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[necr0blivion]

O hai, RobotKingdom with your $179.90 preorder price - http://www.robotkingdom.com/tuwuw04.html

Ok, this gives me hope that it will be along those lines at the japanese online retailers.

RobotKingdom also lists this product as MSRP of 25,000 JPY. So it looks like they are offering it at about a 10% discount, which can be normal for other Japanese retailers. The problem with that (speaking specifically for myself and any other US customers) is the shipping for an item that large. RK quoted me $87, so I just went ahead and preordered from BBTS. While I sincerely doubt other Japanese retailers would quote me the same shipping price (even at EMS rates), it's still an important factor to consider.

Here's hoping you get the price you are looking for.

[william-james88]

Put in my pre-order at The Chosen Prime for $225 shipped. Of course I wish the price was lower ($175 would have been nice), but considering I was prepared to pay $300 to get the SDCC version off eBay if necessary, it's fine. Shame though that it'll likely be January before we get it; don't Takara releases always happen at the end of the month?

yeah they do. We will have to suffer the parade of people showing their hasbro version for the next 6 months

O hai, RobotKingdom with your $179.90 preorder price - http://www.robotkingdom.com/tuwuw04.html

Ok, this gives me hope that it will be along those lines at the japanese online retailers.

RobotKingdom also lists this product as MSRP of 25,000 JPY. So it looks like they are offering it at about a 10% discount, which can be normal for other Japanese retailers. The problem with that (speaking specifically for myself and any other US customers) is the shipping for an item that large. RK quoted me $87, so I just went ahead and preordered from BBTS. While I sincerely doubt other Japanese retailers would quote me the same shipping price (even at EMS rates), it's still an important factor to consider.

Here's hoping you get the price you are looking for.

Thanks man! And yes, Robot kingdom is known for its outlandish shipping. I am really hoping for 225$ US shipped.

[fenrir72]

If it was the same size as the other CW combiners, I would gladly buy it at that price. Those improvements are worth every penny in my opinion. But because Im not into stand alone figures, ill be sticking with my Hercules and yellow Giant that scale properly. I still say mixmasters alt mode is a disgrace. Somebody needs to get fired for that decision.

Scale issues in a mytho that uses mass shifting as an all around excuse/explanation?

I thought Transformers or the Transformers lifeform is always "improving" or changing /transforming? Mixmaster, though no longer toy accurate is also based on an actual vehicle so no biggy an issue.

[william-james88]

If it was the same size as the other CW combiners, I would gladly buy it at that price. Those improvements are worth every penny in my opinion. But because Im not into stand alone figures, ill be sticking with my Hercules and yellow Giant that scale properly. I still say mixmasters alt mode is a disgrace. Somebody needs to get fired for that decision.

Scale issues in a mytho that uses mass shifting as an all around excuse/explanation?

I thought Transformers or the Transformers lifeform is always "improving" or changing /transforming? Mixmaster, though no longer toy accurate is also based on an actual vehicle so no biggy an issue.

That's all well and good. But X wanted to pose this devy along with the other CW combiners into a show accurate scale and replace his 3rd party toy. But since it turns out Hasbro went for a much bigger scale for devastator, he cant. This has nothing to do with what makes sense and doesnt make sense, its just about him wanting his toys to look good together on the shelf and since this Devastator is not in scale with the other CW combiners (and their 3rd party counterparts), he wont buy it. Simple as that. I dont get why we have to constantly debate this. everyone is free to have their own reasons as to why they will or wont buy something.

[mooncake623]

TFYUKI just tweeted out an in-package image of Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Menasor! This image shows that Unite Warriors Menasor's packaging will be in the same style of their Superion! Check out the image mirrored below and remember keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates!

[Robogeek1973]

TFYUKI just tweeted out an in-package image of Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Menasor! This image shows that Unite Warriors Menasor's packaging will be in the same style of their Superion! Check out the image mirrored below and remember keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates!

Awesome, I can't wait for Menasor as well.

[william-james88]

TFYUKI just tweeted out an in-package image of Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Menasor! This image shows that Unite Warriors Menasor's packaging will be in the same style of their Superion! Check out the image mirrored below and remember keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates!

Awesome, I can't wait for Menasor as well.

I wonder what his litograph will be like.

[fenrir72]

It's so good to be a TF fan these days! All these G1 updates! Despite what a few (well one) hecklers about, G1 is a treasure trove of homages and inspiration! August is just 2 monts away (end of August that is).

[fenrir72]

If it was the same size as the other CW combiners, I would gladly buy it at that price. Those improvements are worth every penny in my opinion. But because Im not into stand alone figures, ill be sticking with my Hercules and yellow Giant that scale properly. I still say mixmasters alt mode is a disgrace. Somebody needs to get fired for that decision.

Scale issues in a mytho that uses mass shifting as an all around excuse/explanation?

I thought Transformers or the Transformers lifeform is always "improving" or changing /transforming? Mixmaster, though no longer toy accurate is also based on an actual vehicle so no biggy an issue.

That's all well and good. But X wanted to pose this devy along with the other CW combiners into a show accurate scale and replace his 3rd party toy. But since it turns out Hasbro went for a much bigger scale for devastator, he cant. This has nothing to do with what makes sense and doesnt make sense, its just about him wanting his toys to look good together on the shelf and since this Devastator is not in scale with the other CW combiners (and their 3rd party counterparts), he wont buy it. Simple as that. I dont get why we have to constantly debate this. everyone is free to have their own reasons as to why they will or wont buy something.

And he keeps repeating this for the upteenth time. He already made his intentions as such or haven't you noticed?

[Gearslide]

There are still people complaining about Mismaster's alt mode?

Do they not realize that he seems to have been engineered to look like either type of cement truck, depending on the direction you face him?

This is especially evident when you look at the Takara version and its paint apps. No front loader Cement Truck has that main windows on their back. And from what I understand, that back piece of a Front Loader is normally an engine block, with no windows at all. Normally there's a big vent on the face of it. There's no way it's an accident that they made Mixmaster work in both directions.

You can make him look like his G1 vehicle by just turning him around. That's it.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

You can make him look like his G1 vehicle by just turning him around. That's it.

... with vents for windows.

[Emerje]

O hai, RobotKingdom with your $179.90 preorder price - http://www.robotkingdom.com/tuwuw04.html

So here's the price prediction I made in the CW Devastator thread:

With that we might be able to predict the Japanese MSRP on Devastator at US$179.99 or around ¥22,300

I was off by 9 cents.

Don't trust the prices from BBTS and TFSource as they're marked up to include importing costs and additional profits. Robotkingdom's MSRP of 25,000JPY most certainly includes sales tax for them to sell at that price so it's more like 23,000JPY. Factor in AmiAmi's typical discount and they'll probably have it possibly as low as 17,250JPY or US$140, effectively making it cheaper than either Hasbro version. Shipping will no doubt bring it up to a little over SDCC Devi's price, but that's hardly a complaint.

If everyone is putting pre-orders up then we should expect Japanese sites to put theirs up soon. Maybe tonight or next week.

Emerje

[Va'al]

Joining the other sponsors to list the Takara Tomy versions of Transformers Titan class Combiner Wars Unite Warriors UW-04 Devastator, TFSource have also communicated their listing - which you can find below, for $219.99!

Takara Tomy's Unite Warrior devastator includes all 6 Constructicons: Mixmaster, Scrapper, Long Haul, Scavenger, Bonecrusher & Hook which unite to form the mighty Devastator! This set is rumored to include elbow joints, individual weapons, more paint apps, purple devastator hands and more!

Transformers Unite Warriors - UW-04 - Devastator

[Emerje]

You can make him look like his G1 vehicle by just turning him around. That's it.

... with vents for windows.

They aren't really much for vents though, it's not like they've put a grate over them like they would have in the real world. It's pretty obvious they were sculpted with a dual purpose in mind for when combined.

Emerje

[Robogeek1973]

I'm more than fine with just turning Mixmaster around in vehicle mode.

[Desslok2201]

Has anyone seen closeup photos of TT Menasor's head? Are the horns black, or that awful gray?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

You can make him look like his G1 vehicle by just turning him around. That's it.

... with vents for windows.

They aren't really much for vents though, it's not like they've put a grate over them like they would have in the real world. It's pretty obvious they were sculpted with a dual purpose in mind for when combined.

Emerje

And I've been blind: among the new parts, UW Mixmaster now has a cab instead of the engine!

[Wolfman Jake]

You can make him look like his G1 vehicle by just turning him around. That's it.

... with vents for windows.

They aren't really much for vents though, it's not like they've put a grate over them like they would have in the real world. It's pretty obvious they were sculpted with a dual purpose in mind for when combined.

Emerje

And I've been blind: among the new parts, UW Mixmaster now has a cab instead of the engine!

And with that, Takara officially CRUSHES it with Unite Warriors Devastator. Seriously, I don't think there is anything you can say about the Hasbro version at this point that's a clear advantage over the Takara version (besides price, obviously).

[Gearslide]

You can make him look like his G1 vehicle by just turning him around. That's it.

... with vents for windows.

They aren't really much for vents though, it's not like they've put a grate over them like they would have in the real world. It's pretty obvious they were sculpted with a dual purpose in mind for when combined.

Emerje

And I've been blind: among the new parts, UW Mixmaster now has a cab instead of the engine!

It's not so much a new cab as it is paint on pre-existing detail. Takara put Silver on the "Engine" to bring attention to the pseudo-grill already on the mold.

I was saying it since we first saw Combiner Wars Mixmaster in detail: The detailing is there to make him work in either direction in vehicle mode. It's just that Takara is the only one putting paint on the detail to make it apparent.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

You can make him look like his G1 vehicle by just turning him around. That's it.

... with vents for windows.

They aren't really much for vents though, it's not like they've put a grate over them like they would have in the real world. It's pretty obvious they were sculpted with a dual purpose in mind for when combined.

Emerje

And I've been blind: among the new parts, UW Mixmaster now has a cab instead of the engine!

It's not so much a new cab as it is paint on pre-existing detail. Takara put Silver on the "Engine" to bring attention to the pseudo-grill already on the mold.

I was saying it since we first saw Combiner Wars Mixmaster in detail: The detailing is there to make him work in either direction in vehicle mode. It's just that Takara is the only one putting paint on the detail to make it apparent.

Ah... so it keeps the vent detailing in the back. Cheaters.

[Agamemnon]

Not to poo poo anyone's ideas, but turning Mixmaster around would also put the dual axles in the "front" of the vehicle. Compromises abound, I guess...

[Nemesis Maximo]

If it was the same size as the other CW combiners, I would gladly buy it at that price. Those improvements are worth every penny in my opinion. But because Im not into stand alone figures, ill be sticking with my Hercules and yellow Giant that scale properly. I still say mixmasters alt mode is a disgrace. Somebody needs to get fired for that decision.

If you want to get technical, I would say they actually do scale. Think about it: construction vehicals are bigger than regular vehicals. Hence, the Constructicons being voyagers makes sense when you realize that Motormaster, a semi truck, is a voyager, and semi trucks and construction vehicals are approximately (ish) the same size.

In your face, X!

[Gearslide]

If it was the same size as the other CW combiners, I would gladly buy it at that price. Those improvements are worth every penny in my opinion. But because Im not into stand alone figures, ill be sticking with my Hercules and yellow Giant that scale properly. I still say mixmasters alt mode is a disgrace. Somebody needs to get fired for that decision.

If you want to get technical, I would say they actually do scale. Think about it: construction vehicals are bigger than regular vehicals. Hence, the Constructicons being voyagers makes sense when you realize that Motormaster, a semi truck, is a voyager, and semi trucks and construction vehicals are approximately (ish) the same size.

In your face, X!

Using vehicles as your scale example is not the way to go, especially on this series. You have fighter jets the size of sportscars, Firetrucks the size of Commercial Passenger Planes, and Tanks the size of Ambulances.

The thing is, the characters go off of robot scale more. Especially compared to the G1 cartoon/comics. While Scramble City teams always had a big guy and 4 normal sized guys (Normal sized being the standard for most Autobots; Decepticons tended to be hefty fellas at the beginning of the series), the Constructicons have always been the same height evenly throughout the team. And they weren't small dudes in the cartoon. When the animation was right, they stood the same height as Seekers and just under the height of Megs, Soundwave, Shockwave, etc.

Unfortunately, making the Constructicons scale in robot mode with other character's robot modes, makes Devastator a very large fellow.

[fenrir72]

And we go back to mass shifting and all is right in the world

But if we do compare the actual scale of a Caterpillar vehichle like Longhaul over a military or civilian vehicle, the Constructicons do tower over all others. That and perhaps agains the never been released Raiden team.

Back to my old argument, though it can be really crazy with all sorts of sizes for TF figures like a Goldilocks porridge, I too would want some sanity imposed but for Devastator? He just fit right.

[Nemesis Maximo]

If it was the same size as the other CW combiners, I would gladly buy it at that price. Those improvements are worth every penny in my opinion. But because Im not into stand alone figures, ill be sticking with my Hercules and yellow Giant that scale properly. I still say mixmasters alt mode is a disgrace. Somebody needs to get fired for that decision.

If you want to get technical, I would say they actually do scale. Think about it: construction vehicals are bigger than regular vehicals. Hence, the Constructicons being voyagers makes sense when you realize that Motormaster, a semi truck, is a voyager, and semi trucks and construction vehicals are approximately (ish) the same size.

In your face, X!

Using vehicles as your scale example is not the way to go, especially on this series. You have fighter jets the size of sportscars, Firetrucks the size of Commercial Passenger Planes, and Tanks the size of Ambulances.