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Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:16 am

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noctorro wrote:Thoughts -:
The cg looks bad guys, it might be Youtube doesn't fully show the crispness, but it just looks like Transformers 4 Lockdown transforming from car to robot for the first time. This can be a Marvel thing (rushing the digital artists to death) or budget restraints. Hopefully it looks better onscreen. If it doesn't I still wouldn't hold it against them, they shove in a lot of cg battles and bots.


I'm told IL&M are not behind this film. Which I think is quite evident from the trailer.


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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Unicron is risky though. He's usually been the final act of a Transformers story. Alternatively, the whole idea is to keep him dormant to mitigate those stakes.


Unicron is boring because he's barely a character and more like a Transforming Death Star most of the time, I kinda hope he's not just killed off here and is instead more of a multi-film villain who can actually be his own character.


That's just it. Ever since '86, he's been a plot device. Even the Marvel Run, which gave the G1 iteration additional storylines. Didn't really make his characterisation that deep. I don't see this film veering too far from his classic depictions, to be honest.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby noctorro » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:18 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Unicron is risky though. He's usually been the final act of a Transformers story. Alternatively, the whole idea is to keep him dormant to mitigate those stakes.


I feelz this way to. You cannot go grander than Unicron.
You skip city bots who are insanely big and they haven't done a decent normal combiner (I don't count brainless gorilla Devastator who's defeated by 2 minibots and a manmade gun a combiner and that shapeless black vomit demon dude... no)

It's like modern writers are either dumb as a brick, or the studios hold their spouse at gunpoint.
Doctor Strange 2's threat was Wanda inslaving the entire MULTIVERSE, that means not just earth, not just all the planets and known intelligent species that could exist including freaking Celestials. But that times infinity because 1 box from russia who's just a mutant I think has that insane amount of power. Makes you think why she didn't just turn Thanos inside out the moment she saw him.

As a writer you create tension, setups and payoffs. And with sequel movies you gradually raise the stakes, some heroes die, greater villains arrise untill you come to the conclusion of that story/universe with the biggest bad and after that you stop making the damn movies.

It could be (though I doubt it) that this movie is written very competently and intelligent and that it completely fits that Unicron is already shown. Maybe he doesn't reach earth yet, maybe there's something behind Unicron that's an even bigger threat. Maybe earth is f*cked and the good guys lose and somehow they have te rebuild lateron (please.. .. please don't timetravel to negate the epic win of the badguys).

Anyway I'm not going for a fresh, intelligent sci fi story, I'm going for Transformers, fun characters and cool stylish battles. And then buy the mainline toys and fill the cast with studio series if need be.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:20 am

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noctorro wrote:maybe there's something behind Unicron that's an even bigger threat.



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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby noctorro » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:24 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
I'm told IL&M are not behind this film. Which I think is quite evident from the trailer.


Unicron is boring because he's barely a character and more like a Transforming Death Star most of the time, I kinda hope he's not just killed off here and is instead more of a multi-film villain who can actually be his own character.


That's just it. Ever since '86, he's been a plot device. Even the Marvel Run, which gave the G1 iteration additional storylines. Didn't really make his characterisation that deep. I don't see this film veering too far from his classic depictions, to be honest.[/quote]

First part: Ahaa, I didn't know that about switching studios. Lets keep our fingers crossed for the film.

Second part: Yes I agree, he's cool only because he's planet sized and looks cool. He hasn't been a character from what I can tell. He just eats planets and dies.

They could do so much with Unicron, I love Armada's iteration of Unicron the best (there aren't many). From what I member that Unicron got so powerfull because of species being at war with each other constantly in horrific ways. And he lost part of his power/went dormant as soon as the Autobots and Decepticions had a seize fire. And Unicron created the Minicons as cute innocent creatures just to powerup the warmongering Transformers and abuse them so more hate/destruction=food for that Unicron.

I think you can do pretty deep stuff with Unicron in short.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby King Kuuga » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:26 am

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Lorenzo and Paramount can call it whatever they wants. This is a rebooted continuity unless they bend over backwards to try to connect Unicron to the end of TLK. And I'm fine with that. It's not like this franchise is famous for strict continuity adherence between entries. It looks like a big loud action-packed Transformers movie. As long as there's none of the awful stuff from AOE or TLK then I'm here for it.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:28 am

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
noctorro wrote:maybe there's something behind Unicron that's an even bigger threat.



:???:



Um...Liege Maximo

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Er how about Tornedron and Primacron?


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Unicron's really the limit which is again why he should hopefully not be dealt with in 1 film, or technically 2 if he's the same as TLK Unicron.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby noctorro » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:28 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
noctorro wrote:maybe there's something behind Unicron that's an even bigger threat.



:???:


According to Geewun, the cartoon. There was this skinny robot scientist who created Unicron out of boredom and after that some glow in the dark dragon.
Which means Unicron has a bot-made origin. Now if you give that dude insane powers or intelect that could be an interesting villain.
With a smaller scale destruction but more emotional? Maybe his second plan is to create that red glowing everybody hates and kills each other virus from one of the g1 episodes.
I think a bigger threat then a planet eater feelz wise could be that all the known characters good & bad get infected and helplessly start killing each other and humans around them. Threat just as intense but on a different level.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:34 am

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There's really only one thing in Transformers lore that's worse than Unicron, but its something rather obscure and is even less of a character than Unicron, basically just a mindless animal: the Beast of Time known as The Hytherion.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:40 am

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Sabrblade wrote:There's really only one thing in Transformers lore that's worse than Unicron, but its something rather obscure and is even less of a character than Unicron, basically just a mindless animal: the Beast of Time known as The Hytherion.



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Had a quick read. That seems far too high concept for these films...
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:45 am

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Sabrblade wrote:There's really only one thing in Transformers lore that's worse than Unicron, but its something rather obscure and is even less of a character than Unicron, basically just a mindless animal: the Beast of Time known as The Hytherion.



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Had a quick read. That seems far too high concept for these films...
Yeah, it's more of an abstract entity closer to something Lovecraftian than the much more basic concept of Robot Satan that Unicron has going for him.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 11:45 am

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We're more likely to get a one-up on The Last Knight's Transformers History stuff by involving the actual God and Satan from the Bible than we'll ever get anything like that.
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Postby william-james88 » Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:42 pm

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To follow up on the big reveals from today's trailer, we now know that Unicron will be played by Colman Domingo. Colman Domingo is a well known stage actor and is excited to play the character. Here is one of the sources for this news: https://www.facebook.com/transformersmo ... swdQ0&_rdr

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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:55 pm

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He sounds like a


Coolman


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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Brokebot » Thu Apr 27, 2023 12:59 pm

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Re: Colman Domingo Revealed to Play Unicron in Transformers Rise of the Beasts

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:11 pm

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william-james88 wrote: Colman Domingo

So, are you familiar with this actor? Are you excited about Unicron being in the film?


I had a look and remember him from Candyman (2021). Unfortunately that was a really boring remake. So not a great measure of his ability, I'm sure. As long as he makes the role his own and doesn't try to imitate Orson Welles, that will be good enough.
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Re: Colman Domingo Revealed to Play Unicron in Transformers Rise of the Beasts

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:13 pm

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william-james88 wrote: Colman Domingo

So, are you familiar with this actor? Are you excited about Unicron being in the film?


I had a look and remember him from Candyman (2021). Unfortunately that was a really boring remake. So not a great measure of his ability, I'm sure. As long as he makes the role his own and doesn't try to imitate Orson Welles, that will be good enough.
Not like Orson Welles's Unicron ever really sounded like Orson Welles to begin with.
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Re: Colman Domingo Revealed to Play Unicron in Transformers Rise of the Beasts

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:16 pm

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AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
william-james88 wrote: Colman Domingo

So, are you familiar with this actor? Are you excited about Unicron being in the film?


I had a look and remember him from Candyman (2021). Unfortunately that was a really boring remake. So not a great measure of his ability, I'm sure. As long as he makes the role his own and doesn't try to imitate Orson Welles, that will be good enough.
Not like Orson Welles's Unicron ever really sounded like Orson Welles to begin with.


True enough but, you know. How many Starscreams have we had over the years that have tried to be Chris Latta? etc, etc

BW (UT, by extension) and Animated have been the only times we've been given unique Optimus and Megatron, for example.
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Re: Colman Domingo Revealed to Play Unicron in Transformers Rise of the Beasts

Postby Sabrblade » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:27 pm

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william-james88 wrote: Colman Domingo

So, are you familiar with this actor? Are you excited about Unicron being in the film?


I had a look and remember him from Candyman (2021). Unfortunately that was a really boring remake. So not a great measure of his ability, I'm sure. As long as he makes the role his own and doesn't try to imitate Orson Welles, that will be good enough.
Not like Orson Welles's Unicron ever really sounded like Orson Welles to begin with.


True enough but, you know. How many Starscreams have we had over the years that have tried to be Chris Latta? etc, etc
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:38 pm

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I would say the WFC/FOC games at the least also attempted that type of voice for Starscream.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby bluecatcinema » Thu Apr 27, 2023 1:42 pm

Well, this was a big surprise. Unicron is coming, and his design is awesome.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:39 pm

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Hey, he has the ears! You're all happy now, right? :D

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Honestly though, this trailer looks amazing, I love the robot action, I actually like Mirage, and I'm surprised it's not just Optimus Primal doing the talking but the fact that we still see no robot modes for the other Maximals feels weird.

Overall, I'm kinda partially disappointed because I was hoping they would, you know, try with the story. I still might be surprised, but after hearing that the producers confirmed that this is a direct prequel to the movie series that ended with the revelation that Unicron IS Earth and has been Earth for billions of years, only for this movie to say that Unicron hasn't even been to Earth yet, doesn't give me good feels.

I want it to be good, I hope I'm just being pissy. However I'll wait until there's a dvd release.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:42 pm

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Maybe we are missing context for this shot. But I think, given the WW2 BB stuff is impossible since the BB movie. It's likely you can forget anything "canon" to TLK at least.
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:48 pm

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Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Honestly though, this trailer looks amazing, I love the robot action, I actually like Mirage, and I'm surprised it's not just Optimus Primal doing the talking but the fact that we still see no robot modes for the other Maximals feels weird.


We saw Cheetor and Rhinox's in the background of the first trailer.

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There's a better shot of Rhinox's robot mode Render that I saw a couple days ago on some marketing thing or something but I couldn't remember where I saw it.

Ah yeah and there's also these using their movie models


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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Thu Apr 27, 2023 2:53 pm

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Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:Honestly though, this trailer looks amazing, I love the robot action, I actually like Mirage, and I'm surprised it's not just Optimus Primal doing the talking but the fact that we still see no robot modes for the other Maximals feels weird.


We saw Cheetor and Rhinox's in the background of the first trailer.

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There's a better shot of Rhinox's robot mode Render that I saw a couple days ago on some marketing thing or something but I couldn't remember where I saw it.

Ah yeah and there's also these using their movie models


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Never caught those in the teaser, and haven't seen those animations before. Neat!
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Re: Transformers 7: Rise of the Beasts Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Thu Apr 27, 2023 3:27 pm

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o.supreme wrote:Spoiler: the end of the movie has Unicron getting sucked into the Earth. The sucking unfortunately takes all the Beast TFs with it and has an unexpected time warp in that he got sucked back to when earth was Pangaea.Also the sucking has an amnesiatic side effect on all humans and Transformers on earth. This why in TLK, Prime had no idea Earth was Unicron.

There all fixed 8-}
So you're just saying what I've known since the director's 1st interview: this is going to suck. A lot.
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