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[cruizerdave]

"It's not good when I'm not involved."

What an @$$hole. Bay is a complete and total @$$hole. I've come to terms that we'll never see a decent Transformers adaption in our lifetimes thanks to him, but I find it amusing that people still eat up the garbage he puts on their cinematic plates.

With that kind of attitude do you think the fandom really deserve a movie pandering to the whiners?


You do know why fans don't write movies or have much impact right?



And what's wrong with people liking the movies there are worse movies and those people are not you they have different opinions so next time think before insulting people who enjoy something you don't.

I'll sum it up for you with two lists.
List one, things I don't ever want to see in a Transformers movie, but I have:
•Crass "humor" aimed squarely at slack jawed idiots.
•Discussions about masterbation
•Robots peeing on people.
•Dogs peeing on robots
•Nonsensical plots about conspiracies concerning Transformers affecting humanity's past.
•Plot points wherein characters explain why its okay for them to have sex with an under-aged minor.
•Porny shots of faked baked women in skimpy outfits.
•Weird racism.
•Blatant racism.
•Recycled footage from The Island.
•Chicago getting destroyed more than once.
•Marky Mark playing an inventor.
•Robots that don't transform as much as dissolve into thousands of tiny pieces and reassemble.
•High school boy being put off by ridiculous past of hot girl whose dad stole cars. Or something.
•John Turturro's underwear.
•Editing that looks like it was done by a bunch of interns all high on cocaine.
•Shaky camera for every action scene mixed with random bits of slow motion.
•Characters who act like douchebags, which accounts for all of them.
•Childhood icon Optimus Prime portrayed as a cold blooded killer of both Decepticons and humans who piss him off.
•Divergent story lines and characters that have nothing to do with the rest of the movie.
•Evil government/business conspiracy organizations ... again and again and again.
•There's only one way to defeat this giant evil robot — call the United States military!
•An evil sex bot with a 20-foot long tongue.

Now for list number two, things I'd like to see in a Transformers movie that we haven't seen yet and likely won't as long as Bay is involved —
•Robots besides Optimus and Bumblebee who are actually discernible from each other at a glance.
•Plots that in a broad way, make some kind of sense.
•Appealing characters, both human and robot.
•Transformers treated as characters and not just special effects in the background of Shia's attempts to get laid.
•Plots not driven completely by some type of bullcrap McGuffin.
•Dialog that sounds like regular people and not drunk college frat boys during rush week.
•Character development.
•A basic understanding of story structure.


Look, I didn't say you couldn't enjoy these movies. If you can enjoy these movies, then good for you. I'm not insulting you, but I've hated Michael Bays' style of film making ever since Armageddon.

To me watching these films (well the first one's not as bad as the others) is the cinematic equivalent of slamming my head into a metal door repeatedly. They're loud, every character is obnoxious, they have no theme, they make no sense and their story structure is nonexistent.

If you think my problems are those of a whiner, pull up Rottentomatoes sometime and read some of the reviews there. My problems with these films aren't fanboy Transformer problems, they are fundamental storytelling problems.

[ZeroWolf]

As I said a lot of character changes were done to keep the character most recognisable to the current toy incarnation..as long as its part of the generations line.

EDIT:Cruisrdave, can you cross off the items on your list which actually are the fault of Bay and not the fault of scriptwriters or producers or editors.

[SlyTF1]

"It's not good when I'm not involved."

What an @$$hole. Bay is a complete and total @$$hole. I've come to terms that we'll never see a decent Transformers adaption in our lifetimes thanks to him, but I find it amusing that people still eat up the garbage he puts on their cinematic plates.

With that kind of attitude do you think the fandom really deserve a movie pandering to the whiners?


You do know why fans don't write movies or have much impact right?



And what's wrong with people liking the movies there are worse movies and those people are not you they have different opinions so next time think before insulting people who enjoy something you don't.

I'll sum it up for you with two lists.
List one, things I don't ever want to see in a Transformers movie, but I have:
•Crass "humor" aimed squarely at slack jawed idiots.
•Discussions about masterbation
•Robots peeing on people.
•Dogs peeing on robots
•Nonsensical plots about conspiracies concerning Transformers affecting humanity's past.
•Plot points wherein characters explain why its okay for them to have sex with an under-aged minor.
•Porny shots of faked baked women in skimpy outfits.
•Weird racism.
•Blatant racism.
•Recycled footage from The Island.
•Chicago getting destroyed more than once.
•Marky Mark playing an inventor.
•Robots that don't transform as much as dissolve into thousands of tiny pieces and reassemble.
•High school boy being put off by ridiculous past of hot girl whose dad stole cars. Or something.
•John Turturro's underwear.
•Editing that looks like it was done by a bunch of interns all high on cocaine.
•Shaky camera for every action scene mixed with random bits of slow motion.
•Characters who act like douchebags, which accounts for all of them.
•Childhood icon Optimus Prime portrayed as a cold blooded killer of both Decepticons and humans who piss him off.
•Divergent story lines and characters that have nothing to do with the rest of the movie.
•Evil government/business conspiracy organizations ... again and again and again.
•There's only one way to defeat this giant evil robot — call the United States military!
•An evil sex bot with a 20-foot long tongue.

Now for list number two, things I'd like to see in a Transformers movie that we haven't seen yet and likely won't as long as Bay is involved —
•Robots besides Optimus and Bumblebee who are actually discernible from each other at a glance.
•Plots that in a broad way, make some kind of sense.
•Appealing characters, both human and robot.
•Transformers treated as characters and not just special effects in the background of Shia's attempts to get laid.
•Plots not driven completely by some type of bullcrap McGuffin.
•Dialog that sounds like regular people and not drunk college frat boys during rush week.
•Character development.
•A basic understanding of story structure.


Look, I didn't say you couldn't enjoy these movies. If you can enjoy these movies, then good for you. I'm not insulting you, but I've hated Michael Bays' style of film making ever since Armageddon.

To me watching these films (well the first one's not as bad as the others) is the cinematic equivalent of slamming my head into a metal door repeatedly. They're loud, every character is obnoxious, they have no theme, they make no sense and their story structure is nonexistent.

If you think my problems are those of a whiner, pull up Rottentomatoes sometime and read some of the reviews there. My problems with these films aren't fanboy Transformer problems, they are fundamental storytelling problems.

Who gives a damn what you want? A filmmaker's job isn't to submit to your every whim and plea.

Not only that, but there was character development in AOE. And the US military was never called. Get over yourself.

[cruizerdave]

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Who gives a damn what you want? A filmmaker's job isn't to submit to your every whim and plea.

Not only that, but there was character development in AOE. And the US military was never called. Get over yourself.[/quote]

Yeah, who gives a damn about making GOOD movies.

Except Marvel seems to be doing it pretty consistently.

Like I said, if you like it, good for you. As for me, I'll never pay to see any Transformers movie made by Bay again, nor will I buy the toys or merchandise.

Just out of curiosity, what do you consider character development in AOE? A dad's acceptance of a college-aged man having sex with his teen-aged daughter? Instead of giving a mono-log to no one in particular, Optimus flies into space to give his closing narration?

[SlyTF1]

Who gives a damn what you want? A filmmaker's job isn't to submit to your every whim and plea.

Not only that, but there was character development in AOE. And the US military was never called. Get over yourself.

Yeah, who gives a damn about making GOOD movies.

Except Marvel seems to be doing it pretty consistently.

Like I said, if you like it, good for you. As for me, I'll never pay to see any Transformers movie made by Bay again, nor will I buy the toys or merchandise.

Just out of curiosity, what do you consider character development in AOE? A dad's acceptance of a college-aged man having sex with his teen-aged daughter? Instead of giving a mono-log to no one in particular, Optimus flies into space to give his closing narration?

Marvel's movies are literally everything people accuse the Transformers movies of being, yet no one ever realizes that. The fact that Optimus went from wanting to abandon humanity to risking his life to save it again is character development, whether you realize it or not. The fact that Optimus was willing to abandon human kind in the first place is development in itself.

[cruizerdave]

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Marvel's movies are literally everything people accuse the Transformers movies of being, yet no one ever realizes that. The fact that Optimus went from wanting to abandon humanity to risking his life to save it again is character development, whether you realize it or not. The fact that Optimus was willing to abandon human kind in the first place is development in itself.

No, they're not. That's ridiculous to say.
Marvel has appealing characters. Transformers has obnoxious idiots running around pretending to be characters.

Also, Marvel has never had to make a cheap piss, masterbation or statutory rape joke.

[ZeroWolf]

Technically it's only a statutory rape joke when viewed through the lens of America as in the UK the age of consent is 16 so had the film be set in the UK, cade at of been unhappy but that's it.

Also I think that was included as a by product of the way the characters were created, like the daughter being 17 so they could have that question about Cades overprotective nature with her. Her age being any higher then it wouldn't of worked. As for the bf, given what career they gave him, anything younger wouldn't of worked also it helped play into Cades dilemma about his daughter.

[SlyTF1]

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Marvel's movies are literally everything people accuse the Transformers movies of being, yet no one ever realizes that. The fact that Optimus went from wanting to abandon humanity to risking his life to save it again is character development, whether you realize it or not. The fact that Optimus was willing to abandon human kind in the first place is development in itself.

No, they're not. That's ridiculous to say.
Marvel has appealing characters. Transformers has obnoxious idiots running around pretending to be characters.

Also, Marvel has never had to make a cheap piss, masterbation or statutory rape joke.

Marvel doesn't have any damn appealing characters. There isn't a single one of them, besides Ultron, and maybe, just maybe Captain America that have any appeal to me.

Rape joke? There's no damn rape joke in any of the Transformers movies. Not only that, but I'm sure Guardians of the Galaxy had a masturbation joke.

[Burn]

I tend to tune out of a persons opinion when they keep referring to Mark Wahlberg as Marky Mark.

That's a role he played over 20 years ago. Get over it, move on. He's established himself as an actor, and has been doing that for a number of years too.

And comparing Transformer movies to Marvel movies? Yeah, totally different.

Don't like the movies? Then don't watch them, it really is that **** simple and you still have all the other TF series you can enjoy. Michael Bay did not child your rapehood.

[Stuartmaximus]

http://movieweb.com/transformers-5-unde ... ump-truck/

[william-james88]

As I said a lot of character changes were done to keep the character most recognisable to the current toy incarnation..as long as its part of the generations line.

EDIT:Cruisrdave, can you cross off the items on your list which actually are the fault of Bay and not the fault of scriptwriters or producers or editors.

Zero Wolf, you and I are on the same page. Full circle it ends up back at the same thing though. The characters and designs are based on the toys, which are not based on G1 which then make the book that much less G1 based.

It's actually pretty interesting how Hasbro is still using that old school formula of using a peripherary medium as an extended toy commercial. Except I am at the age where I dont need convincing. I am gonna buy that Armada Starscream because he looks great and that Beast Wars Rattrap because I love Beast Wars. No need to have starscream change body into Armada Starscream and have rattrap show up out of nowhere. I much prefer reading books where the author has a vision that is not obstructed by a higher body telling him/her what to do, which is why I prefer MTMTE of the two.

The fact that Optimus went from wanting to abandon humanity to risking his life to save it again is character development, whether you realize it or not. The fact that Optimus was willing to abandon human kind in the first place is development in itself.

Everyone can say what they want but SlyTF1 can definitely back his statements up! That's as much an ark as most people get in today's blockbusters anyway.

Also, Marvel has never had to make a cheap piss, masterbation or statutory rape joke.

No but they dont miss an opportunity to show us Thor topless. They also called infertile women monsters, that sure was nice of them

Also, that mcguffin statement claimed earlier is hypocrytical for anyone who would attempt to compare the TF franchise to any good action adventure film. I am not saying I love mcguffins, its obviously interesting to see a story attempt to exist without one. But anyone who says TF movies are bad since they rely on mcguffin should also say the same for Star Wars A New Hope, Star Wars The Force Awakens, every single Indiana Jones film and the Maltese Falcon (you know, only one of the best movies of all time).

Also, the original 1986 TF movie also relied on a mcguffin.

[william-james88]

http://movieweb.com/transformers-5-underwater-alien-scene-dump-truck/

Come one man, we already newsed all this, thats how we got this conversation started in the first place. but its ok, maybe you didnt read our news story on the front page. In case you didnt here is the link:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... bed/34489/

[cruizerdave]

Technically it's only a statutory rape joke when viewed through the lens of America as in the UK the age of consent is 16 so had the film be set in the UK, cade at of been unhappy but that's it.

If it were set in Iran, they could have stoned her to death for adultry. But it wasn't set in the UK or Iran. It was set in the United States where banging a 17-year-old while in your 20s is a crime.

My point is they didn't need to address it at all. Overprotective dad is an easy character type, whether she's 17 or 23, it doesn't matter. In all the over the top stupid things in these movies, you're honestly going to argue that it's important for the character motivation for it to be established that she's a minor having sex with an adult?

Hell, just have Cade be unhappy that his daughter is dating the type of douche bag that's constantly making remarks about making out with his daughter to his face. I mean what kind of nitwit has so little respect for his girlfriend's father that he says stuff like that? But that's part of my point about these movies. They are populated with simpletons who lack even basic social skills.

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1. Marvel doesn't have any damn appealing characters. There isn't a single one of them, besides Ultron, and maybe, just maybe Captain America that have any appeal to me.

2. Rape joke? There's no damn rape joke in any of the Transformers movies. Not only that, but I'm sure Guardians of the Galaxy had a masturbation joke.

1. Really? So you find Sam Witwicky, dumbass who's only goal in life is to get laid more appealing than Robert Downey Jr.'s Iron Man, brilliant guy who gets laid, but also has many other layers to him? That says more about your taste than mine.

2. Are you really that naive to not know that the scene where Douche McDrivedrive pulls out the Texas Romeo and Juliet statute out of his wallet that what they are talking about is statutory rape? Because that's what they were talking about and it was supposed to be funny, but it wasn't because it was a grown man talking about his justification for having sex with someone who in the eyes of the law is still a child. Statutory rape.

Also, you're wrong about Guardians, which is a good movie. I watched it with my kids and never had to feel uncomfortable at the low brow humor. The Transformers movies are full of raunchy humor that is in appropriate for children and people with any amount of decorum or class.

Ironic, as they are movies based on a children's toy line.

[butcher31]

Please move on. I honestly try to like the movies, and bits of them are brilliant, but the immature and inconsistent storyline makes it difficult.
Can we get the writers of Beast Wars or Transformers Prime involved? What needs to happen to get Christopher Nolan on board?

[Sabrblade]

The fact that Optimus went from wanting to abandon humanity to risking his life to save it again is character development, whether you realize it or not. The fact that Optimus was willing to abandon human kind in the first place is development in itself.

Not when you look at the bigger picture. Before AOE, Optimus was already in a state where he was risking his life to save humanity, then in AOE he's changed his mind, only for him to then return to how he was before AOE by the movie's conclusion. Character development involves having a character's personal growth taken in forward direction to progress it. What happened with Optimus was that his character progressed in one direction between DOTM and AOE, and then AOE had him revert backward to how he was before that movie's beginning. He went from wanting to save humanity to not wanting to and then back to wanting to. That's not development, that's taking one step forward then one step back and then one step forward again, staying in the same place as he was originally. That's what's called a static character, not a developed character.

What would have been development would be if Optimus had not returned to his wanting to save humanity and instead continued further on his dark path of vengeance and hatred. But since this is Optimus Prime we're talking about here, the main hero of an iconic children's toy franchise, they couldn't do that.

Optimus's change of heart at the start of AOE would have been a great beginning for a new villain character or an anti-hero character, one whom a different character playing the role of the good guy hero would have clashed ideals and philosophies against, making for some potentially excellent/interesting drama and character interaction. But since the idea was used for the role model hero who must remain a good influence for children, it wasn't allowed to be followed through, and rather than being further developed was instead just undone.

Not saying that I wanted Optimus to become more of a bad guy in AOE, mind you, but that because this character idea was used for Optimus instead of someone who could have been allowed to let it play out for, the idea was wasted on someone who couldn't let the idea be realized to its full potential, instead only having the idea merely erased and undone. And because the idea was wasted on Prime, they really shouldn't have tried to do it to Prime in the first place since it just ended with his character stuck in the same place that it's always been in the long run.

[Stuartmaximus]

http://movieweb.com/transformers-5-underwater-alien-scene-dump-truck/

Come one man, we already newsed all this, thats how we got this conversation started in the first place. but its ok, maybe you didnt read our news story on the front page. In case you didnt here is the link:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... bed/34489/

whatd'yamean C'mon man? i've only just yesterday came back on the site after having logging on technical issues! or hasn't Burn told you? &/or don't the Seibertron Staff talk to each other?

[Sabrblade]

http://movieweb.com/transformers-5-underwater-alien-scene-dump-truck/

Come one man, we already newsed all this, thats how we got this conversation started in the first place. but its ok, maybe you didnt read our news story on the front page. In case you didnt here is the link:

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... bed/34489/

whatd'yamean C'mon man? i've only just yesterday came back on the site after having logging on technical issues! or hasn't Burn told you? &/or don't the Seibertron Staff talk to each other?

You posted a news story that was already news'd, and is the present topic of the conversation currently going on in this thread.

[cruizerdave]

Also, Marvel has never had to make a cheap piss, masterbation or statutory rape joke.

1. No but they dont miss an opportunity to show us Thor topless. They also called infertile women monsters, that sure was nice of them

2. Also, that mcguffin statement claimed earlier is hypocrytical for anyone who would attempt to compare the TF franchise to any good action adventure film. I am not saying I love mcguffins, its obviously interesting to see a story attempt to exist without one. But anyone who says TF movies are bad since they rely on mcguffin should also say the same for Star Wars A New Hope, Star Wars The Force Awakens, every single Indiana Jones film and the Maltese Falcon (you know, only one of the best movies of all time).

Also, the original 1986 TF movie also relied on a mcguffin.

1. Um, so what a topless man. Also, they, whoever you think "they" are didn't call Black Widow a monster, that was her expressing feelings about herself due to her insecurity, because she went through with being sterilized so she could become an assassin. The monster comment wasn't because she couldn't have kids, it was because of the dark path she chose as a young woman that resulted in her not being able to.

2. There is good McGuffin and bad McGuffin. The word "rosebud" was an example of good McGuffin in Citizen Kane, widely regarded as even better than the Maltese Falcon, which is also a personal favorite.
The All-Spark, not so much. Because the way they beat the bad guy at the end was by pushing it into his chest. They spent the last third of the movie fighting to keep the All-Spark away from Megatron, and in the end, Sam lightly pushes it toward Megatron's chest and it kills him. Why fight at all? Why not just hand it to him and let him do himself in? Why didn't it kill Bumblebee when it was inside of him while in car mode? How is this thing that magically makes machines turn into living Transformers deadly? The rules were very inconsistent.

[Mr_Autobot411]

brother, i so kindly disagree with u, it took a massive step backwards for me, it didnt adress anything better then the first 3. u stated urself the writing was terrible, that alone speaks volumes as to how bad it was. the dino were mis used, the acting all around was brutal esp the daughter, though markey mark prolly started in his worst acting role ever. it was all over the place as a film, galvatron well.......ill just stop here.

So it's a faithful adaption to the awful G1 cartoon just with swears and slightly adult content like all blockbuster movies these days.


G1 cartoon was horrible let it die and stop limiting imagination in Hasbro's storys due to fans hating everything not G1.

Part of why mtmte is good only thing G1 is robot design.

I love g1, but thats not the movie i wanted to see, i wanted to see a modern take, and the desgins were def a modern take. the story, the directing, the lack of character development killed it for me, the writing was god awful. I never once stated i wanted to see a G1 movie, just stating the fact they are horrible films imo for the reasons stated.Its Kinda like how i loved star wars, i grew up to those movies, but when i saw the TFA i was so disspointed they pretty much remade a new hope i wanted to see something new in the star wars not rehashing something for 1977, i def want new approach but good. Kinda like how TF prime to me was the perfect update to what the g1 was, it was fresh, new story arc and wicked upgrades to arcee, wheeljack, and just when u though megs couldnt be more a bad ass, he did in prime. Anyways thats just imo. Peace

[cruizerdave]

The fact that Optimus went from wanting to abandon humanity to risking his life to save it again is character development, whether you realize it or not. The fact that Optimus was willing to abandon human kind in the first place is development in itself.

Not when you look at the bigger picture. Before AOE, Optimus was already in a state where he was risking his life to save humanity, then in AOE he's changed his mind, only for him to then return to how he was before AOE by the movie's conclusion. Character development involves having a character's personal growth taken in forward direction to progress it. What happened with Optimus was that his character progressed in one direction between DOTM and AOE, and then AOE had him revert backward to how he was before that movie's beginning. He went from wanting to save humanity to not wanting to and then back to wanting to. That's not development, that's taking one step forward then one step back and then one step forward again, staying in the same place as he was originally. That's what's called a static character, not a developed character.

What would have been development would be if Optimus had not returned to his wanting to save humanity and instead continued further on his dark path of vengeance and hatred. But since this is Optimus Prime we're talking about here, the main hero of an iconic children's toy franchise, they couldn't do that.

Optimus's change of heart at the start of AOE would have been a great beginning for a new villain character or an anti-hero character, one whom a different character playing the role of the good guy hero would have clashed ideals and philosophies against, making for some potentially excellent/interesting drama and character interaction. But since the idea was used for the role model hero who must remain a good influence for children, it wasn't allowed to be followed through, and rather than being further developed was instead just undone.

Not saying that I wanted Optimus to become more of a bad guy in AOE, mind you, but that because this character idea was used for Optimus instead of someone who could have been allowed to let it play out for, the idea was wasted on someone who couldn't let the idea be realized to its full potential, instead only having the idea merely erased and undone. And because the idea was wasted on Prime, they really shouldn't have tried to do it to Prime in the first place since it just ended with his character stuck in the same place that it's always been in the long run.

Yes! So much this.

[william-james88]

whatd'yamean C'mon man? i've only just yesterday came back on the site after having logging on technical issues! or hasn't Burn told you? &/or don't the Seibertron Staff talk to each other?

Our weekly brunch is on sundays, I am sure he will bring it up then.

1. No but they dont miss an opportunity to show us Thor topless. They also called infertile women monsters, that sure was nice of them

1. Um, so what a topless man. Also, they, whoever you think "they" are didn't call Black Widow a monster, that was her expressing feelings about herself due to her insecurity, because she went through with being sterilized so she could become an assassin. The monster comment wasn't because she couldn't have kids, it was because of the dark path she chose as a young woman that resulted in her not being able to.

"they" are both the screen writer, and the producers (which happen to all be male in this case). Those marvel films are scrutinized and every line is checked over by quite a few people. If they wanted to steer clear from any misunderstanding, they should have not mentioned that monster comment after the reveal of infertility. Doesn't matter what they meant by it, it is still an error on their part and a public's understanding/perception is jut as valid as authorial intent. Either they meant to include her infertility as part of her monstrosity or they made an editorial and script error. I am baffled this wasnt caught by anyone on the production team. Both are mistakes either way.

Also I would much rather see robot on robot violence than Chris Hemsworth topless again. But thats just me.

Kinda like how TF prime to me was the perfect update to what the g1 was, it was fresh, new story arc and wicked upgrades to arcee, wheeljack, and just when u though megs couldnt be more a bad ass, he did in prime. Anyways thats just imo. Peace

I love your opinion, Preach on!

[Burn]

whatd'yamean C'mon man? i've only just yesterday came back on the site after having logging on technical issues! or hasn't Burn told you? &/or don't the Seibertron Staff talk to each other?

Our weekly brunch is on sundays, I am sure he will bring it up then.

Hey guys, can't make it this Sunday, FYI, Stuartmaximus is having problems logging in (apparently it's a conspiracy by a certain Admin who won't be named to not let him log on, but he'll totally apologise if it's not), I'm still waiting for him to shoot an e-mail to forums@seibertron.com so I can help him fix things.
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Back to your regularly scheduled Michael Bay hating!

[Deadput]

If only Transformers prime went any where and had good characters the show would of been good.


I prefer violent Movie Optimus to bland Prime Optimus at least violent Prime is entertaining to watch.

[Deadput]

•Porny shots of faked baked women in skimpy outfits.



To me watching these films (well the first one's not as bad as the others) is the cinematic equivalent of slamming my head into a metal door repeatedly. They're loud, every character is obnoxious, they have no theme, they make no sense and their story structure is nonexistent.

If you think my problems are those of a whiner, pull up Rottentomatoes sometime and read some of the reviews there. My problems with these films aren't fanboy Transformer problems, they are fundamental storytelling problems.

1: What do you expect with most men being perverts It's in most movie hell ever Marvel films to a small extent.



2: The films have flaws but saying their as bad as slamming your head into a metal door is over exaggerating it.




3. If someone says that Rottentomatoes is a reliable source they lose credibility to me and not just with Transformers but in general.



Transformers is not and never will be Shakespeare it's an adaption to half baked children's toy commercial seeing Transformers having story telling potential as Star wars, Star Trek, Walking Dead, Breaking Bad, Citizen Kane or even the Marvel films will never understand on how ridiculous the idea of Transformers is to a general person who isn't a fan.



I'm done here for now I'm not going to waste my sanity with arguing plus I can't ever speak what I'm trying to say anyways so my argument here is probably going to look arrogant and rude which is not the intention it's a brain to mouth thing if you understand what I mean.

[Stuartmaximus]

erm....why would i need to email anybody? as i'm back on the site!

so in that case........what needs fixing?