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[william-james88]

Anyone got a link? I mean I'm sure it'll be Optimus and Starscream using the 7 chaose emeralds mini-cons to sell their new toys power up before going back to the status quo Cybertron, but I need to see how this turns out.

Just scroll up 5 posts or so.

I thought this was great. These last three episodes are what I would show any fan of Prime if they were curious about RID. It is also great fiction to back up a toyline which is what fans find missing in generations.

[o.supreme]

I cant quite put my finger on it, but something about this episode just wasn't quite as good as all the ones leading up to it, with seven episodes left still to go in season 2, I don't know why they had to shove this mini-arch all into 6 episodes...I guess we will find out in time. For all that Starscream kept obsessing about Megatron, I half expected them to perhaps show him in the end. I'm hoping perhaps the next batch will take place on Cybertron, perhaps covering whatever Optimus is investigating before heading into season 3. Still dince megatron supposedly "ended" the Decepticons, which clearly didn't stick, I wonder what his place is in the aligned continuity currently.

[william-james88]

How do we know there will be more episodes to season 2? This looked like the end of it with Season 3 in 2017.

[o.supreme]

Just a strong hunch. 13 or 26 episode seasons are the norm...not 19, but then again, I know CN does very little "normal" these days. It seems to me whatever Prime is hinting at going on with Cybertron, doesn't seem to fit the combiner gimmick of season 3.

[Sabrblade]

How do we know there will be more episodes to season 2? This looked like the end of it with Season 3 in 2017.

I concur. This declares RID seasons 1-2 to be "45 x 22 minutes or 42 x 22 minutes and 1 x 65 minutes", which is what the 26 season 1 episodes, the 13 season 2 episodes, and these six additional episodes would add together up to be, with the last three of these six being a serialized three-parter able to work as a TV movie.

And this supports the above's statement of "45x22 min."

And this refers to these six episodes as a "TV Special Event".


Not to mention how this whole thing felt like an afterthought, what with its going out of its way to avoid making any changes to the status quo as seen at the end of "Decepticon Island", all of the Scavengers being made from recycling preexisting character models as a cost-saving measure, and the fact that "Decepticon Island" essentially resolved everything that was set up at the very beginning of the show.

These six episodes, as entertaining as they were, just feel like filler material simply meant to have something to advertise the Fall 2016 RID toys with the barest minimum of necessary effort put into them. They didn't even take Steeljaw out of the theme song sequence despite his having been defeated before and not appearing in these episodes.

[william-james88]

all of the Scavengers being made from recycling preexisting character models as a cost-saving measure

Do you think the Bounty Hunters were also recycled? I know one was Hardshell but not sure about the others.

[Sabrblade]

all of the Scavengers being made from recycling preexisting character models as a cost-saving measure

Do you think the Bounty Hunters were also recycled? I know one was Hardshell but not sure about the others.

Thanks for the reminder! They too were made from recycled models. Shadelock used a Vehicon body with Prime Megatron's shoulders, Roughedge used the body-type of the museum guards from the pilot episode, and the Insecticon was just a Prime Insection model wholesale.

[Kurona]

Weirdly enough, Roughedge is the one thing I wish they'd expanded on. Would have been so interesting to see why an Autobot decided to go all bounty hunter and possibly could have jibed well with what they're leading up to on Cybertron.

[Sabrblade]

Weirdly enough, Roughedge is the one thing I wish they'd expanded on. Would have been so interesting to see why an Autobot decided to go all bounty hunter and possibly could have jibed well with what they're leading up to on Cybertron.

That those three were as enigmatic as they were also ties in with the "barest minimum effort" part I mentioned.

[Kurona]

Weirdly enough, Roughedge is the one thing I wish they'd expanded on. Would have been so interesting to see why an Autobot decided to go all bounty hunter and possibly could have jibed well with what they're leading up to on Cybertron.

That those three were as enigmatic as they were also ties in with the "barest minimum effort" part I mentioned.

Yeah, a criticism I fully agree with. I know a lot of people loved the last few episodes, but when I watched them I just... kinda didn't feel anything.

[Sabrblade]

Weirdly enough, Roughedge is the one thing I wish they'd expanded on. Would have been so interesting to see why an Autobot decided to go all bounty hunter and possibly could have jibed well with what they're leading up to on Cybertron.

That those three were as enigmatic as they were also ties in with the "barest minimum effort" part I mentioned.

Yeah, a criticism I fully agree with. I know a lot of people loved the last few episodes, but when I watched them I just... kinda didn't feel anything.

It honestly felt to me like when Starcream showed up, the Scavengers and all the time spent with them in the previous episodes were rendered entirely pointless. It was a lot like how Megatronus's arrival cast aside all the importance of Steeljaw and his Pack, but only worse here since the Scavengers never really made the same impression that Steeljaw made and now there's practically no guarantees of us ever seeing the Scavengers again. In the end, they were little more than fodder villains whose only real purpose was to give some reason for the Mini-Cons being on the run on Earth.

[Kurona]

Weirdly enough, Roughedge is the one thing I wish they'd expanded on. Would have been so interesting to see why an Autobot decided to go all bounty hunter and possibly could have jibed well with what they're leading up to on Cybertron.

That those three were as enigmatic as they were also ties in with the "barest minimum effort" part I mentioned.

Yeah, a criticism I fully agree with. I know a lot of people loved the last few episodes, but when I watched them I just... kinda didn't feel anything.

It honestly felt to me like when Starcream showed up, the Scavengers and all the time spent with them in the previous episodes were rendered entirely pointless. It was a lot like how Megatronus's arrival cast aside all the importance of Steeljaw and his Pack, but only worse here since the Scavengers never really made the same impression that Steeljaw made and now there's practically no guarantees of us ever seeing the Scavengers again. In the end, they were little more than fodder villains whose only real purpose was to give some reason for the Mini-Cons being on the run on Earth.

I'm still not entirely sure what the point of the Scavengers was. They could easily just have put new toys Paralon and Scatterspike on Starscream's team and have the whole thing lead up to him rather than putting half the episodes' focus on these random guys with no impact.

[william-james88]

I dont know about you guys, but satisfying fictionor not, I would love to get those bounty hunters as toys, that would at least give us a voyager Prime insecticon

[o.supreme]

I'd say its a criticism of the series as a whole, or at least since season two started. The "Leaders" Scorponok, Saberhorn & Glwostrike, we barely got to know before Steeljaw just punked them. At least the Scavengers each kind of got their own episode, but Starscream's team we almost knew nothing about, would have really liked to learn more about Roughedge & Shadelock (The first Vehicon with a personality). The Insecticon I don't even think ever spoke, or even had a name, must have just been a drone, not like Hardshell.

[Sabrblade]

Weirdly enough, Roughedge is the one thing I wish they'd expanded on. Would have been so interesting to see why an Autobot decided to go all bounty hunter and possibly could have jibed well with what they're leading up to on Cybertron.

That those three were as enigmatic as they were also ties in with the "barest minimum effort" part I mentioned.

Yeah, a criticism I fully agree with. I know a lot of people loved the last few episodes, but when I watched them I just... kinda didn't feel anything.

It honestly felt to me like when Starcream showed up, the Scavengers and all the time spent with them in the previous episodes were rendered entirely pointless. It was a lot like how Megatronus's arrival cast aside all the importance of Steeljaw and his Pack, but only worse here since the Scavengers never really made the same impression that Steeljaw made and now there's practically no guarantees of us ever seeing the Scavengers again. In the end, they were little more than fodder villains whose only real purpose was to give some reason for the Mini-Cons being on the run on Earth.

I'm still not entirely sure what the point of the Scavengers was. They could easily just have put new toys Paralon and Scatterspike on Starscream's team and have the whole thing lead up to him rather than putting half the episodes' focus on these random guys with no impact.

Like I said, they were a means to get the Mini-Con refugees hiding out on Earth. Not that it was well-handled means, but it did the job it was set out to do, even if it meant wasting the Scavengers' relevance.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I thought it was a pretty good episode. Wonder if those old friends of Prime happen to be a certain group of Autobots that survived Prime and have yet to make an appearance...

[Sabrblade]

I thought it was a pretty good episode. Wonder if those old friends of Prime happen to be a certain group of Autobots that survived Prime and have yet to make an appearance...

Two guesses on that. Either some of the members of Team Prime, or... the reformed Megatron.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I thought it was a pretty good episode. Wonder if those old friends of Prime happen to be a certain group of Autobots that survived Prime and have yet to make an appearance...

Two guesses on that. Either some of the members of Team Prime, or... the reformed Megatron.

Possible... his voice actor was confirmed to be doing some voices

[Sabrblade]

I thought it was a pretty good episode. Wonder if those old friends of Prime happen to be a certain group of Autobots that survived Prime and have yet to make an appearance...

Two guesses on that. Either some of the members of Team Prime, or... the reformed Megatron.

Possible... his voice actor was confirmed to be doing some voices

Though, wouldn't it be outrageous (in a good way) if the old friends that Bee knew turned out to be Rescue Force Sigma-17?

[o.supreme]

Possible... his voice actor was confirmed to be doing some voices. Though, wouldn't it be outrageous (in a good way) if the old friends that Bee knew turned out to be Rescue Force Sigma-17?

I could see that. RB is *most likely* ending. I'm sure most young kids have probably transitioned over to RiD15 already, my son did last year. But it would be like a nice handing of the baton like "ok kiddies you've now graduated. Time to move on to something a little more mature...but not too mature"

[Sabrblade]

One other thing that makes these six episodes stand out from the others is how blatantly obvious they were made to specifically advertise the new Power Surge and Clash of the TFs toys. At first glance, this doesn't seem that abnormal since TF fiction has always existed To Sell Toys, but in this case, it IS odd since this show (like with the movies, Animated, and Prime) has had its character cartoon model designs made first while the toys based on those designs get made second, meaning the show ends up promoting toys of characters who were first made as cartoon models for the show before they were turned into toys. But with these six episodes, they're instead advertising toys of characters that were already made into toy form before they were put into the show, which instead matches more closely how things were done in most of the pre-2007 series, where the toy designs came first and would get turned into cartoon models afterward.

[william-james88]

One other thing that makes these six episodes stand out from the others is how blatantly obvious they were made to specifically advertise the new Power Surge and Clash of the TFs toys. At first glance, this doesn't seem that abnormal since TF fiction has always existed To Sell Toys, but in this case, it IS odd since this show (like with the movies, Animated, and Prime) has had its character cartoon model designs made first while the toys based on those designs get made second, meaning the show ends up promoting toys of characters who were first made as cartoon models for the show before they were turned into toys. But with these six episodes, they're instead advertising toys of characters that were already made into toy form before they were put into the show, which instead matches more closely how things were done in most of the pre-2007 series, where the toy designs came first and would get turned into cartoon models afterward.

Well, could it be that the toys were made before? We know that beast hunters brought back the idea of toys being made first, maybe that carried into RID. The character designs for the minicons were spot on with the toys in this season so I can only guess that the toys did indeed come first and this season was made to sell this powerizer subline.

I didnt mind, it felt like Armada done right (Oh no he DIDNT!

[Sabrblade]

One other thing that makes these six episodes stand out from the others is how blatantly obvious they were made to specifically advertise the new Power Surge and Clash of the TFs toys. At first glance, this doesn't seem that abnormal since TF fiction has always existed To Sell Toys, but in this case, it IS odd since this show (like with the movies, Animated, and Prime) has had its character cartoon model designs made first while the toys based on those designs get made second, meaning the show ends up promoting toys of characters who were first made as cartoon models for the show before they were turned into toys. But with these six episodes, they're instead advertising toys of characters that were already made into toy form before they were put into the show, which instead matches more closely how things were done in most of the pre-2007 series, where the toy designs came first and would get turned into cartoon models afterward.

Well, could it be that the toys were made before? We know that beast hunters brought back the idea of toys being made first, maybe that carried into RID. The character designs for the minicons were spot on with the toys in this season so I can only guess that the toys did indeed come first and this season was made to sell this powerizer subline.

That's... what I just said. The toys that these six episodes were promoting were already on the market before these episodes came out, whereas every character from the first two seasons who got their own toys ended up getting made into toy form after (sometimes even LONG after) they appeared in the cartoon.

Also, "powerizer"?

[william-james88]

Also, "powerizer"?

Porte-manteau for Power Surge and Weaponizer

And I actually really like when the show is made to sell toys. Its really old school, but its fun to see the toys I bought interact on the screen.

[Kurona]

I just prefer when it's done well, like Beast Wars. Or Animated. Or...
... actually that's about it.