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The report says there are five PCCs, plus the combiners, but the gallery shows SIX non-combiner team PCCs. There are box pics of Searchlight and Icepick, and I already know which are Huffer and Smolder, which of the other two is Leadfooter? The bulky yellow one, or the slimline yellow one?

bluecatcinema wrote:The report says there are five PCCs, plus the combiners, but the gallery shows SIX non-combiner team PCCs. There are box pics of Searchlight and Icepick, and I already know which are Huffer and Smolder, which of the other two is Leadfooter? The bulky yellow one, or the slimline yellow one?

Smolder w/ Chopster - Firetruck
Huffer w/ Caliburst - yellow Truck
Searchlight w/ Backwind - Helicopter
Leadfoot w/ Pinpoint (wave 2, new minicon mold) - Rallycar
Sledge w/ Throttle (Wave 2, new minicon mold) - Bucket Scoop
Icepick w/ Chainclaw (Wave 2, new minicon mold) Arctic ATV

In Seibertrons gallery (which is awesome BTW) it shows Searchlight on the floor with a green Caliburst, which I'm sure is just there as a place holder for Backwind. But who does the green one go to? Also, whoever set up Sledge make him look awful when really, his stock photo looks pretty good. Looks like his Minicon turns into a drill to go with his construction vehicle theme. I think what were seeing when we look at Sledge is a mix between his Gestalt Mode (head), vehicle mode (chest and arms) and robot mode (legs). I really don't like the hands on Leadfoot, but I like his minicon because he looks like the old targetmaster Pinpointer.

EDIT: Same thing goes for Icepick. Head is his combiner mode head, when compared to official stock image of scout figure.

Over all, I gotta say I don't like the look of this so far. Here's hoping somewhere halfway down the line we see Deluxe figures merging with scouts again. These PCCs almost have it right... almost.

DavidT wrote:PowerCore Combaticons and Aerialbots are even lamer than Energon Optimus with his Drones when he combined.



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Yes! Exactly! That's a perfect example of how bad these really are. Even though I like the Energon line (more specifically, the Autobots), even I can say that Energon Optimus has glaring issues. Even then, he's still 10 times more awesome than this trainwreck of crap.

Maybe when I see a cartoon for the power core combiners I'll understand the play gimmick properly. Right now I see a bunch of great looking toys but WTF is up with no bot modes for the limbs?

No bot modes = not becoming a part of my collection.

Even after seeing these higher quality images of the combiners this line is a complete pass for me.

Like a lot of others here I can't get past the fact that the limbs do not have robot modes. The whole Drone idea just sucks, simple as that. I really don't have an issue with the size, I mean the Energon combiners were all scouts with a deluxe core, but the fact that the limbs are non-transforming drones that are legends sized holds absolutely no interest for me. Epic Fail Hasbro!!!

Down_Shift wrote:

bluecatcinema wrote:The report says there are five PCCs, plus the combiners, but the gallery shows SIX non-combiner team PCCs. There are box pics of Searchlight and Icepick, and I already know which are Huffer and Smolder, which of the other two is Leadfooter? The bulky yellow one, or the slimline yellow one?

Smolder w/ Chopster - Firetruck
Huffer w/ Caliburst - yellow Truck
Searchlight w/ Backwind - Helicopter
Leadfoot w/ Pinpoint (wave 2, new minicon mold) - Rallycar
Sledge w/ Throttle (Wave 2, new minicon mold) - Bucket Scoop
Icepick w/ Chainclaw (Wave 2, new minicon mold) Arctic ATV

In Seibertrons gallery (which is awesome BTW) it shows Searchlight on the floor with a green Caliburst, which I'm sure is just there as a place holder for Backwind. But who does the green one go to? Also, whoever set up Sledge make him look awful when really, his stock photo looks pretty good. Looks like his Minicon turns into a drill to go with his construction vehicle theme. I think what were seeing when we look at Sledge is a mix between his Gestalt Mode (head), vehicle mode (chest and arms) and robot mode (legs). I really don't like the hands on Leadfoot, but I like his minicon because he looks like the old targetmaster Pinpointer.

EDIT: Same thing goes for Icepick. Head is his combiner mode head, when compared to official stock image of scout figure.

Over all, I gotta say I don't like the look of this so far. Here's hoping somewhere halfway down the line we see Deluxe figures merging with scouts again. These PCCs almost have it right... almost.

I don't think the 2 pack Combiners look too bad. Honestly, the worst aspect for me has to be Leadfoot and Icepick's hands. Leadfoot's hands are slightly better (since they really come off as claw-like), but I'm not a huge fan of Ice Pick's hands. Seems kind of lazy. Plus I'm not sure where you can attach his mini-con as a gun. You can see where Leadfoot's mini-con can attach to his wrist. Can't say the same for Ice Pick.

All in all, I love mini-cons, so I won't hesitate to buy the 2 packs. Not a fan of the combined robots we've seen thus far. Bruticus looks ok, but Superion is anorexic. I also wish they had better defined hands and feet (something G1 combiners actually have).

EDIT: Looks like Icepick is designed to use his mini-con as a shoulder weapon.

Abraxsis wrote:Even after seeing these higher quality images of the combiners this line is a complete pass for me.

Like a lot of others here I can't get past the fact that the limbs do not have robot modes. The whole Drone idea just sucks, simple as that. I really don't have an issue with the size, I mean the Energon combiners were all scouts with a deluxe core, but the fact that the limbs are non-transforming drones that are legends sized holds absolutely no interest for me. Epic Fail Hasbro!!!

I really don't like the idea of them being mindless drones, I hate the idea, honestly.

That being said, the least they could've done for us is give us limbs that actually LOOK like limbs.

Hasbro really dropped the ball here, badly. Instead of these ugly claw and hook monstrosities we're receiving, they could've, at the very least, given us limbs that are not only fully functional and actually look like arms and legs, but have them be super detailed, full of awesome spring loaded gimmicks like flip out missle launchers and arm mounted gatling guns, but no....

They gave us the Energon Combiner syndrome all over again. At least with those, you could turn your brain inside out giving them alternate transformations to rig up some kind of humanoid design. These...they make the Energon Combiners look like Masterpiece level designs.

Meh, too rotf-y for me, I'll pass unless one looks more classicsverse ish in the future.

Wow, why did I expect these to be awesome?
I mean seriously claw hands again?.

If the limbs don't have robot-modes they could have atleast given them hands instead of claws. That said they don't look bad and I might pick one up.

the combaticon type one seems to have last minute remolding to his head, look at his face, it has putty on it so that it kinda resembles a battlemask.

Dead Metal wrote:the combaticon type one seems to have last minute remolding to his head, look at his face, it has putty on it so that it kinda resembles a battlemask.

I caught that too. I guess the mold wasn't complete yet

These use the same squarish shapes as the Energon combiners, but in a size that doesn't carry it as well. It actually seems like they just tacked the squares onto their arms and legs to make instant combiners.

Appearance is the real poor part here. Normal combiners have an excuse for the poor appearance, because you are effectively merging five separate characters, complete with discrete color schemes, into a single figure. Since these aren't separate characters, but effectively parts of the same character, they should coordinate better. You should have an idea just by looking at a drone whose drone he is. By color scheme, not just by a theme that another combiner may also use.

I like the idea of micromaster combiners around a scout core, but they need to work harder. Hasbro's efforts are starting to look G2, that is, second rate compared to the original. So long as they don't introduce pretenders with "life-like flexible shells!" :VOMIT:

I'm gonna give these guys a chance. I approve of the use of oldskool names, and in Leadfoot's case, possible homagery. This, I think, is the kind of stuff it's difficult to get a real feeling of without getting hands on experience.

Once again, love the 2-bot teams. Not sure what these Rallybots and Destucticons are about, since they AREN'T the new gestalts.

A little odd the new gestalts are rebranded with new names, not that that's ever stopped anyone. I bet Hasbro was just tired of a certain 3rd party stomping on their faces using the old less-articulated molds they re-released

Requiem Prime wrote:Once again, love the 2-bot teams. Not sure what these Rallybots and Destucticons are about, since they AREN'T the new gestalts.

Looking at the product images, I think that they are new PowerCore Gestalts, just the 2nd wave of them.

Mkall wrote:

Requiem Prime wrote:Once again, love the 2-bot teams. Not sure what these Rallybots and Destucticons are about, since they AREN'T the new gestalts.

Looking at the product images, I think that they are new PowerCore Gestalts, just the 2nd wave of them.

They are indeed. The main vehicle in both sets is clearly on the same level as Bombshock and whatever the crap they're calling Silverbolt now.

You can clearly see their companions are nothing more than empty drones.

I think these look just fine, honestly. I saw the Energon Prime likeness right away, and while that figure is not perfect or even reasonably good, with these I think HAsbro's closer to the idea E-Prime may have been based on. As for the E-combiners, that's such a well worn topic. Here's my thing about these figures looking like 'monstrosities' or whathaveyou.

If the ROTF designs are criticised, we're supposed to shut up, becuase after all, the TFs are supposed to look like they are aliens. Well, here's what presumes to be a main line of figures and they look like aliens, but that's not ok? Those hideous Arcee bikes are cool, all snake like and assinine, but it's fine cause TFs are aliens so shouldn't have to look like humans/humanoids. If that logic is hammered for ROTF toys, then it should be applicable to these as well. We want to discuss monstrosities??? The Arcee abominations are the physical manifestation of the nightmares of Heironymous Bosch. What the **** do they combine into, the Hydra? **** ing let me sever their heads and cauterize their neckholes so we can be finished with this unholy Arcee fetish which accepts such a load of plastic vomit as a passable toy.
And for those who will lambast me for disparaging those terrors, and chastise me with the idea that those stupid motorcycles combine, the entire point of these figures apparently is their combination abilities. Are they beautiful, like a summer morning with your most beloved as viewed through a prism which, though it splits light into its component spectrum rays, shows the perfection and beauty of harmonious existance? Hell no. But, they're supposed to be aliens, remember, and if that's a defense for those garish ROTF abortions then it is suitable for these monsters as well.

Dagon wrote:*snipped rant*

Wow. Take a chill pill. No one's saying you can't like them. I fully understand that there are some folks who will be head over heels in love with these things, and that's fine.

Will you please stop with the ROTF bashing for once? Geez.

I was impressed by the Powercore combiners at first sight, but now i'm very disappointed with the designs. The gestalts' arms are just horrible. Superions' yellow copter arm is ridiculous, as well as his other claw. The wings on one of them look way too small, even smaller than Dirge's! The car teams should've had a larger vehicle as the center, like a truck, instead of smaller, out-of-scale cars... catching breath from rant... maybe i'll change my mind once they're on the shelves.

Autobot032 wrote:Wow. Take a chill pill. No one's saying you can't like them. I fully understand that there are some folks who will be head over heels in love with these things, and that's fine.

Will you please stop with the ROTF bashing for once? Geez.

For starters, I'm not ranting. I didn't mean any kind of anger or whatever you've decided my post was full of. I wasn't very far outside of the lines you've established with all of your "hook and claw monstrosity" comments of earlier, so I can't really see how an opposite view from yours, written in the same fashion, is so inflammatory to you.

And, once more, I'm not bashing ROTF as much as expressing my opinion that I am entitled to. Again, not far out of your own chosen realm, expressing your dislike of Energon Prime and the Energon Combiners, which you are frequently outspoken against.

And seeing as I'm clearly the only person in your estimate who is bashing ROTF and clearly, the worst offender at that, please, please forgive me. Your opinions obviously never tread on or against anyone elses. Boy, I'm a real jag, aren't I, for having my own opinion?
You don't like the toys from Energon. Fine. I'm not telling you to stop with the Energon bashing, am I? Geez. Maybe you should take the pill and finally realize that the rest of us get opinions too, even if they go against yours. It's all well and good while you're giving your peace, but then it's a travesty for someone who disagrees to say theirs?

Puts those guns back into the holsters boys... You can't really feel morally good arguing over plastic toys that haven't even been released yet.. right?

I'm not entirely too excited about PCC. Yes they have Mini-cons, yes it's not ROTF, but how does it compare to my beloved Armada?

I'll be waiting for pictures, and by that I mean I'll be the one reporting the pictures to you all...

Wait, someone doesn't like Energon toys?

I don't understand...

Counterpunch wrote:Wait, someone doesn't like Energon toys?

I don't understand...

Neither do I; they are Awesome.

Dagon wrote:*snipped the crap*

Whoa now, wait just a second. I never once said I hated Energon toys. I love the A/E/C trilogy.

Yes, I even love Optimus. All I said was that I acknowledge that there are glaring problems in both Optimus and the Maximus combiner sets, but that doesn't say that I hate them. If I did, I wouldn't have them in my collection, nor would I have bought the FansProject upgrades for them.

I also said that even with their issues, they outshine the PCC line.

Don't put words in my mouth. READ, next time.

I'm diggin on these PCC's.

Think about this for a moment... Each 'Commander' has the capability of becoming the torso of a gestalt, that can use any combination of limb drones. Your custom gestalt can now use any of the weapon and armor minicons to make your gestalt even more unique.

How many waves will be out by the holidays? Let's say the series launches in july with a new wave every month after that. that's six waves. If every other wave has a new autobot and decepticon gestalt, that will be 6 sets of 4 drone limbs, 12 arms and 12 legs, as well as 6 torsos. Lets say each wave also consists of 4 duo's. Over 6 waves that will be an additional 24 torso's and 24 'multitools'.

What do we have so far... 30 torsos, 12 arms, 12 legs, and 24 multitools. It is Hasbro, so we have to assume that 2/3's of these will be repaints. So our adjusted 'unique' numbers are 10 torsos, 4 arms, 4 legs, and 8 multitools.

Those look low to me, but we'll continue.

Pick a Torso, 2 Arms, 2 Legs, 1 Armor and 2 Weapons [duel wielding rules] 10 x 4 x 3 x 4 x 3 x 8 x 7 x 6 = 483,840.

The numbers don't lie. Your gestalt, using 100% unique molds, armed and armored, has nearly a 1 in half a million chance of being replicated by another... and that's before the repaints which will put the 'unique to you alone' numbers in the multiple millions.

Using these numbers and wave assortments, come the holidays, it is possible for the majority of the dedicated fandom to have a gestalt entirely unique to each individual.

That is the definition of Win... at least in my book.

ps- If OP and Megs are Headmasters...