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[Sabrblade]

TV cartoons typically take 9-12 months to produce. When they're not ADR/post dubbed (ala Armada, Energon, Cybertron), the voice recording comes first (per Beast Wars, Beast Machines). If Zimmer is currently or recently recording Strongarm, the implication is that next year a new season (or other incarnation, e.g.: movie) would appear.

Yeah, so, the recordings for the Fall episodes should be done by now, so I guess Kirk Van Wormer was serious when he said that he was storyboarding for "Season 4".

In other words, WOOO, Season 4's coming, guys!

[PrymeStriker]

TV cartoons typically take 9-12 months to produce. When they're not ADR/post dubbed (ala Armada, Energon, Cybertron), the voice recording comes first (per Beast Wars, Beast Machines). If Zimmer is currently or recently recording Strongarm, the implication is that next year a new season (or other incarnation, e.g.: movie) would appear.

Yeah, so, the recordings for the Fall episodes should be done by now, so I guess Kirk Van Wormer was serious when he said that he was storyboarding for "Season 4".

In other words, WOOO, Season 4's coming, guys!

Respectfully, I must reply to this deduction with a very modest

HELL YEAH!

[psj333]

Now that Season 3 has been confirmed for this Fall, will Bumblebee's voice actor, Will Friedle, finally get to voice a Decepticon for the new season?

[Sabrblade]

Now that Season 3 has been confirmed for this Fall, will Bumblebee's voice actor, Will Friedle, finally get to voice a Decepticon for the new season?

What do you mean "finally"? He's already voiced a Decepticon. He voiced Chop Shop's component Righty.

[psj333]

What do you mean "finally"? He's already voiced a Decepticon. He voiced Chop Shop's component Righty.

Righty doesn't speak nor he has any dialogue for the role. Also, he is not a Decepticon, but a Minicon. Deal with it!.

[Sabrblade]

What do you mean "finally"? He's already voiced a Decepticon. He voiced Chop Shop's component Righty.

Righty doesn't speak nor he has any dialogue for the role. Also, he is not a Decepticon, but a Minicon. Deal with it!.

Go watch the show again. He has a voice. He makes noises. Cackling noises. Those were done by Will Friedle. That counts as a voice role. Friedle's even credited for it in the show's end credits. YOU deal with it.

Also, Mini-Cons are faction-aligned. He's a Decepticon, and treated as one by this show.

Also also, what is your source for labeling him a Mini-Con? The show never did that.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Yeah, chop shop was a combiner decepticon. he was never labelled a minicon

[psj333]

I'm sure that most of you do already know that the Decepticons for this show have mostly animal robot modes and vehicle modes, while a few of them still do retained their original Beast Wars transformations, that is: humanoid robot modes and beast modes. Which brings me to say that should Hasbro decides to introduce a spy character (excluding Shifters) for Season 3, is it likely that they might possibly introduce a character that has two robot modes, and two alt modes, just like the one in Animated way back in 2008? We all do know that Shockwave or Longarm as he was called by the Autobots has two human robot modes and two vehicle modes. With that said, I was just wondering if they can use this same concept for Robots In Disguise in the near future, mostly likely in Season 3, or quite possibly even in Season 4. Only this time, however, they will most likely introduce a character that has either one human robot mode, one animal robot mode, and one vehicle mode, or even better, that is, two human robot modes, one beast mode, and one vehicle mode? I mean, how cool would that be for a spy character like that in Robots In Disguise for Season 3 and Season 4? What are your thoughts? Why and why not?

[Optimum Supreme]

Are Vehicons the new Seekers? Maybe someday we'll get a bunch of those multicolored Vehicons as new figures... That'd be cool.

Was Grimlock's new disguise supposed to be a reference to the other RiD Grimlock? I know I certainly thought of that guy, even if it's not an exact match.

[Kurona]

Are Vehicons the new Seekers? Maybe someday we'll get a bunch of those multicolored Vehicons as new figures... That'd be cool.

Was Grimlock's new disguise supposed to be a reference to the other RiD Grimlock? I know I certainly thought of that guy, even if it's not an exact match.

It was meant to be a reference, yeah. To be fair RiD Grimlock is also the only other Grimlock that's green and speaks in full sentences, so this was just completing the reference it seems.

If by 'new seekers' you mean cannon fodder that come out of nowhere just so the Autobots have something to punch... yeah, I guess so. I doubt we'll get those Vehicons tbh since they played so minor a role - and if they get a new non-redeco figure before friggin' Glowstrike and Saberhorn I just give up.

[WiseMan]

So I saw the first part of Decepticon Island.

Here's my big, GIANT problem with it:

The Autobots mention that they don't have time to call Cybertron and get a strike team there in time to help them. I've always hated the fact that they've completely ignored Unit E's space bridge, but this was the last straw. Optimus, Bumblebee, and Ratchet are all there and they've all used it! And it would literally do exactly what they just said couldn't be done! Ratchet's appearance gave them the perfect chance to explain what happened to it; they could have one-lined it away with a "too bad Unit E's space bridge was dismantled" or something, and they didn't do it.

Don't get me wrong, I like the show, but the only way I can watch it is as a sequel to events that happened similar to, but not exactly like, Prime, the same way you have to look at the Aligned books, comics, and games. Because otherwise, if you take RiD as a direct sequel to Prime, the way it's billed, Unicron could fit through the plot holes.

[PrymeStriker]

So I saw the first part of Decepticon Island.

Here's my big, GIANT problem with it:

The Autobots mention that they don't have time to call Cybertron and get a strike team there in time to help them. I've always hated the fact that they've completely ignored Unit E's space bridge, but this was the last straw. Optimus, Bumblebee, and Ratchet are all there and they've all used it! And it would literally do exactly what they just said couldn't be done! Ratchet's appearance gave them the perfect chance to explain what happened to it; they could have one-lined it away with a "too bad Unit E's space bridge was dismantled" or something, and they didn't do it.

Don't get me wrong, I like the show, but the only way I can watch it is as a sequel to events that happened similar to, but not exactly like, Prime, the same way you have to look at the Aligned books, comics, and games. Because otherwise, if you take RiD as a direct sequel to Prime, the way it's billed, Unicron could fit through the plot holes.

We don't know how much time has passed on Earth between Prime and RiD. Both Bumblebee and Ratchet have considerably aged since the previous series, and there certainly had to be time for Cybertron to massively repopulate the way it did by the time of Pilot (Part 1), let-alone for Strongarm, Sideswipe, and the Minicons to be born and for a new council to be established. That stuff just doesn't happen overnight. Unit: E could be roof-deep in sand and Jack, Miko, and Raf could be long dead.

[Kurona]

>when you want to read but your phone won't let you highlight the spoiler tag

I think it was stated 10 years had passed. If the question was about "why don't they just call unit:e/fowler/etc."... That's a bit of a problem I've had with the series as a whole. The criticism can be applied the momemt Bumblebee stepped on Earth in Pilot Part 1.

[PrymeStriker]

>when you want to read but your phone won't let you highlight the spoiler tag

I think it was stated 10 years had passed. If the question was about "why don't they just call unit:e/fowler/etc."... That's a bit of a problem I've had with the series as a whole. The criticism can be applied the momemt Bumblebee stepped on Earth in Pilot Part 1.

I'd like to see a source for that, honestly. Because every official announcement regarding the series I've ever seen has given a vague time period like "years after" or "set some time after the events of". The Unicron Trilogy set each of their shows 10 years after the last, but this isn't Energon.

Also, I'd honestly be shocked and disturbed that Strongarm is 10 years old, or younger.

[WiseMan]

We don't know how much time has passed on Earth between Prime and RiD. Both Bumblebee and Ratchet have considerably aged since the previous series, and there certainly had to be time for Cybertron to massively repopulate the way it did by the time of Pilot (Part 1), let-alone for Strongarm, Sideswipe, and the Minicons to be born and for a new council to be established. That stuff just doesn't happen overnight. Unit: E could be roof-deep in sand and Jack, Miko, and Raf could be long dead.

Cybertron would have been repopulated seconds after the ending of Predacons Rising; otherwise all of those sparks would have just died. Though it would have take time to rebuild Cybertron.

And call me crazy, but if I had an artifact like the space bridge that was my only hope to save myself against an alien incursion like the one that just happened, I'd be pretty damn sure to make sure it doesn't get lost.

[Kurona]

Also, I'd honestly be shocked and disturbed that Strongarm is 10 years old, or younger.

I mean, that sort of thing happens all thr time in Transformers and no-one blinks an eye - probably because they're robots.
The dinobots, stunticons and quite a few others back in G1, Airazor was implied in Beast Wars; eveb as recent as Wreck-Gar and the Constructicons in Animated.
It's really nothing new. It sounds and feels weird sure, but likely because it's the first time you've really actually thought and stated to yourself "... Wait, that would make her ten years old."

In any case, I'm not actually sure if it is ten years, was just going by memory. I don't really think it was enough time for Raf to have lived his whole life though, and you'd think something on the subject would have been said by now.

[PrymeStriker]

Also, I'd honestly be shocked and disturbed that Strongarm is 10 years old, or younger.

I mean, that sort of thing happens all thr time in Transformers and no-one blinks an eye - probably because they're robots.
The dinobots, stunticons and quite a few others back in G1, Airazor was implied in Beast Wars; eveb as recent as Wreck-Gar and the Constructicons in Animated.
It's really nothing new. It sounds and feels weird sure, but likely because it's the first time you've really actually thought and stated to yourself "... Wait, that would make her ten years old."

In any case, I'm not actually sure if it is ten years, was just going by memory. I don't really think it was enough time for Raf to have lived his whole life though, and you'd think something on the subject would have been said by now.

Yes, but in the Aligned universe (at least the cartoon universe), natural cybertronians are born, not built on an assembly line like anyone from G1. Meaning Strongarm would likely be wielding a "My First Blaster" if she was 10 years old. Another example of this universe's characters aging is Slipstream, who was a whining preschool child in "The Tragedy of Slipstream" when a Cyclone stole his toy ball.

My point is, with the Earth bridge, it's all very vague. Nobody said the Prime humans are still around, so to expect them to be integrated anywhere is expecting too much. Also, I don't think it's a plot hole, 'cause it's not really contradictory. It's just open-ended. Wanna talk plot holes between Prime and RiD? Let's complain about Windblade's backstory some more.

[Sabrblade]

Transformer ages in relation to their births are all really one big kerfuffle when you think about it.

Going by just the Beast Wars cartoon, Tigatron was "born" an old man while youngster teenage Cheetor was "older" than him.

Animated had both an adult Ratchet and a teenage Prowl alive during the Great War, a time that Optimus Prime didn't yet live to experience. Yet, while Ratchet is even older an adult during the present day era of the Animated cartoon, Prowl is still only a teen bot (probably a late teen by this point) while the "younger" Optimus Prime is Prowl's senior as a young adult.

And then we have the Aligned versions of Optimus Prime and Megatron. Optimus's first reincarnation resulted in him being born from the Well of All Sparks as the young bot Orion Pax, and as one of the first generation of bipedal Cybertronians near the beginning of the Age of Evolution. Eons later, the bot who would become Megatron was born from the Well during the Age of Wrath, long after Orion Pax was born. And yet, by the time the two come to meet each other during the Age of Rust, Orion is perceived as being "Megatronus's" junior, with the former looking up to the latter as the more seasoned bot, suggesting that Megatron was born from the well as an adult rather than born as a young bot like Orion was.

Thus, for all we know, Strongarm could have been born as a much older bot than Slipstream was.

[PrymeStriker]

Transformer ages in relation to their births are all really one big kerfuffle when you think about it.

Going by just the Beast Wars cartoon, Tigatron was "born" an old man while youngster teenage Cheetor was "older" than him.

Animated had both an adult Ratchet and a teenage Prowl alive during the Great War, a time that Optimus Prime didn't yet live to experience. Yet, while Ratchet is even older an adult during the present day era of the Animated cartoon, Prowl is still only a teen bot (probably a late teen by this point) while the "younger" Optimus Prime is Prowl's senior as a young adult.

And then we have the Aligned versions of Optimus Prime and Megatron. Optimus's first reincarnation resulted in him being born from the Well of All Sparks as the young bot Orion Pax, and as one of the first generation of bipedal Cybertronians near the beginning of the Age of Evolution. Eons later, the bot who would become Megatron was born from the Well during the Age of Wrath, long after Orion Pax was born. And yet, by the time the two come to meet each other during the Age of Rust, Orion is perceived as being "Megatronus's" junior, with the former looking up to the latter as the more seasoned bot, suggesting that Megatron was born from the well as an adult rather than born as a young bot like Orion was.

Thus, for all we know, Strongarm could have been born as a much older bot than Slipstream was.

Interesting assessment on the Orion/Megatronus points. I guess, in the end, we just don't know what's going on in terms of time period on RiD, and thus the fate of our Prime humans and the Unit: E bridge is vastly unknown. Therefore, the best response to your complaint, WiseMan, is the show's not over yet. There's still plenty of time to explain that, and you should probably only get "pissed" if they never do so. It personally never bothered me, though. I'd say just take the finale for everything else that it is and don't hang yourself on that icing-on-the-cake that it could've been. A while back, I'd ruin shows for myself over expecting so much. Besides, the season two finale kicks multiple asses. The return of Ratchet, better pacing in relationship to the season one finale, fantastic Optimus/Bumblebee development, and the possible beginning of a new, interesting story.

[psj333]

Well, at last! There you all are! Where have you've guys been? I've been waiting for almost a week just for you to say something. Now we do already know that Season 3 will be airing this fall, there are some few things that we all need to discuss, no matter who is right or wrong. Okay. Let's get this things started. Now that Steeljaw's army have been jailed and taken back to Cybertron, who is going to be the next main bad guy for Season 3 as a successor to Steeljaw? Will Hssbro also introduce brand-new Decepticons for both Seasons 3 and 4 who will have god-like powers, that is, as powerful as Unicron or Primus?

Another thing that we need to talk about is you might remember Shockwave from Animated who was known to the Autobots as Longarm. He had 2 humanoid robot modes, and 2 vehicle modes. Using this exact same concept by Hasbro, I do have a strong prediction that somewhere between Season 3 or 4, Hasbro will very likely introduce a spy Transformer either for the Autobots or Decepticons that will most likely have 2 humanoid robot modes, 1 beast mode, and 1 vehicle mode. How cool would that be? I do understand that some animal Decepticons only have a humanoid robot mode and a beast mode, but no vehicle mode. Fine, I get that! But what if they have an additional altmode, which is the vehicle mode? What would that be like? Tell me what you guys think.

[Sabrblade]

Well, at last! There you all are! Where have you've guys been?

In other threads on this board, as there's plenty more relevant stuff to talk about here than just this cartoon. With no new episodes until the Fall, and no recent news about the show, there's not much else current to discuss about it.

[o.supreme]

and the possible beginning of a new, interesting story

I didn't get that from the last episode at all. It was left rather blasé. If we didn't get some sort of confirmation at BC that more episodes were coming, there were no indicators based on the last episode that the series would continue. It just sort of *ended* as unsatisfying and anti-climactic as it was. I still say this is *really* a continuation of S2, more than S3, but whatever...hopefully the new episodes will have a better storyline than the previous batch of 13, not that there weren't some good moments, but overall it just kind of fell flat.

[Kurona]

Well, at last! There you all are! Where have you've guys been? I've been waiting for almost a week just for you to say something. Now we do already know that Season 3 will be airing this fall, there are some few things that we all need to discuss, no matter who is right or wrong. Okay. Let's get this things started. Now that Steeljaw's army have been jailed and taken back to Cybertron, who is going to be the next main bad guy for Season 3 as a successor to Steeljaw? Will Hssbro also introduce brand-new Decepticons for both Seasons 3 and 4 who will have god-like powers, that is, as powerful as Unicron or Primus?

Another thing that we need to talk about is you might remember Shockwave from Animated who was known to the Autobots as Longarm. He had 2 humanoid robot modes, and 2 vehicle modes. Using this exact same concept by Hasbro, I do have a strong prediction that somewhere between Season 3 or 4, Hasbro will very likely introduce a spy Transformer either for the Autobots or Decepticons that will most likely have 2 humanoid robot modes, 1 beast mode, and 1 vehicle mode. How cool would that be? I do understand that some animal Decepticons only have a humanoid robot mode and a beast mode, but no vehicle mode. Fine, I get that! But what if they have an additional altmode, which is the vehicle mode? What would that be like? Tell me what you guys think.

Beyond just wild speculation out of nowhere and going "wouldn't this be cool?" as you have done, there isn't really much to discuss about the future of the series to any meaningful end until we have actual information.

[PrymeStriker]

and the possible beginning of a new, interesting story

I didn't get that from the last episode at all. It was left rather blasé. If we didn't get some sort of confirmation at BC that more episodes were coming, there were no indicators based on the last episode that the series would continue. It just sort of *ended* as unsatisfying and anti-climactic as it was. I still say this is *really* a continuation of S2, more than S3, but whatever...hopefully the new episodes will have a better storyline than the previous batch of 13, not that there weren't some good moments, but overall it just kind of fell flat.

The Cybertron council regime isn't the possible beginning of a new, interesting story? 'Cause I'm pretty sure most people got the vibe that they're going to focus on that next season at some point at the very least. Also, faux definitive endings are going to be common place in every finale because the writers are never sure Cartoon Network will allow them to continue another season. I certainly felt by the end of season two that more was to come, and never assumed that there was no "next season". I think the announcement was already out by the time it aired anyway?

[o.supreme]

The Cybertron council regime isn't the possible beginning of a new, interesting story? 'Cause I'm pretty sure most people got the vibe that they're going to focus on that next season at some point at the very least. Also, faux definitive endings are going to be common place in every finale because the writers are never sure Cartoon Network will allow them to continue another season. I certainly felt by the end of season two that more was to come, and never assumed that there was no "next season". I think the announcement was already out by the time it aired anyway?

I just watched episode 39 again to see if there was anything I missed since it was several weeks ago. Well there was...but it is more of a detraction than an improvement. What was with Simacore? Random color change, and complete different personality, and apparently voiced by John DiMaggio now? Normally I would chalk it up to the fact that there were so many cons with similar body types, but the fact that he went after Grimlock for his "trophy" clearly indicated it was a callback from episode 32 "Brainpower". DiMaggio is a great VA, but I'm sorry, none of that made sense.

The one throw away line you are referring to is hardly enough to get me excited. At the end of Season 1, Megatronus was soundly defeated and Steeljaw was thrown far off (ala Galvatron in TF:TM or even Serpentor in GIJoe:TM) so you knew he would return, with his team... something to look forward to.

Thus far, the focus of RiD15 has been on BB's team on Earth, which now has basically nothing going on. If however...the focus of the show were to switch to Optimus Prime & Cybertron, that would be amazing...but I don't see that happening considering how hard they tried to build the series around BB. Of course I would love to be wrong.

The announcement of new episodes was basically an "oh by the way" line from toy producers at Botcon which was from April 7th to 10th. Episode 39 aired first on April 16th, then finally on CN May 14th, so I think we can stop with all the spoiler font now. The fact that it was brought to my attention that Hasbro studios didn't even appear at BC this year to promote RiD or Rescue Bots was very disappointing news indeed.