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[NuclearConvoy]

I can only barely fathom was an RID15 Star Saber would look like, but i would certainly be interested in seeing that.

[Dead Metal]

This show is by the same people that worked on Prime and the aligned comics. Scott even made a name for herself writing the Dinobot centric comics, which were supposedly their way of including the Dinobots in the cartoon cannon. Yet is there any sign here? Nobody knows who Grimlock is? Not even BB or Sideswipe who faught alongside him during the war?

During the live Twitter session with the RID creators that occurred during the U.S. premiere of RID, people were asking the creators questions about the show and the creators were answering them. HOWEVER, several people asked Ms. Scott specifically about Grimlock in this show and what, if any, connection he might or might not have to the already established FOC Grimlock whom Ms. Scott wrote into the Prime cartoon world via the comics, and while she answered other questions, those particular ones were dodged, given no answer, as though she wasn't permitted to speak of the matter at this time, possibly suggesting something pertaining to this to come in the future.

Rather than constantly complaining about things not matching up all the time, why not have a little faith in these writers and just be patient for possible explanations to come?

So why do you think that she dodged the question in order to not spoil anything? Why not because she doesn't want to acknowledge that the whole selling point of the comics was BS to start with?
Usually when something gets explained later on, they just say "we can't talk about this, but keep watching ", while she just ignored the question altogether.
I complain and don't have faith in them, because they've already shown me in the past that nobody cares what anyone else does in this universe.

Yes the tonal shift is a problem, I'm not saying this show has to be as grimdark as Prime, but it just feels far too disconnected. Prime took itself seriously and didn't have stuff like robots with muscles. It had its fair share of fun and comedy, and light heartedness, but this is too far removed from Prime. This is like billing the original TMNT show as a sequel to the 2002 series.

Well, like I said before, Rescue Bots is still in continuity with Prime, happening simultaneous to it, and it's bright and uplifting all the time.

Again, the tonal shift is a problem, but not that big a deal, the show just doesn't have a connection to its predecessor other than telling us it does, it's almost like TFCybertron that was originally intended as the third installment of the UT, but the creators went with something completely different instead and Hasbro still tried to convince us that it was totally the sequel to Energon.
I wouldn't mind the humor or the feel good stuff, if the characters at least worked. BB doesn't act like he did during or at the end of Prime, none of the characters besides BB are back or even mentioned.

I'm burned out, I believed Hasbro wen it said Animated would be allowed to finish and have all the figures come out, I believed it when they claimed the idw prequel comics were an actual important part of the movie and would be canon just to have them rework it every year, I believed it when MCCarthy claimed he had read all of Furman's stuff and that he AHM would fit perfectly into the pre-established universe, I believed that the Aligned Universe was this planed out cohesive Universe and everything would connect.
So far, I got burned on all of those things, so forgive me if I lost my faith in the stuff these people tell us.

So far the only good thing I can see about this show is that, since it's on CN until the network cancels it after 13 or so episodes like everything else they show that's not random, it might result in Animated getting that season 4 comic continuation idw's been teasing us with.


Oh yeah, I think I'll stop posting in this thread, I'm too negative and I don't want to further ruin it for those who actually enjoy this show, I hate it when someone else does it for something I enjoy, so I apologize.

[NuclearConvoy]

No worries, mate. Your grievances are informed and backed by argument.
I like this show so far, but I am also just sort of operating on the idea that this isn't really a sequel so much as a new story where they allude to random previous events that don't matter or inform the content. Mostly I am watching it because I love the designs and characterizations for the Decepticons.

[Sabrblade]

This is how TF motion picture sequels tend to be. Beast Machines could be watch without Beast Wars, Energon could be watched without Armada, Cybertron could be watched without Energon, any of the movies after the first could be watch without the preceding ones, Fall of Cybertron could be experienced without War for Cybertron; it's the very nature of "soft reboots" and has been going on with each of them all this time.

Even the Japanese did it. The Headmasters could be watched without G1, Masterforce could be watched without The Headmasters, Victory could be watched without Masterforce, Beast Wars Neo could be watched without Beast Wars Second, Go! could be watched without Prime seasons 1-2, etc.

One could even say the same about certain seasons withing single shows, like one could start with the G1 cartoon via the movie and continue into season 3 without having to go back to seasons 1 or 2.

[PrymeStriker]

I complain and don't have faith in them, because they've already shown me in the past that nobody cares what anyone else does in this universe.

...So...why should you care anymore?

I used to always defend this continuity showing the match-ups between games, comics, novels, and cartoons. Nowadays, I only care about the continuity between those mediums. Cartoons to cartoons, games to games, etc. It's a bitch to stitch the aligned continuity together, so why bother?

Again, the tonal shift is a problem, but not that big a deal, the show just doesn't have a connection to its predecessor other than telling us it does, it's almost like TFCybertron that was originally intended as the third installment of the UT, but the creators went with something completely different instead and Hasbro still tried to convince us that it was totally the sequel to Energon.

That's not really a fair comparison. Energon and Cybertron didn't match up because the continuity between the two was completely out of sync from episode one. The only difference between Prime and RiD is the tonal shift.

And, you know what, the tonal shift is not a problem. Why? Because the tonal shift is realistic. In Prime, the Autobots were in the grit of a war. Their home world was lost, their numbers were low, they were hungry with scrap for resources, and constantly on the run. They didn't have time for pizza parties because they had an all mighty powerful warlord up their ass screwing around with everything. At the end of Predacons Rising, the biggest threats to Cybertron were diminished. Unicron was captured, Megatron disbanded the Decepticons (which is something I want to see explained. I know the 'cons are back for marketing reasons, but still), Starscream was apparently killed, and Soundwave was trapped in the shadowzone. On top of that, they restored their home planet and brought back life to it, albeit at the cost of their leader. I'd say, without any serious universal threats bearing down on them this time, it makes sense that they're a lighter and more positive team. There's nothing to be grim and depressed about in this show. They're five 'bots that were (lazily) brought together as a team to accomplish a clean-up on Earth. Why have a dark show when the threat levels are so low?

There's being dark for a reason and being dark for the sake of being dark. Prime was the former, and RiD would have been the latter if dealt with otherwise.

I wouldn't mind the humor or the feel good stuff, if the characters at least worked. BB doesn't act like he did during or at the end of Prime, none of the characters besides BB are back or even mentioned.

Bumblebee acts exactly like he did in Prime. He was a lot quieter and a bit more curious, but as we saw in Predacons Rising, Bumblebee was starting to mature. RiD is a grown up Bumblebee, but elements of the beep-squeaker from last series are still there. You will find this in future episodes, especially the best fifth episode, "W.W.O.D?"

Oh yeah, I think I'll stop posting in this thread, I'm too negative and I don't want to further ruin it for those who actually enjoy this show, I hate it when someone else does it for something I enjoy, so I apologize.

Well, I guess I replied for nothing.

I would strongly urge you stick around for just a couple more episodes. I agree that the pilot is absolute horseshit, but it really does get better.

[hinomars19]

Oh yeah, I think I'll stop posting in this thread, I'm too negative and I don't want to further ruin it for those who actually enjoy this show, I hate it when someone else does it for something I enjoy, so I apologize.

You're not ruining it for me, mate. I'm happy somebody has the same vision of this continuity mess as I do.
Sorry to hear the hobby is becoming a pain. I have Masterpiece and CW to be thankful for as I was starting to get tired of what is ,frankly, becoming nonsense.
Soft re-boots, like the many in G1, or Beast wars to Beast machines were not a problem. Masterforce was the softest re-boot you'll find, but that still manages to convince me it follows the events and characters from season 1 through Headmasters, but does a good job of establishing that specific group of Cybertronians were separate to the goings on up till then. A little tentative, but believable without a giant amount of make believe on our part. What worked is it didn't try to convince me Chromedome dropped everything since Headmasters and joined a rag tag bunch of transtector clad humans. Rid15 is troublesome because of Bumblebee almost. It was nice to see Chromedome here and there to establish the connection, but it wasn't needed to convince me it was the same universe.
We can also believe that it, and the alternative events of the Marvel Pretender and Powermaster characters are still G1 continuity, because they were not trying to convince me it was all the same timeline. Masterforce works within Japan's own Cartoon continuity. It doesn't need to fit the whole G1 universe, just it's little corner. To suggest Rescue Bots Optimus is the same Optimus as Prime and now RiD15 is silly. Are they both aligned Optimus? Yes. But when did anyone believe Powermaster Optimus Prime and God Ginrai were the same character flying between America and Japan and adopting an alias?
G1 Japanese continuity is one timeline. American G1 continuity is another. Marvel comics are yet another, etc.
Aligned isn't doing that. It wants me to believe a novel based on a video game tying into a comic explaining the lives of characters not in a TV show sharing a name with a completely un-related character who oddly enough is in the TV show is all one time line and that Optimus keeps running around the U.S continents talking to different humans on different missions adopting a new body just to do so.

Sorry, but a time continuum explosion conceived by Simon Furman and made canon by a Japanese ret-con involving Bumble Bee being Primacron's long lost father would make more sense than anything aligned wants to convince me of.

I'm glad Dead Metal brought up Energon and Cybertron. Cybertron is ludicrous at times, and it is all Hasbro trying to convince us of things. This however, was due to production problems and mis-communication. They had a hole and did their best to fill it. They have full control over the aligned universe and all it's media, yet still rely on 'convincing' after the fact rather than constructing it properly in the first place.

But then (and I mean this is the most lighthearted way possible) Hasbro knows it doesn't need to try, it has Sabreblade for that

[Sabrblade]

We can also believe that it, and the alternative events of the Marvel Pretender and Powermaster characters are still G1 continuity, because they were not trying to convince me it was all the same timeline. Masterforce works within Japan's own Cartoon continuity. It doesn't need to fit the whole G1 universe, just it's little corner. To suggest Rescue Bots Optimus is the same Optimus as Prime and now RiD15 is silly. Are they both aligned Optimus? Yes. But when did anyone believe Powermaster Optimus Prime and God Ginrai were the same character flying between America and Japan and adopting an alias?

Show me something in Rescue Bots that says the Optimus in that show isn't the same Optimus as the one in Prime and we'll talk.

[hinomars19]

We can also believe that it, and the alternative events of the Marvel Pretender and Powermaster characters are still G1 continuity, because they were not trying to convince me it was all the same timeline. Masterforce works within Japan's own Cartoon continuity. It doesn't need to fit the whole G1 universe, just it's little corner. To suggest Rescue Bots Optimus is the same Optimus as Prime and now RiD15 is silly. Are they both aligned Optimus? Yes. But when did anyone believe Powermaster Optimus Prime and God Ginrai were the same character flying between America and Japan and adopting an alias?

Show me something in Rescue Bots that says the Optimus in that show isn't the same Optimus as the one in Prime and we'll talk.

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Not really sure why stating the obvious has to be such a crime, nor am I looking for a fight. And I certainly have no intention of challenging people's personal beliefs or head canon. But come on. Can we not just call a spade a spade please?
It wouldn't kill them to draw the same design. Style of rescue bots is irrelevant, before we start that, THOSE are not the same designs. Why? If Hasbro GENUINELY intend for this to be the EXACT SAME guy in the SAME UNIVERSE, AT THE SAME TIME (not 10 years later or whatever) why is he not the same design? And don't be telling me he keeps re-scanning stuff dependent on what humans he is talking to that day.
When you start breaking up your own furniture to fill a hole because you ran out soil, you've got a bit of a problem. This is going too far just to make a point.
I don't think pointing out the flaws in Hasbro's self confessed continuity is going to explode the world.
Your head canon, my head canon the next guys, all cool beans. But we have gone beyond the suspension of disbelief and the slight overlook with aligned now. I don't need to ignore the elephant in the room.
Everybody knows G1 sunbow had continuity screw ups between seasons! We talk about it, we laugh about it, we are not ashamed or afraid to admit it. The people writing it didn't give a toss and everybody gets on with their day. Did Megatron build the Constructicons, or did the Constructicons build Megatron? It can't happen both ways in the same timeline. One is one, one is another
RiD15 feels disjointed because Aligned is disjointed. I repeat, I believe Rescue bots Prime and 'Prime' are both Aligned versions of Optimus. But to suggest it is literally the same character walking from one show to another...

[Sabrblade]

If Hasbro GENUINELY intend for this to be the EXACT SAME guy in the SAME UNIVERSE, AT THE SAME TIME (not 10 years later or whatever) why is he not the same design?

To sell toys.

Optimus likewise has a different design in RID 2015 than he had in Prime, despite being dead at the series' start and shouldn't be able to take on a new form.

Same thing happened with Optimus's redesign in Fall of Cybertron. He looks different from how he looked in War for Cybertron with no explanation, yet is treated as though he always looked like that.

Aesthetics are a secondary, if not lower, priority in Aligned media. It's not something to make a big deal over.

Between the two shows, Optimus (and Bumblebee) goes back and forth between Jasper, Nevada and Griffin Rock, Maine, and at least one episode of Rescue Bots has its ending lead directly into the beginning of a Prime episode, which the RB creators did on purpose.

[ZeroWolf]

Think this is one of those things we'll all never agree on. If hasbro says it's all one thing then why not? it's there media, as long as the plots are good then so be it.

[Flashwave]

More important question: Why does a character's appearences the sole, governing factor on whether or not they are the same person across a continuity series? Sure, its a different truck, (Convienently, which the CW Prime is suited for. ) but what's it matter if Prime is wearing a blue suit, a brow suit, or a Tutu to Griffin ROck or Jasper, Nevada? It's the same voice actor, which is somewhat negligible given the fandom won't LET anyone else be Optimus Prime, and the plots carry over back and forth. Prime shows up in Griffin Rock looking for something off the Iacon Database, which only ever gve us a final countdown on artificat, not a total number of items.

If Hasbro GENUINELY intend for this to be the EXACT SAME guy in the SAME UNIVERSE, AT THE SAME TIME (not 10 years later or whatever) why is he not the same design?

To sell toys.

Optimus likewise has a different design in RID 2015 than he had in Prime, despite being dead at the series' start and shouldn't be able to take on a new form.

Same thing happened with Optimus's redesign in Fall of Cybertron. He looks different from how he looked in War for Cybertron with no explanation, yet is treated as though he always looked like that.

Aesthetics are a secondary, if not lower, priority in Aligned media. It's not something to make a big deal over.

Between the two shows, Optimus (and Bumblebee) goes back and forth between Jasper, Nevada and Griffin Rock, Maine, and at least one episode of Rescue Bots has its ending lead directly into the beginning of a Prime episode, which the RB creators did on purpose.

Which EP dovetailed into Prime? I missed that reference. Or forgot it. The Energon and Artifact hunts were nice nods though.
And really, RID15 Prime is not so radically different than his BH style. He's not as spiky, or as detailed, which makes him look worse off than he is, but the shoulders and cab angles are right. He looses the wings, too.

Truthfully, and this is the wrong thread but we eep bringing it up. The whole Rescue Bots Dinobots thing makes a lot more than simple continuity difficult to mesh. I loved how they treated Heatwave's Triple Changing as a true mental exercise, and then it turned around into "eVERYONE TURNS INTO EVERYTHING!!! YAY!!!" Okay, not that bad, but Heatwave's ep lost a lot of credibility.

[Sabrblade]

Which EP dovetailed into Prime? I missed that reference. Or forgot it. The Energon and Artifact hunts were nice nods though.

"What Rises Above" lead into "Nemesis Prime". In the latter, Optimus returns to base after going on his own to a subterranean energon deposit, of which "What Rises Above" (and the one before it, "What Lies Below") showed us the events.

[NuclearConvoy]

Any ideas when new stuff will be popping up again from our friendly neighborhood uploaders?

[Madeus Prime]

Any ideas when new stuff will be popping up again from our friendly neighborhood uploaders?

My guess is either Sunday or Monday. Super excited because our favorite Autobot musician will be showing up

[NuclearConvoy]

Any ideas when new stuff will be popping up again from our friendly neighborhood uploaders?

My guess is either Sunday or Monday. Super excited because our favorite Autobot musician will be showing up

I hope one day we get a Jazz that plays a cybertronian saxophone.

[Sabrblade]

The guy recording the episodes has recorded episode 10, but is having Internet trouble. He's gonna try and get it uploaded, but we'll still have to wait on the girl who puts his recorded episode uploads ontoDailymotion to do so.

[Sabrblade]

Episode 10 is online - http://www.dailymotion.com/video/kl6uEjAUadVuneatDbR


Episode 10 -

An energon cube in a construction site?!!

Something grabbed it from underground.

The Autobots (or at least Grimlock, Strongarm, and Fixit) don't understand the concepts of motorcycle racing and kissing.

Sideswipe's found an intruder.

The intruder is Jazz, and he and Bee know each other!

Sideswipe doesn't know Jazz, nor Jazz Sideswipe, so I'm thinking Sideswipe's just a new-named bot born from the Well after Prime revitalized it.

Jazz was sent by "the big bots on Cybertron" to check out a distress call from the Alchemor.

Bee says that the city on Cybertron he was in before coming to Earth was Kaon City. I guess the place got real cleaned up for the better after Megatron disbanded the Decepticon faction.

Okay, so Sideswipe has at least heard of Jazz ("the Jazz!"), but still doesn't know him personally.

Jazz speaks of a Council on Cybertron. Really hoping this new one is much better improvement over the snooty old one.

Hello, Ped!

The manifest describes Ped as a petty crook who burrows underground with his claws, and whose mandibles can deliver a temporary paralyzing sting.

Ped almost got Russell! But, that was a distraction. He really wanted the Autobots' energon cubes, and got away with some.

Bee's "Roll Out" fail of the day: "Autobots, let's bug out!"

I am loving this banter between Jazz and Sideswipe.

Wow... It's MANDARK! Ped is voiced by Mandark from Dexter's Laboratory!

Ped thinks himself better than everyone and wants to be the new boss bot in town.

Back on Cybertron, Ped was bullied and called a "lousy bot worm", but here on Earth, he's gonna make himself the bot that Cons come to for when they want energon.

Jazz tricked Ped into telling him his plans by letting Ped think that Jazz was willing to betray Sideswipe into becoming Ped's second-in-command.

A trap's been set at the scrapyard for Ped. A large stack of both real and fake energon cubes hides a stasis chamber inside it.

Ped's a lot smarter than the Autobots think. He goes after the ground beneath the Autobots instead of the cubes.

Sideswipe (long after having gotten out of the pit) forces Ped into the stasis chamber with a slew of insults that trick Ped into going toward the chamber.

Jazz jumps in to help beat the living snot out of Ped!

Ped's sealed and secured.

Jazz says he'll clean up Bee's mess from the first episode with Council once he gets back to Cybertron.

Ha. Grimlock's still stuck in the pit.



Khary Payton -- Operator
Eddie Deezen -- Ped
Arif S. Kinchen -- Jazz
Kristy Wu -- Woman's voice



Oh, this was a good one. Jazz was wonderful and Ped being a complete dweeb for someone so lethal was a delightful surprise. They could have gone route of making him the most monstrous creature to ever crawl from out of the earth, and instead made him terrifying on the outside, and dorky on the inside. His backstory also serves as a good cautionary message for bullies and those who get bullied. People can get really messed up if they're constantly picked on and never get any help to cope with their troubles, and Ped is a fine example of a bully victim gone mad. Meanwhile, Sideswipe got to see what a real mature cool guy is like and learned that even cool guys can get by playing by the rules and not being 100% rebellious all the time. Jazz is a great role model for him to look up to and take after, and hopefully we get to see more of him in episodes to come.

[NuclearConvoy]

I love how odd and unique Ped's transformation is. I can't think of a single other TF that has that kind of look going for it. This show is proving to be remarkably unique and well thought out. Here's me holding out hope for Warrior-class Decepticon toys galore. Still haven't seen one that I wouldn't want to own.

I like how broad shouldered Jazz is, really sets him apart from the other Autobot cars of this series.

[Madeus Prime]

Jazz was surprisingly good, hope to see him soon. Ped, while actually quite badass in gimmick and look, made me absolutely lose it when I heard his voice.

[Foxbear]

I wonder if Bee's off screen explanation of the situation to Jazz included the visions from Optimus? Jazz seemed completely unfazed when Bee said that he didn't want to leave the job undone because he didn't want to let Optimus down.
Meanwhile I for one fangirl am completely satisfied with how the writers are portraying Jazz he is the perfect mix of smooth and deadly, and a now established master of close very close quarters combat. Granted I am a G1 nut so that fact that they are sticking so close to that makes me very happy.
I didn't know what to expect for the voice but this is better.

[psj333]

Upon watching episode 10 on dailymotion.com, Ped describes himself as a bot worm, which means that he is an earthworm and not a mole, despite having mole-like-claws.

[NuclearConvoy]

Upon watching episode 10 on dailymotion.com, Ped describes himself as a bot worm, which means that he is an earthworm and not a mole, despite having mole-like-claws.

He didn't describe himself as that, he said that that is what people called him to make fun of him.

Also, you are oddly hung up on this topic.

[Madeus Prime]

Upon watching episode 10 on dailymotion.com, Ped describes himself as a bot worm, which means that he is an earthworm and not a mole, despite having mole-like-claws.

It's an insult. If somebody consistently called you a worm, wouldn't you be pissed? And he is clearly a made-up creature, in fact, he looks like NOTHING that has graced this earth with its presence.

[Fox Thiagarajan]

Does anyone know when the next episode airs in the U.S.?

[psj333]

Madeus Prime, how can you say the term, "worm", an insult when you knew that Ped did referred to himself as a bot worm. You're saying that Sideswipe did use the term. Yes, you're right, Sideswipe did called Ped a worm. But in case you have missed it, when Ped first arrived on the scene and saw Sideswipe and Jazz, Ped is the one that referred to himself as a worm, and not Sideswipe. And also, keep in mind, just like all other animals, not all worms to look alike.