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i was wrong on the ROTF release date -- was actually June 24th or 26th, 2009. So they made their July 4th deadline.
I don't agree with this, but you have a point that the studio decided to go ahead and make the film even with an incomplete script, so they wouldn't have to halt b/c of the strike. There was no need to have 3 blockbusters out that summer anyway --boils down to pure greed on the part of Paramount. This pisses me off b/c so many other franchises have been done correctly (and some poorly); and they didn't take the time & care to make TF2 the best it could possibly be by waiting to shoot with a better script. Such an insult to fans, esp. older fans.
No 3D for TF3!!!

vectorA3 wrote: Such an insult to fans, esp. older fans.
No 3D for TF3!!!

Well said! But it proves that they don't give a stuff about fans, esp. older fans, they only care about people who will fork out ca$h to see the movie, and the merch, and the food related merch and then, more merch, and more movies etc... if you happen to be one of those people AND an older fan, well then maybe you're opinion counts for something, but not much! Only in so far as if it means you wont buy the stuff. Thats why stuff like a mass-shifting tape deck and gun can go by the way-side, the point can be made with a bizzare mangled tank, and a strange satellite, and TADAA! Look we are placating fans by using the same name! No REALLY!

You're right, it IS greed, which is commerce, so we aren't getting away from that, but what I think most disgruntled fans are more worried about, and this is my opinion now, is the sheer laziness and lies that forms the basis for justifying lame outcomes like bizzare mangled tanks, strange satellites, flames on Optimus, non-transforming transformers etc etc. /rant

But on-topic now... Bay seems concerned about what 3D will do to his movie, because it will eat into his profits, not because he want's to remain true to his art form, which is still valid, but it really comes down to "Someone will ruin my movie in a process that I have no control of and it'll cost me/the movie lots of money", pretty petulant stuff if you ask me, but then this is a business that rates success in the form of a large return on investment.

u said it even better than me. The flames on Optimus don't bother me really, and I understand that they can't port EVERYTHING over from 80's G1 into today b/c this is 25 yrs. later, but they could at least try harder. Some of this stuff, they've taken the easy way out on, and H has given Paramount & Bay too much leeway. But H is trying to get a foothold in Hollywood and has to make some compromises I guess --to our dismay. I wouldn't b^&$#$ half as much if it were a different director doing things and messing them up. Bay is good at what he does, but his complacent attitude when countering fan arguments pisses me off. Listen to the fans, your wallet will still be fat at the end of the day. We know what we're talkin about, we've been fans for 26+ yrs.

vectorA3 wrote:u said it even better than me. The flames on Optimus don't bother me really, and I understand that they can't port EVERYTHING over from 80's G1 into today b/c this is 25 yrs. later, but they could at least try harder. Some of this stuff, they've taken the easy way out on, and H has given Paramount & Bay too much leeway. But H is trying to get a foothold in Hollywood and has to make some compromises I guess --to our dismay. I wouldn't b^&$#$ half as much if it were a different director doing things and messing them up. Bay is good at what he does, but his complacent attitude when countering fan arguments pisses me off. Listen to the fans, your wallet will still be fat at the end of the day. We know what we're talkin about, we've been fans for 26+ yrs.

True, but thats just it, as far as making successful Hollywood films, as Transformers fans apparently WE DON'T know what we are talking about(no disrespect). If I'm to generalize the fandom (dangerous ), we want seemingly unfilmable, or not shocking/interesting/groin-stimulating things in our TF movies. Like mass shifting tape decks and hand held weapons, horribly nerdy references to weird characters etc... The stuff thats in the movies are all things that are meant to get people to sit up and take notice, sweaty bronzed nubile youngsters, shouting army guys with chiseled jaw-lines, even bizarre and sometimes frightening things like leg humping small robots, John Turturros ass, borderline racism and of course large loud explosions, to name but a few.

But Bay is hardly going to ruin the franchise, he's made it far more well known than it was before 2007, I can't tell you how much TF branding I see nowadays in the most unlikely of places, as I'm sure you all do now. What he HAS DONE is change it substantially. For me, I'm just completely dry on the movie designs, they just don't do it for me, and even my two kids (6 and 3 y/o) look at them strangely, even the fabs/battle bashers(!?) whatevers etc that are supposedly made for their age group, but maybe it's their discerning dads influence on them
...

So if 3D is the latest gimmick, based on all the stuff I just said, it will probably surprise the masses out there that it isn't an option by the time the 3rd movie is out, which MAY hurt Bays bottom line, who knows? Time will tell...

If another director made the movies & they were successful, those would've raised the public consciousness of TF definitely. I don't think bay did more than anyone else would. The off-the-wall stuff you mentioned Bay threw into ROTF - is not in the spirit of TF & did not need to be used to sell it.
All i want for TF3 is to be as good as the first film or better. 3D is too gimmicky and unnecessary at this point. Just because you CAN make something 3D doesn't mean you have to.

vectorA3 wrote:If another director made the movies & they were successful, those would've raised the public consciousness of TF definitely. I don't think bay did more than anyone else would.

I'm curious as to who would be the other director that you think could have made the TF movies? I mentioned this to my wife just now and she referred to Jean Pierre Jeunet, I'm not sure if she was messing with me or not though But for me, it's really a struggle to think of someone else that would have made the movies, particularly given what they are now.

vectorA3 wrote: The off-the-wall stuff you mentioned Bay threw into ROTF - is not in the spirit of TF & did not need to be used to sell it.

Agreed! But I mentioned it because it made the films what they are, and are all things that non-fans can either get aroused, shocked or fascinated about, therefore getting buzz, word-of-mouth, ATTENTION, which all act to serve the promotion of the film, good or bad.

vectorA3 wrote: All i want for TF3 is to be as good as the first film or better. 3D is too gimmicky and unnecessary at this point. Just because you CAN make something 3D doesn't mean you have to.

True, but they didnt need to do many things that were done in the second movie, and yet they did anyway! So all bets are off if you ask me

I just want to see Unicron!

vectorA3 wrote:u said it even better than me. The flames on Optimus don't bother me really, and I understand that they can't port EVERYTHING over from 80's G1 into today b/c this is 25 yrs. later, but they could at least try harder. Some of this stuff, they've taken the easy way out on, and H has given Paramount & Bay too much leeway. But H is trying to get a foothold in Hollywood and has to make some compromises I guess --to our dismay. I wouldn't b^&$#$ half as much if it were a different director doing things and messing them up. Bay is good at what he does, but his complacent attitude when countering fan arguments pisses me off. Listen to the fans, your wallet will still be fat at the end of the day. We know what we're talkin about, we've been fans for 26+ yrs.

He DID listn to the fans. We wanted more TFs we got it. We wanted Starscream and Megatron to argue just like in G1, we got that, we wanted less humans, we almost got that, We wanted Prime to kick ass, we got that, We wanted a better plot and IMO we got that too!(But I really wouldnt have cared if the plot was poopy.) And I swear to crap, no kidding, some one asked for Bay to put a humping Wheelie in the movie I kid you not, I saw it on the internet when Wheelie was first announced.

Im not a big lover of Bay, but im surprised hes not keen on 3D and i applaud him for not being pressured into doing it that way, purely for gimmicks. Lets get a solid story, THAT is what will define the 3rd film either way. I came on these boards ranting and raving about ROTF, but lets just cut the guy (Bay) some slack now. After a few comments that have been made in regard to 3 im feeling positive..maybe 3 will unite all factions on these boards. I hope so.

SlyTF1 wrote:

vectorA3 wrote:u said it even better than me. The flames on Optimus don't bother me really, and I understand that they can't port EVERYTHING over from 80's G1 into today b/c this is 25 yrs. later, but they could at least try harder. Some of this stuff, they've taken the easy way out on, and H has given Paramount & Bay too much leeway. But H is trying to get a foothold in Hollywood and has to make some compromises I guess --to our dismay. I wouldn't b^&$#$ half as much if it were a different director doing things and messing them up. Bay is good at what he does, but his complacent attitude when countering fan arguments pisses me off. Listen to the fans, your wallet will still be fat at the end of the day. We know what we're talkin about, we've been fans for 26+ yrs.

He DID listn to the fans. We wanted more TFs we got it. We wanted Starscream and Megatron to argue just like in G1, we got that, we wanted less humans, we almost got that, We wanted Prime to kick ass, we got that, We wanted a better plot and IMO we got that too!(But I really wouldnt have cared if the plot was poopy.) And I swear to crap, no kidding, some one asked for Bay to put a humping Wheelie in the movie I kid you not, I saw it on the internet when Wheelie was first announced.

ok, i'll give Bay that. Got those things we wanted, but we got a lot more things we didn't want!!! Aka Turturro's thong!!! For the umpteenth time that should've just been a deleted scene on the dvd/BR not in the final cut!! They could've at least made Wheelie orange. What's so hard about that?

vectorA3 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

vectorA3 wrote:u said it even better than me. The flames on Optimus don't bother me really, and I understand that they can't port EVERYTHING over from 80's G1 into today b/c this is 25 yrs. later, but they could at least try harder. Some of this stuff, they've taken the easy way out on, and H has given Paramount & Bay too much leeway. But H is trying to get a foothold in Hollywood and has to make some compromises I guess --to our dismay. I wouldn't b^&$#$ half as much if it were a different director doing things and messing them up. Bay is good at what he does, but his complacent attitude when countering fan arguments pisses me off. Listen to the fans, your wallet will still be fat at the end of the day. We know what we're talkin about, we've been fans for 26+ yrs.

He DID listn to the fans. We wanted more TFs we got it. We wanted Starscream and Megatron to argue just like in G1, we got that, we wanted less humans, we almost got that, We wanted Prime to kick ass, we got that, We wanted a better plot and IMO we got that too!(But I really wouldnt have cared if the plot was poopy.) And I swear to crap, no kidding, some one asked for Bay to put a humping Wheelie in the movie I kid you not, I saw it on the internet when Wheelie was first announced.

ok, i'll give Bay that. Got those things we wanted, but we got a lot more things we didn't want!!! Aka Turturro's thong!!! For the umpteenth time that should've just been a deleted scene on the dvd/BR not in the final cut!! They could've at least made Wheelie orange. What's so hard about that?

Well, I cant argue with that. The good just outweighs the bad for me though. I dont even pay attention to that stuff anymore. I just ignore it and get back to the awsumness of the movie.

SlyTF1 wrote:

vectorA3 wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

vectorA3 wrote:u said it even better than me. The flames on Optimus don't bother me really, and I understand that they can't port EVERYTHING over from 80's G1 into today b/c this is 25 yrs. later, but they could at least try harder. Some of this stuff, they've taken the easy way out on, and H has given Paramount & Bay too much leeway. But H is trying to get a foothold in Hollywood and has to make some compromises I guess --to our dismay. I wouldn't b^&$#$ half as much if it were a different director doing things and messing them up. Bay is good at what he does, but his complacent attitude when countering fan arguments pisses me off. Listen to the fans, your wallet will still be fat at the end of the day. We know what we're talkin about, we've been fans for 26+ yrs.

He DID listn to the fans. We wanted more TFs we got it. We wanted Starscream and Megatron to argue just like in G1, we got that, we wanted less humans, we almost got that, We wanted Prime to kick ass, we got that, We wanted a better plot and IMO we got that too!(But I really wouldnt have cared if the plot was poopy.) And I swear to crap, no kidding, some one asked for Bay to put a humping Wheelie in the movie I kid you not, I saw it on the internet when Wheelie was first announced.

ok, i'll give Bay that. Got those things we wanted, but we got a lot more things we didn't want!!! Aka Turturro's thong!!! For the umpteenth time that should've just been a deleted scene on the dvd/BR not in the final cut!! They could've at least made Wheelie orange. What's so hard about that?

Well, I cant argue with that. The good just outweighs the bad for me though. I dont even pay attention to that stuff anymore. I just ignore it and get back to the awsumness of the movie.

Thats what it comes down to ultimately, but as a fan of the franchise, you can't help but feel ripped off, patronized or insulted sometimes.

The thing with Wheelie not being orange is probably some lame excuse like "orange doesn't WORK on film" probably for the same reason as red doesn't either, too 'vibrant' perhaps?... Or that it's not cool enough of a color to be in such a 'hardcore' Terminators in Disguise movie like Bays Transformers is.

And can we stop bringing up Turturros choice of underwear? I know I brought it up earlier, but the less said about it, the better... I hope he got paid well for that, because someone had to benefit from that scene, the viewers sure didn't!

they can't give any lame excuse about Wheelie with Prime being red and having orange flames. This is what it's come down to, hating on TF2 so much that I'm defending Wheelie.

Wow....lots of typing.
I'm not really one to talk though being the average length of my posts heh.

Vector!
Ah, so the GI-Joe Hasbro theory goes out the door then, however validates the July 4th theory. In that respect, yeah I'm pretty sure the studio will slap on a layer of 3-D just to bank on the gimmick. Again, however, it lies on how much Bay can get rushed out by the scheduled release time.

The thing I'm afraid is, large awesome movie franchises have a long standing history with mucking up the final film in a trilogy. The best examples being:

Jurassic Park 3
Terminator 3
Aliens 3

And such large FX driven films. So I'm lowering my hopes for T3 in the flip side that my lowered expectations will be happily surprised. Even so, I don't know why there's a drive against the 3-D gimmick, I mean it can really do only more good then harm. and like I said, nearly every if not every 3-D film is released with a non 3-D option. Except for the case in Australia appearently. Which strikes me as odd, especially with the release of Clash of the Titans here in the states. Sure enough, this film and How to Train Your Dragon had no 3-D options. I guess things are managed differently internationally.

But moving forward, I'm pro-3D. Like I said I think it would soften the blow that I expect this third film is going to be. My whole Beowulf experience all over again, accept instead of a 3-D cgi Angelina, I'll get a 3-D Megan Fox.....how is no one else behind this ideal? How, how I say?

Is it the thumbs, cause I've been waaaaayyyyyy over the thumbs for at least a few years now.

SEXFIGHTER wrote:Im not a big lover of Bay, but im surprised hes not keen on 3D and i applaud him for not being pressured into doing it that way, purely for gimmicks. Lets get a solid story, THAT is what will define the 3rd film either way. I came on these boards ranting and raving about ROTF, but lets just cut the guy (Bay) some slack now. After a few comments that have been made in regard to 3 im feeling positive..maybe 3 will unite all factions on these boards. I hope so.

I completely agree that 3 needs a great story. I am also impressed that Bay that Bay is so far refusing 3D-that is a very good thing. We don't need gimmicks at this point. We need a great movie with a great script.

I really just hope that TF 3 turns out great in every possible way. Unlike some other franchises, this will almost definitely be the last movie in the series......and it is doubtful the TF franchise will get any further contributions (with different directors, producers, new/better actors, new designs...etc.)in the future. We can always count on some kind of Batman movie or Superman Movie every few years, but that isn't likely with the Transformers franchise.

Joshua Vallse wrote: and like I said, nearly every if not every 3-D film is released with a non 3-D option. Except for the case in Australia appearently. Which strikes me as odd, especially with the release of Clash of the Titans here in the states. Sure enough, this film and How to Train Your Dragon had no 3-D options. I guess things are managed differently internationally.

Not to hammer the point home, but merely to clarify, I will quote my own post...

gigazarak wrote:Except, at least here (Australia) the session times for the 2D versions for Avatar were A LOT less frequent, there were more 3D sessions, so you were pushed into seeing it in 3D.

So it's not a case that in Australia we only have 3D as an option, I just meant that 3D with Avatar was MORE FREQUENT as far as session times were concerned, you could still see the movies in 2D, just a lot less often. That seems to be changing though as I type this, I just checked the session times for How to Train your Dragon and Clash of the Titans...

2D - How to Train Your Dragon = Fri 9 Apr - 10:00am, 12:10pm, 2:20pm, 6:50pm
3D - How To Train Your Dragon = Fri 9 Apr - 10:00am, 12:10pm, 2:20pm, 6:50pm

Same for 3D and 2D!

2D - Clash of the Titans = Fri 9 Apr - 12:20pm, 2:40pm, 5:00pm, 7:20pm, 9:40pm
3D - Clash of the Titans = Fri 9 Apr - 2:20pm, 4:40pm, 7:00pm, 9:20pm

Less in 3D! Maybe the gimmick is slowly dying out already? Or maybe people are feeling ripped off paying extra for something that gives you a headache.

I just remember Avatar was like throughout the day as 3D, and twice in 2D, you were pushed hard into seeing it in 3D. With that as a situation, of course more people are seeing 3D films over the 2D equivalent, because there are more sessions in 3D!

But yeah you're probably right, they are probably managed differently internationally.

Prime Riblet wrote:

SEXFIGHTER wrote:Im not a big lover of Bay, but im surprised hes not keen on 3D and i applaud him for not being pressured into doing it that way, purely for gimmicks. Lets get a solid story, THAT is what will define the 3rd film either way. I came on these boards ranting and raving about ROTF, but lets just cut the guy (Bay) some slack now. After a few comments that have been made in regard to 3 im feeling positive..maybe 3 will unite all factions on these boards. I hope so.

I completely agree that 3 needs a great story. I am also impressed that Bay that Bay is so far refusing 3D-that is a very good thing. We don't need gimmicks at this point. We need a great movie with a great script.

I really just hope that TF 3 turns out great in every possible way. Unlike some other franchises, this will almost definitely be the last movie in the series......and it is doubtful the TF franchise will get any further contributions (with different directors, producers, new/better actors, new designs...etc.)in the future. We can always count on some kind of Batman movie or Superman Movie every few years, but that isn't likely with the Transformers franchise.

why would you doubt this? ROTF made over $800 mill. I think they'll reboot at some point, there's just too much $ to made. Hasbro wants to make more $ off of toys & film too. For our sake though, I hope they reboot completely and not make TF4. The studio will probably want a reboot anyway, so they don't have to pay massive sums to the actors and directors. Thus was the case with Spiderman 4, which was scrapped in favor of a reboot.

vectorA3 wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:

SEXFIGHTER wrote:Im not a big lover of Bay, but im surprised hes not keen on 3D and i applaud him for not being pressured into doing it that way, purely for gimmicks. Lets get a solid story, THAT is what will define the 3rd film either way. I came on these boards ranting and raving about ROTF, but lets just cut the guy (Bay) some slack now. After a few comments that have been made in regard to 3 im feeling positive..maybe 3 will unite all factions on these boards. I hope so.

I completely agree that 3 needs a great story. I am also impressed that Bay that Bay is so far refusing 3D-that is a very good thing. We don't need gimmicks at this point. We need a great movie with a great script.

I really just hope that TF 3 turns out great in every possible way. Unlike some other franchises, this will almost definitely be the last movie in the series......and it is doubtful the TF franchise will get any further contributions (with different directors, producers, new/better actors, new designs...etc.)in the future. We can always count on some kind of Batman movie or Superman Movie every few years, but that isn't likely with the Transformers franchise.

why would you doubt this? ROTF made over $800 mill. I think they'll reboot at some point, there's just too much $ to made. Hasbro wants to make more $ off of toys & film too. For our sake though, I hope they reboot completely and not make TF4. The studio will probably want a reboot anyway, so they don't have to pay massive sums to the actors and directors. Thus was the case with Spiderman 4, which was scrapped in favor of a reboot.

Agreed.

TF is a monster franchise, love them or hate them, the last two movies made heaps of cash. Hasbro realised that TF was popular, so started putting out marvel character tfs, starwars tfs, different toylines for different age ranges at the same time (bumper battlers, etc), same characters in different classes etc. A lot of cash has been invested in TF, because, undoubtedly, A LOT more has come back to them, I doubt TF3 will be the last Hollywood does with the idea of Transforming robots, but I'm with you vectorA3, please god not a TF4, the idea will be well and truly stale by then, bring on the inevitable reboot!

As much as i disliked Raimis last 2 Spidey films, i think to reboot so soon is frankly ridiculous, i dont want to watch parker back in high school again.. Bond took 40 years or something to reboot and by the 2nd film the old habits started to creep back in. The only time to reboot is if the franchise has lay dormant for like 10, 15 years..not 3 or 4.
Transformers has a vast and rich history of stories and characters..i wanna see these themes explored on the big screen at some point, not go back to square 1 and watch the Autobots crash to earth all over again

And i stress -- a reboot without any involvement from M. Bay whatsoever!!!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!! No producing, directing, consulting --anything!! I hate to throw him under the bus, but no Spielberg either -- he picked Bay to direct from the outset. He should've directed himself.

vectorA3 wrote:And i stress -- a reboot without any involvement from M. Bay whatsoever!!!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!! No producing, directing, consulting --anything!! I hate to throw him under the bus, but no Spielberg either -- he picked Bay to direct from the outset. He should've directed himself.

What if TF3 is a remake of ROTF? I mean, to get the cridics off his back and what not, is that possible? This idea just poped into my mind lastnight while I was laying on my bed awake thinking about how much I love ROTF and how much other people hate it.

every franchise has a turkey or 2, gettin on with doin a better job next time round makes more sense than panicking and pressing the reboot button, thats just confusing for the audience. I know Bay aint the critics choice, im one of em, but this is his chance to right a lot of wrongs with the 3rd one, hes doin it anyway, so lets see what he comes up with. I dont rate Spielberg that much to be honest....now imagine Tim Burton got hold of this franchise ha ha, that would be priceless.

SEXFIGHTER wrote:every franchise has a turkey or 2, gettin on with doin a better job next time round makes more sense than panicking and pressing the reboot button, thats just confusing for the audience. I know Bay aint the critics choice, im one of em, but this is his chance to right a lot of wrongs with the 3rd one, hes doin it anyway, so lets see what he comes up with. I dont rate Spielberg that much to be honest....now imagine Tim Burton got hold of this franchise ha ha, that would be priceless.

You kniow what? That wouldnt be a bad idea giving TFs to him. He always makes these dark ass depressing movies. I want to see a depressing TF movie! That would complete my life! I am doing that with a stopmotion though, but compared to a real movie its ****!

SlyTF1 wrote:

SEXFIGHTER wrote:every franchise has a turkey or 2, gettin on with doin a better job next time round makes more sense than panicking and pressing the reboot button, thats just confusing for the audience. I know Bay aint the critics choice, im one of em, but this is his chance to right a lot of wrongs with the 3rd one, hes doin it anyway, so lets see what he comes up with. I dont rate Spielberg that much to be honest....now imagine Tim Burton got hold of this franchise ha ha, that would be priceless.

You kniow what? That wouldnt be a bad idea giving TFs to him. He always makes these dark ass depressing movies. I want to see a depressing TF movie! That would complete my life! I am doing that with a stopmotion though, but compared to a real movie its ****!

...And johnny depps role would be??...it would be twisted, but cool as fook. Stop motion eh? you'll have to give us a heads up when thats ready.

SEXFIGHTER wrote:As much as i disliked Raimis last 2 Spidey films, i think to reboot so soon is frankly ridiculous, i dont want to watch parker back in high school again.. Bond took 40 years or something to reboot and by the 2nd film the old habits started to creep back in. The only time to reboot is if the franchise has lay dormant for like 10, 15 years..not 3 or 4.

Just because it's ridiculous, doesn't mean it wont happen, just look at the 4 year time span between the Hulk and The Incredible Hulk. And even then they sort of made the two movies compliment each other. But maybe thats not considered a reboot, dunno.

SEXFIGHTER wrote:Transformers has a vast and rich history of stories and characters..i wanna see these themes explored on the big screen at some point, not go back to square 1 and watch the Autobots crash to earth all over again

And the toy line/cartoons are reinvented all the time, so it's not a stretch to do it with the movies either, it's all in how you do it...

SEXFIGHTER wrote:every franchise has a turkey or 2, gettin on with doin a better job next time round makes more sense than panicking and pressing the reboot button, thats just confusing for the audience. I know Bay aint the critics choice, im one of em, but this is his chance to right a lot of wrongs with the 3rd one, hes doin it anyway, so lets see what he comes up with. I dont rate Spielberg that much to be honest....now imagine Tim Burton got hold of this franchise ha ha, that would be priceless.

Gothformers, more than meets the emo...

vectorA3 wrote:And i stress -- a reboot without any involvement from M. Bay whatsoever!!!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!! No producing, directing, consulting --anything!! I hate to throw him under the bus, but no Spielberg either -- he picked Bay to direct from the outset. He should've directed himself.

I don't think we'd be able to tear Señor Spielbergo from producing TF movies, thats probably not going to happen, but there could be hope for no Bay, nobody hold thier breath or anything!

SEXFIGHTER wrote:

SlyTF1 wrote:

SEXFIGHTER wrote:every franchise has a turkey or 2, gettin on with doin a better job next time round makes more sense than panicking and pressing the reboot button, thats just confusing for the audience. I know Bay aint the critics choice, im one of em, but this is his chance to right a lot of wrongs with the 3rd one, hes doin it anyway, so lets see what he comes up with. I dont rate Spielberg that much to be honest....now imagine Tim Burton got hold of this franchise ha ha, that would be priceless.

You kniow what? That wouldnt be a bad idea giving TFs to him. He always makes these dark ass depressing movies. I want to see a depressing TF movie! That would complete my life! I am doing that with a stopmotion though, but compared to a real movie its ****!

...And johnny depps role would be??...it would be twisted, but cool as fook.

Spike, and actually call him Spike for crying out loud... What about Buster, Spikes brother from the old g1 comics? Eh, he's too old for that...

An older Sam? Like an All Hail Megatron version of the character? Kinda did that with Lennox though right? Tough military guy thing...

AH! I've got it! Johnny Depp could be... Doctor Arkeville!! Perfect! Kooky/wonky/drunk seeming bad guy!