Caelus wrote:I'm trying to imagine myself in Prime's shoes, regarding the Demolisher thing, and appreciating that a lot depends on where you're fighting your battle. Fighting Decepticons on Cybertron, where you are the boss, is very different from fighting a war in diaspora. See, this is how I'm imagining it:
I'm stranded on a planet of sentient hamsters, who've cautiously agreed to cooperate with me provided we round up all of our mutual enemies, kill them, and dump them in the deepest, darkest part of their ocean. They haven't offered space or resources for holding enemies captive - the agreement is, kill them, or don't work with us.
So then we corner one of our mutual enemies...
Prime weighs roughly 15,000 lbs as a Peterbilt 379, while Demolisher would come in at 1,778,000 lbs as a Bucyrus RH400 mining excavator. So Demolisher is roughly 120 times larger than Prime. Relatively speaking, this would be like me holding a monstrosity that weighs over 30,000 lbs at gun point - a beast *twice* the size of a Tyrannosaurus Rex.
So, I'm standing here, staring down a Super-T-Rex with my shotgun, surrounded by clamoring blood thirsty hamsters, and I have to consider - that Super-T-Rex has God only knows what else hidden inside him - a concealed machine gun? Probably. Hidden blades? Almost certainly. A swarm of hamster-sized death bots? Not unheard of. A slightly less intimidating, slightly smaller version of himself? My best friends got one of those, so why not? A spacebridge that can teleport the entire Decepticon army to his location? Stretching credibility, but it's happened. A wireless communication device housed deep in his brain? Don't we all?
So I'm thinking, I /could/ drag this super-T-Rex back to the tiny, squishy yet surprisingly vicious hamsters' secret labs, where they can vivisect him, crawl inside him, and /then/ find out what nasty things are inside him. Or I can shoot him, once in the face, and be done with it.
I'll admit, I'd be leaning towards the lesser of two evils... especially if I were Demolisher.
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Auditioning with director Michael Bay for the role of Optimus Prime in 2007’s live-action movie adaptation of the beloved animated series “Transformers,” Canadian-born vocal artist Peter Cullen was aware that his previous accomplishments hardly guaranteed his place in a big-budget Hollywood movie.
“It’s kind of surreal to audition for a character that you basically created,” said Cullen, who originated the Autobot’s stentorian voice in TV performances from 1984 to ‘87. “But I didn’t expect Michael to know what I knew about ‘Transformers.’ I was ready for anything.”
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Contractually obligated to continue voicing Optimus in at least two more “Transformers” sequels, Cullen has no plans to retire his robot-in-disguise alter ego anytime soon. Moreover, having based the characterization on his older brother, a decorated Marine Corps officer who served in Vietnam, the actor feels a sense of responsibility to the franchise’s faithful.
“My brother said, ‘Peter, be a real hero. Don’t do all the bravado stuff and pretend to be tough. Be strong enough to be gentle. Be understanding — and calm,’” Cullen said. “When I began the audition, his voice came right out. I read the lines the way I could hear my brother doing it.
“Now, maintaining those characteristics — courage, trustworthiness, integrity, loyalty — you’re responsible for something to the kids who watch Optimus Prime. I want to be a positive influence rather than just fighting and sock, bang, boom!”
T-Macksimus wrote:How quaint that y'all seem to think that Optimus should be portrayed on a God-like level and that you think Cullen is doing his brother a disservice by giving voice to Bays version. The simple fact of the matter is that Bayverse Optimus is more like what a Marine would be but what some of you are failing to take into account is that you are projecting your idealized versions onto a being stuck in "real world" situations. You have the lives of your troops in your hands and the lives of billions of innocents hanging on the razors edge of your every decision AND you are outnumbered. The black and white decisions that you think Optimus should be making are no longer so "black and white", they carry the most dire of consequences. It's not about rushing in and kicking ass, you sometimes have to wait, pick your battles and carry the burden of having to decide what are "acceptable losses' and what or who must sacrificed in the short term to achieve your ultimate goal in the long term. That's a combat leaders role: Making the best you can of an absolutely f'd up situation.
Look at the motto on the original G1 Huffers' bio: "Nobody wins a war... somebody loses!" Leadership in a military situation, at least for a leader who is actually out there in the field watching his men fight and die, is like living in the first level of Hell itself, every decision torturing you, the whole world weighing down on you and you have to make choices at the speed of light, oftentimes with limited intel.
So please...tell me again how you think you boys have the right to dictate how Prime should be or whether or not you think Peter is doing a disservice to his brother. I'd really like to see the Generals Stars on any of your shoulders that tell me that you have a better perspective on the situation than myself, Cullen or any active duty military personnel who have been in combat situations.
The Movie Prime may not be the hyper-optimistic G1 version we enjoyed as children but at least this one is closer to reality than the original. It's a screwed up world we live in and instead of giving a kid an unrealistic perspective, this Prime is showing that the world is cruel, it hurts and it's out to kill you but be patient, don't lose hope or faith in yourself and you will overcome what it throws at you. For being a giant alien robot, this Prime is remarkably "human" and that's all thanks to what Peter has projected into the character.
Moonshot wrote:T-Macksimus wrote:How quaint that y'all seem to think that Optimus should be portrayed on a God-like level and that you think Cullen is doing his brother a disservice by giving voice to Bays version. The simple fact of the matter is that Bayverse Optimus is more like what a Marine would be but what some of you are failing to take into account is that you are projecting your idealized versions onto a being stuck in "real world" situations. You have the lives of your troops in your hands and the lives of billions of innocents hanging on the razors edge of your every decision AND you are outnumbered. The black and white decisions that you think Optimus should be making are no longer so "black and white", they carry the most dire of consequences. It's not about rushing in and kicking ass, you sometimes have to wait, pick your battles and carry the burden of having to decide what are "acceptable losses' and what or who must sacrificed in the short term to achieve your ultimate goal in the long term. That's a combat leaders role: Making the best you can of an absolutely f'd up situation.
Look at the motto on the original G1 Huffers' bio: "Nobody wins a war... somebody loses!" Leadership in a military situation, at least for a leader who is actually out there in the field watching his men fight and die, is like living in the first level of Hell itself, every decision torturing you, the whole world weighing down on you and you have to make choices at the speed of light, oftentimes with limited intel.
So please...tell me again how you think you boys have the right to dictate how Prime should be or whether or not you think Peter is doing a disservice to his brother. I'd really like to see the Generals Stars on any of your shoulders that tell me that you have a better perspective on the situation than myself, Cullen or any active duty military personnel who have been in combat situations.
The Movie Prime may not be the hyper-optimistic G1 version we enjoyed as children but at least this one is closer to reality than the original. It's a screwed up world we live in and instead of giving a kid an unrealistic perspective, this Prime is showing that the world is cruel, it hurts and it's out to kill you but be patient, don't lose hope or faith in yourself and you will overcome what it throws at you. For being a giant alien robot, this Prime is remarkably "human" and that's all thanks to what Peter has projected into the character.
As a army veteran, original G1 fan and someone who enjoys the movies, I have to agree with everything you said, well put.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
I Belive that Megatron in Animated was exequted shortly after series finale. Why? It is simple, For Autobots he is nothing more than a common thug. He is maybe powerfull and cunning, but he is'nt a real threat for Autobots. There is no army ready to follow him, and he can't be portrayed as a martyr. So there is no reason to spare him....Sabrblade wrote:
Lots of people point to the season finale of Animated as an example of how Optimus should act in the movies, in which he chose to take a defenseless Megatron prisoner rather than killing him since "That would be the easy way out." In a perfect world, yes, this would be a more ideal way to depict Optimus in the films.
You called main protagonist killing anything (including things obvoiusly more powerfull than him) on sight just because he is main protagonist "realistic"? I quess Rambo is a historical documentary movie for you...Sabrblade wrote:The movies attempt to portray realistic warfare scenarios that
TurboMMaster wrote:I Belive that Megatron in Animated was exequted shortly after series finale.
Va'al wrote:I keep track of everyone. Backwards.
There are atandarfs to maintain.
LOST Cybertronian wrote:Hey, If Mindmaster survived then you should do just fine.
You must have missed the keyword in that sentence I wrote: "]The movies attempt to portray realistic warfare scenarios..."TurboMMaster wrote:You called main protagonist killing anything (including things obvoiusly more powerfull than him) on sight just because he is main protagonist "realistic"? I quess Rambo is a historical documentary movie for you...Sabrblade wrote:The movies attempt to portray realistic warfare scenarios that
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Then they failed so miserably, that it is even hard to notice... But realism never was a strong part of Franchise: remember that this is all about giant robot from other planet.Sabrblade wrote:They TRY to make it realistic. I never said they succeed, but nor did I say that they fail to, either. All I said was that they try for realism, which is true.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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