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[Yotsuyasan]

Scale in Transformers is, not to put too fine a point on it, screwed.

What matters is, is it a cool toy?

Deluxe Groove looks to be a cool toy. And, he is a limb for Defensor, which is part of what Groove is to me.

If you* like Rook, and if you like Legends Groove, then cool for you... especially since we're both getting what we want, thus everyone should be happy.

*That is a general "you." This post isn't specifically directed at you, That Bot. Just wanted to make that clear, since I started by quoting you. But, I gather we're actually in agreement! I quoted you as a natural springboard for my comment, not out of a desire to rebut your comment.

[william-james88]

If you* like Rook, and if you like Legends Groove, then cool for you... especially since we're both getting what we want, thus everyone should be happy.

I am not too happy that it is costing way more to get the Deluxe Groove mold than any other mold so far. Sorry to be such a debbie downer but I still find it's exclusivity to Takaratomy mall in the japanese market to be such an odd choice for a product of the main UW line.

[RhA]

If you* like Rook, and if you like Legends Groove, then cool for you... especially since we're both getting what we want, thus everyone should be happy.

I am not too happy that it is costing way more to get the Deluxe Groove mold than any other mold so far. Sorry to be such a debbie downer but I still find it's exclusivity to Takaratomy mall in the japanese market to be such an odd choice for a product of the main UW line.

Just give it time and, eventually, Rook will be a leg for Prime.

[Yotsuyasan]

If you* like Rook, and if you like Legends Groove, then cool for you... especially since we're both getting what we want, thus everyone should be happy.

I am not too happy that it is costing way more to get the Deluxe Groove mold than any other mold so far.

I will grant that that part is a bit annoying. All things considered, it would be nice if Takara's Defensor wasn't an exclusive. Or, for those who'd prefer not to pay import prices, if we could know to expect one from Hasbro. But at least we're getting one.

Deluxe Groove costing too much, though, is a different thing to me then people arguing which scale class is appropriate to the character. So yes, the inflated cost of it being not only an import, but an exclusive import is something legitimate to be grumpy about. I'm a bit grumpy about it too. But on the issue of, "Groove should be Legends because scale makes sense!" vs. "Groove should be Deluxe because he should be a limb!" On that issue, both are being made, so as I said, everyone should be happy.

[william-james88]

On that issue, both are being made, so as I said, everyone should be happy.

Looks like we agree on all accounts then

[Yotsuyasan]

Looks like we agree on all accounts then

If memory serves, that isn't uncommon.

[jacobusprime]

That headsculpt on Groove...love it....I neeeeeed.

[william-james88]

Oddly, even as a kid Groove being the size of a car or helicopter bothered me a lot, yet a helicopter, jeep, tank, and space shuttle being the same size was totally cool. Weird.

Evidently, this is precisely the kind of kid scale logic Hasbro had in mind when choosing to make Groove smaller.

To a kid, vehicles meant to hold one person at a time are smaller than vehicles meant to hold multiple people at a time, but the vehicles of that latter category can all be the same size regardless of how differently-sized they are in real life (i.e. - a space shuttle vs. a Jeep)

Yay! I contributed something useful!

It's true - some of the mass shifting was just easier to swallow than others Even I winked at a Space shuttle turning into an 'arm' sized attachment to a missile trailer in Bruticus. I laughed at ALL the Cons fitting inside Astrotrain in the 85 movie, but didn't make much of a fuss over it. And I thought it merely an odd paradox that broadside turns from an aircraft carrier INTO a jet...

Wizard!

Yeah, I think we are all reaching a similar understanding and agreement in this thread. Even agreeing with X who has some pretty good points about the robots scaling with each other in robot mode (which I feel is important to recreate some scenes from the show). And it makes sense that we are all agreeing in the Takara thread since this is the version of the line that has embraced the goofiness of scale the best

[shajaki]

Since scale is such a hot topic today, I suggest we move it here

[Sowndwave76]

I think it's pretty funny that there are still so many "conversations" about scale...
And yeah at one point, back in 2007, I too was sucked into similar conversations.
Just figured by now that would be a buried horse.
Almost as funny as this forum member who seriously attacked me and others about how stupid it was to speculate/discuss Hasbro ever releasing deluxe-sized seekers since they had been at Botcon...
Boy, he showed us... We were all IDIOTS!!!!

Anyway, just wanted to voice my surprise that people haven't been more excited about the Unite Warriors Stunticons...
I know it's not new news.
However, most of those characters haven't been given solid, non-exclusive or non-third-party dues as figures.
Offroad isn't a Sunticon, and imo, the deco's of the Unite versions are much much better.
Motormaster and Dragstrip alone were enough for me to buy.
Again, just my opinion, but Hasbro's Dragstrip is not good... The yellow-orange is not great, and the red-violet is just too much... I think I may have been okay if it were true purple... But when you look at that color (which I would almost call "Raspberry) next to purple,
again, I just can't stand it. It almost looks like it's a mistake.

Anyone else agree that this set is better than Hasbro's offerings and worth the extra $$$?

[chuckdawg1999]

I think it's pretty funny that there are still so many "conversations" about scale...
And yeah at one point, back in 2007, I too was sucked into similar conversations.
Just figured by now that would be a buried horse.
Almost as funny as this forum member who seriously attacked me and others about how stupid it was to speculate/discuss Hasbro ever releasing deluxe-sized seekers since they had been at Botcon...
Boy, he showed us... We were all IDIOTS!!!!

Anyway, just wanted to voice my surprise that people haven't been more excited about the Unite Warriors Stunticons...
I know it's not new news.
However, most of those characters haven't been given solid, non-exclusive or non-third-party dues as figures.
Offroad isn't a Sunticon, and imo, the deco's of the Unite versions are much much better.
Motormaster and Dragstrip alone were enough for me to buy.
Again, just my opinion, but Hasbro's Dragstrip is not good... The yellow-orange is not great, and the red-violet is just too much... I think I may have been okay if it were true purple... But when you look at that color (which I would almost call "Raspberry) next to purple,
again, I just can't stand it. It almost looks like it's a mistake.

Anyone else agree that this set is better than Hasbro's offerings and worth the extra $$$?

They're different but not different enough for me to double dip

[fenrir72]

I think it's pretty funny that there are still so many "conversations" about scale...
And yeah at one point, back in 2007, I too was sucked into similar conversations.
Just figured by now that would be a buried horse.
Almost as funny as this forum member who seriously attacked me and others about how stupid it was to speculate/discuss Hasbro ever releasing deluxe-sized seekers since they had been at Botcon...
Boy, he showed us... We were all IDIOTS!!!!

Anyway, just wanted to voice my surprise that people haven't been more excited about the Unite Warriors Stunticons...
I know it's not new news.
However, most of those characters haven't been given solid, non-exclusive or non-third-party dues as figures.
Offroad isn't a Sunticon, and imo, the deco's of the Unite versions are much much better.
Motormaster and Dragstrip alone were enough for me to buy.
Again, just my opinion, but Hasbro's Dragstrip is not good... The yellow-orange is not great, and the red-violet is just too much... I think I may have been okay if it were true purple... But when you look at that color (which I would almost call "Raspberry) next to purple,
again, I just can't stand it. It almost looks like it's a mistake.

Anyone else agree that this set is better than Hasbro's offerings and worth the extra $$$?

If you don't own one then go for it. If you already have the Hasbro ver, well do a "Two-face" if you can't decide.

[prjkt]

looking at the recent pics of Slingshot, I don't quite like how his weapon/combiner bit is an off-white compared to the bright white paint of Slingshot... of course this may be a little different in hand of course...

[fenrir72]

Bit the bullet...............

[Cyberpath]

More from Yuki:

Fireflight



Skydive



Air Raid.

[mooncake623]

TakaraTomy designer Hisashi Yuki is at it again! Just coming off of his recent tease yesterday of the upcoming United Warriors Groove, Dragstrip, Slingshot and Wildrider! Which can be seen here. Today, Hisashi Yuki was kind enough to take to Twitter to show off Fireflight, Skydive, and Air Raid! With UW-01 Superion due for release at the end of the month, have you made up your mind? Will you be picking up the Takara versions of these Combiners? Let us know in the Seibertron.com fourms here.
Check out the images we've mirrored below and remember keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates!

[Sowndwave76]

I think it's pretty funny that there are still so many "conversations" about scale...
And yeah at one point, back in 2007, I too was sucked into similar conversations.
Just figured by now that would be a buried horse.
Almost as funny as this forum member who seriously attacked me and others about how stupid it was to speculate/discuss Hasbro ever releasing deluxe-sized seekers since they had been at Botcon...
Boy, he showed us... We were all IDIOTS!!!!

Anyway, just wanted to voice my surprise that people haven't been more excited about the Unite Warriors Stunticons...
I know it's not new news.
However, most of those characters haven't been given solid, non-exclusive or non-third-party dues as figures.
Offroad isn't a Sunticon, and imo, the deco's of the Unite versions are much much better.
Motormaster and Dragstrip alone were enough for me to buy.
Again, just my opinion, but Hasbro's Dragstrip is not good... The yellow-orange is not great, and the red-violet is just too much... I think I may have been okay if it were true purple... But when you look at that color (which I would almost call "Raspberry) next to purple,
again, I just can't stand it. It almost looks like it's a mistake.

Anyone else agree that this set is better than Hasbro's offerings and worth the extra $$$?

If you don't own one then go for it. If you already have the Hasbro ver, well do a "Two-face" if you can't decide.

As of right now I'm not getting any of the Autobots (except for Hotspot),
so I'm getting both versions of the Stunticons... Already pre-ordered the Unite Warriors version.
Speaking of which:

Is there any word on the packaging for the Unite Warriors line?
Or when we might see it??

[Sabrblade]

Is there any word on the packaging for the Unite Warriors line?
Or when we might see it??

We've seen Superion's packaging - http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takaratomy-transformers-unite-warriors-uw01-superion-in-box/32997/

[william-james88]

Is there any word on the packaging for the Unite Warriors line?
Or when we might see it??

We've seen Superion's packaging - http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takaratomy-transformers-unite-warriors-uw01-superion-in-box/32997/

Yeah, the trend is to show the packaging near the end of the month prior to release.

[Sowndwave76]

Is there any word on the packaging for the Unite Warriors line?
Or when we might see it??

We've seen Superion's packaging - http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takaratomy-transformers-unite-warriors-uw01-superion-in-box/32997/

Okay, so next question:
Think the Stunticons will be packaged in alt modes as well???

[Sabrblade]

Is there any word on the packaging for the Unite Warriors line?
Or when we might see it??

We've seen Superion's packaging - http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takaratomy-transformers-unite-warriors-uw01-superion-in-box/32997/

Okay, so next question:
Think the Stunticons will be packaged in alt modes as well???

With such being the case with the Airbots, I don't see why the Stuntrons wouldn't.

[william-james88]

Is there any word on the packaging for the Unite Warriors line?
Or when we might see it??

We've seen Superion's packaging - http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takaratomy-transformers-unite-warriors-uw01-superion-in-box/32997/

Okay, so next question:
Think the Stunticons will be packaged in alt modes as well???

Yes, for sure.

[Sowndwave76]

Is there any word on the packaging for the Unite Warriors line?
Or when we might see it??

We've seen Superion's packaging - http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/takaratomy-transformers-unite-warriors-uw01-superion-in-box/32997/

Okay, so next question:
Think the Stunticons will be packaged in alt modes as well???

Yes, for sure.

Hmmmmm.... This will probably affect whether or not I keep them MISB...
Would've been more likely to do this if they were in bot modes.
Well, I haven't opened any of my Hasbro Stunticons yet...

[kirbenvost]

I gotta say, they're looking a bit bland in comparison. I'm glad I got the Hasbro versions so far.

[Sowndwave76]

I gotta say, they're looking a bit bland in comparison. I'm glad I got the Hasbro versions so far.

I could see why people would say this, but I personally really prefer when the figures resemble the cartoon versions as closely as possible.
I don't think any of the Hasbro versions look bad, except for Dragstrip.
I also think the UW vehicle modes look quite a bit better; cleaner, and again, more cartoon accurate.