Alpha Bravo gets no love from me. The alt mode just annoys the crap out of me. I still don't like this whole line either. The idea is awesome but the execution is poor. I don't understand why Hasbro is taking a step back and making less articulated figures with simplistic transformations. On top of that they lack detail and paint aps all over and have way too many hollow parts. The combined hand/foot is also not doing it for me.



Lol what? The alt mode looks rather good actually, it's just lacking landing gear. How exactly is the execution poor? Where are people getting that these are somehow less articulated? It has a head swivel at the very least, it also has ball jointed hips and shoulders, swivels at the biceps and thighs, hinges at the knees and elbows and waist rotation. It seems to me that compared to standard deluxe figures, it has one more point of articulation and that being the waist joint and EVERY limb bot will have that. The combined modes have universal shoulders and hips, bicep swivels, double jointed elbows, wrist swivels, thumb and slight hand articulation, knee hinges and possibly thigh and waist swivels depending on the torso.

Hasbro has been doing simplified transformation for a few years now so that's nothing new. Where do you see it lacking in detail? Both robot mode and helicopter mode seem to have plenty of detail throughout. It also has a lot of paint on it. More than I've seen in a while on a deluxe actually. The entire chest is painted that color, the head and eyes are painted, the multitude of windows on the cockpit are all painted as is the underside and lets not forget the blue stripes on the sides and the missiles if they're not a separate piece to the lower arms. It also doesn't look any more hollow than Classics Astrotrain is considering it seems to transform almost the exact same way. However, I can see why people don't like the hand/foot design but I like it.

I really don't see what more people would want out of these. It they did any more to them they'd have to sell the deluxes at voyager prices and the voyagers at ultra prices. That won't work at all for Hasbro. People seem to think that they can just load up on big box figures but they can't because of how brick and mortar stores work their shelving spaces out. They'd never be able to sell two combiners at eight voyagers and two ultra/leader/weaponizers/whateverthey'recallednow. They just don't have the same luxuries that third party companies have but at the same time they have more in other areas. It's just that the less luxuries they have mean that they can't get every single figure perfect every single time. Some shortcuts and cost cutting measures need to be taken in order for Hasbro to continue to do anything. The funny thing though is that I don't see many cost cutting measures with these new combiner wars figures. They really do look great.

Are people still just hating on this guy simply because he's not Slingshot? Get over it already. Hasbro has every right to change and evolve their brand and characters. If you want a Superion that looks 100% like G1 Superion, then just buy yourself a G1 Superion already and shut up about it already. I typed it on another site and someone typed something similar here as well that one of the reasons they've changed one jet into a helicopter and one car into an suv was because parents, the main people buying these, won't understand or want to buy four almost identical toys just for one combiner they might not even know or care about. It's also why they're not selling complete combiner teams at the same time. They're changing the alt modes and colors up enough to make them more appealing on the shelves. They have to think of these as standalone figures because of how their main buyers think. They seemed to have learned their lesson from the movies where they were selling the same alt modes, colors and names every wave and they weren't selling at all by the time the third movie came out. Parents were just tired of buying what they thought was the same toys over and over and over and over and over again.

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby noctorro » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:08 am

Black Bumblebee wrote:I'm not Vortex... really... really, guys... buy me. There won't be a repaint of me coming down the line later, no sir-ee-bob...


I don't care if they mix/match a Bruticus (Onslaught is a truck).
And if they repaint the Stunticons into that Autobot combiner with Optimus, like that G1 episode.

I'd buy those 2 repaint sets just as hard as I'm going to buy the first two combiner sets.

Altmode looks good, robot mode great and combiner mode also very good!

I'm all in, Combiner Wars is pure win!

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby wilcosu35 » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:22 am

i won't be buying these, but i have to say, they look quite nice :)
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Sun Nov 30, 2014 5:33 am

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Noctorro wrote:I'm all in, Combiner Wars is pure win!

If it rhymes it has to be correct, amirite?

You are correct sir but by rhyming you make me think you're G1 Wheelie trapped in our dimension :P
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby noctorro » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:00 am

Haha ZeroWolf,

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Lockdownhunter » Sun Nov 30, 2014 6:25 am

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:00 am

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Sabrblade wrote:^ Some might also feel spoiled by third party combiners.


Or they might be thinking "I spent all that money to get those combiners, while I could have waited all these years and gotten them cheaper?!" :BANG_HEAD:

At any rate, I'm a helicopter nut, so Alpha Bravo will be in my collection when I see him. Now all we need is a standalone Slingshot/Quickslinger, maybe as a repaint.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Sun Nov 30, 2014 7:37 am

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blacklai wrote:Dears Seibertron admin:
Would you please include original post link next time?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby shajaki » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:16 am

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Sabrblade wrote:^ Some might also feel spoiled by third party combiners.
im spoiled by 3P combiners. but even i can see how great these are. ill be buyin the hell out of CW's!

as far as AB goes, he looks awesome! to me he's just slingshot with different kibble. would i like him to be a jet? sure! but it wont stop me from appreciating him.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Maximo » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:37 am

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He seems to have some pretty good balance to be able to pull,off that pose in the third pic. Or am I missing some kind of stande here?
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Destron » Sun Nov 30, 2014 9:39 am

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Ahhh yes HasTak again another aircraft TF with no landing gear. #-o Would it have killed you to have given Alpha Bravo some sort of landing gear molded on or retracting or was that too costly? My sincerest apologies if I'm assuming and its just not visible.

At any rate what we have seen so far is awesome stuff and consider this and others so far "sold" in my book. :APPLAUSE: :VEHI:
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Nisus » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:07 am

Nemesis Maximo wrote:He seems to have some pretty good balance to be able to pull,off that pose in the third pic. Or am I missing some kind of stande here?


Agreed. At first, I thought maybe they used one of his rotor blades as a makeshift stand.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby megatronus » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:14 am

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As with Dragstrip, I'm impressed with Alpha Bravo. Can't wait for these to appear in the US!
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby DMSL » Sun Nov 30, 2014 10:31 am

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DMSL wrote:I am sorry but Alpha Bravo gets no love from me. The alt mode just annoys the crap out of me. I still don't like this whole line either. The idea is awesome but the execution is poor. I don't understand why Hasbro is taking a step back and making less articulated figures with simplistic transformations. On top of that they lack detail and paint aps all over and have way too many hollow parts. The combined hand/foot is also not doing it for me.



Lol what? The alt mode looks rather good actually, it's just lacking landing gear. How exactly is the execution poor? Where are people getting that these are somehow less articulated? It has a head swivel at the very least, it also has ball jointed hips and shoulders, swivels at the biceps and thighs, hinges at the knees and elbows and waist rotation. It seems to me that compared to standard deluxe figures, it has one more point of articulation and that being the waist joint and EVERY limb bot will have that. The combined modes have universal shoulders and hips, bicep swivels, double jointed elbows, wrist swivels, thumb and slight hand articulation, knee hinges and possibly thigh and waist swivels depending on the torso.

Hasbro has been doing simplified transformation for a few years now so that's nothing new. Where do you see it lacking in detail? Both robot mode and helicopter mode seem to have plenty of detail throughout. It also has a lot of paint on it. More than I've seen in a while on a deluxe actually. The entire chest is painted that color, the head and eyes are painted, the multitude of windows on the cockpit are all painted as is the underside and lets not forget the blue stripes on the sides and the missiles if they're not a separate piece to the lower arms. It also doesn't look any more hollow than Classics Astrotrain is considering it seems to transform almost the exact same way. However, I can see why people don't like the hand/foot design but I like it.

I really don't see what more people would want out of these. It they did any more to them they'd have to sell the deluxes at voyager prices and the voyagers at ultra prices. That won't work at all for Hasbro. People seem to think that they can just load up on big box figures but they can't because of how brick and mortar stores work their shelving spaces out. They'd never be able to sell two combiners at eight voyagers and two ultra/leader/weaponizers/whateverthey'recallednow. They just don't have the same luxuries that third party companies have but at the same time they have more in other areas. It's just that the less luxuries they have mean that they can't get every single figure perfect every single time. Some shortcuts and cost cutting measures need to be taken in order for Hasbro to continue to do anything. The funny thing though is that I don't see many cost cutting measures with these new combiner wars figures. They really do look great.

Are people still just hating on this guy simply because he's not Slingshot? Get over it already. Hasbro has every right to change and evolve their brand and characters. If you want a Superion that looks 100% like G1 Superion, then just buy yourself a G1 Superion already and shut up about it already. I typed it on another site and someone typed something similar here as well that one of the reasons they've changed one jet into a helicopter and one car into an suv was because parents, the main people buying these, won't understand or want to buy four almost identical toys just for one combiner they might not even know or care about. It's also why they're not selling complete combiner teams at the same time. They're changing the alt modes and colors up enough to make them more appealing on the shelves. They have to think of these as standalone figures because of how their main buyers think. They seemed to have learned their lesson from the movies where they were selling the same alt modes, colors and names every wave and they weren't selling at all by the time the third movie came out. Parents were just tired of buying what they thought was the same toys over and over and over and over and over again.


It's called an opinion mate.

I loved G1 and if they make classics versions i want them to be as close as possible. A team of planes with one helicopter makes no sense to me.

The figures look bland compared to much of the other classic figures. As i see it, there is a lot of room for detail, painted or sculpted. The hollow parts just look awful and most if not all have them.

I just think Hasbro could have done a much better job with these.

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Emerje » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:36 am

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The way I see it what we're getting now is pretty much in line with original Classics and I'm perfectly fine with that. As pointed out, Alpha Bravo's transformation is close to Astrotrain's while Dragstrip isn't that far off from Hot Rod. Yes, they're a step back from the puzzlebots we were used to for a while, but they aren't outside of what we've seen in CHUG in the past. And they're definitely a huge leap forwards from the FoC Combaticons.

Got to thinking, the upcoming Hot Spot and Onslaught figures will probably share the same basic molds.

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Hero Alpha » Sun Nov 30, 2014 11:44 am

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I'm not seeing how these are all that simple and lack articulation. Only thing they could add to me would be wrist swivels, maybe forearm but that's being picky. I am holding off on Superion but Menasor is my favorite combiner so I am really happy with the first figures from CW. Alpha Bravo looks pretty sweet though and when he is repainted as Vortex he is bought, even Blast-Off if that happens.I don't own any 3rd party combiners as they are too expensive for me. I'm not against 3rd party stuff though I have a Sharkticon and almost bought Code/Function/Chromedome or whatever his name was before they announced TFCC IDW Chromedome.
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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby griftimus prime » Sun Nov 30, 2014 12:13 pm

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Re: Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Discussion Thread

Postby Noideaforaname » Sun Nov 30, 2014 1:26 pm

Something seems off about the helicopter mode, but I can't quite put my finger on it.
Missing wings or something?
Looking too much like it's trying to also be a space shuttle?
Too back heavy, with what are rather clearly the robot arms sticking out back there right next to the large stabilizer-wing things?
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