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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Desslok2201 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:43 am

Diem wrote:I absolutely love this. Under-represented character? FEMALE representation in the line? Intelligent and economic use of retooled parts to maximum effect? Amazing.

And in response to Wheeljack808 and anyone else who is upset that this isn't the 20-somethingth version of Jazz:

Repaints don't interrupt new molds from getting made.

Repaints don't interrupt new molds from getting made.

REPAINTS DON'T INTERRUPT NEW MOLDS FROM GETTING MADE.

It's not like Takara are saying "Hey, we want to produce a Sunstreaker but Road Rage is taking up too much of our damn time." Instead, the additional income provided by re-engineering or repaints helps finance and financially justify new molds being made.

Repaints help finance new molds

Repaints help finance new molds

REPAINTS HELP FINANCE NEW MOLDS

And the argument that these are getting lazy is ridiculous. Every repaint since the Datsuns is a big improvement over the days when Ultra Magnus carried around a brown Megatron and the seekers escorted the Amazing Arkeville Triplets. Nowadays the likes of Smokescreen, G2 Bumblebee (not Goldbug, get your facts straight), Exhaust and now Road Rage make use of new parts to add value to the purchase.

Must have purchase. A+

I agree with 95% of what you said. I'm going to get this, as I have with all MPs, and I'm going to continue to love this line and be an ardent supporter of it. But can we please get past the 'female' thing? Robots are asexual, and until someone can show me Optimus Prime's jock I will continue to stand by that. It's like going to Home Depot and saying at last- someone has finally made a pink screwdriver, now I feel complete.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby sol magnus » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:47 am

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Amelie » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:49 am

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Optimus Prime doesn't need a 'jock' to be male - even the sex organs of plant-life on planet Earth are radically different from a mammals. Transformers are aliens and therefore not subject to the same logic or typical appendages humans are ;)

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Amelie wrote:Optimus Prime doesn't need a 'jock' to be male - even the sex organs of plant-life on planet Earth are radically different from a mammals. Transformers are aliens and therefore not subject to the same logic or typical appendages humans are ;)

god I'm anal. lol

Yeah, it is honestly kind of abstract in how it can be interpreted. Also transformers totally have anuses, confirmed.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Desslok2201 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 9:58 am

Amelie wrote:Optimus Prime doesn't need a 'jock' to be male - even the sex organs of plant-life on planet Earth are radically different from a mammals. Transformers are aliens and therefore not subject to the same logic or typical appendages humans are ;)

god I'm anal. lol

So- no need to adhere to typical male/female appearances then?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Amelie » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:03 am

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Desslok2201 wrote:So- no need to adhere to typical male/female appearances then?


Sure - why not? Road Rage shares 90% of her body type with Tracks and I was readily accepting the G1 toy was female, too, and that had a mouth plate.

Roulette and Shadow Striker only had a head difference from Sideburn. Worked for me. Might've worked without it, too.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:08 am

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Amelie » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:09 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Sex is not the same thing as gender.


I wish I'd said something clever like that :P
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Desslok2201 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:12 am

Amelie wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:So- no need to adhere to typical male/female appearances then?


Sure - why not? Road Rage shares 90% of her body type with Tracks and I was readily accepting the G1 toy was female, too, and that had a mouth plate.

Roulette and Shadow Striker only had a head difference from Sideburn. Worked for me. Might've worked without it, too.

My point is that if they are aliens, I think we can all agree to that, then why limit the term alien by subjecting it to male and female terms? Why should they be subject to sexual characteristics when they do not reproduce sexually? Ok, Arcee is pink. Is she therefore somehow weaker than Hot Rod? Not at all, check the movie, she defends him, not the other way around.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby munkimus prime » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:27 am

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Convoy » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:29 am

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Diem » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:38 am

Desslok2201 wrote:
Diem wrote:I absolutely love this. Under-represented character? FEMALE representation in the line? Intelligent and economic use of retooled parts to maximum effect? Amazing.

And in response to Wheeljack808 and anyone else who is upset that this isn't the 20-somethingth version of Jazz:

Repaints don't interrupt new molds from getting made.

Repaints don't interrupt new molds from getting made.

REPAINTS DON'T INTERRUPT NEW MOLDS FROM GETTING MADE.

It's not like Takara are saying "Hey, we want to produce a Sunstreaker but Road Rage is taking up too much of our damn time." Instead, the additional income provided by re-engineering or repaints helps finance and financially justify new molds being made.

Repaints help finance new molds

Repaints help finance new molds

REPAINTS HELP FINANCE NEW MOLDS

And the argument that these are getting lazy is ridiculous. Every repaint since the Datsuns is a big improvement over the days when Ultra Magnus carried around a brown Megatron and the seekers escorted the Amazing Arkeville Triplets. Nowadays the likes of Smokescreen, G2 Bumblebee (not Goldbug, get your facts straight), Exhaust and now Road Rage make use of new parts to add value to the purchase.

Must have purchase. A+

I agree with 95% of what you said. I'm going to get this, as I have with all MPs, and I'm going to continue to love this line and be an ardent supporter of it. But can we please get past the 'female' thing? Robots are asexual, and until someone can show me Optimus Prime's jock I will continue to stand by that. It's like going to Home Depot and saying at last- someone has finally made a pink screwdriver, now I feel complete.


Welcome to the 21st century. It turns out that sex is not the same thing as gender. There are people out there who identify as female who have, as you put it, "jocks" or who at least had "jocks" at one stage in their life.

I'm gonna get out of this habit soon but:

Sex is not the same thing as gender

Sex is not the same thing as gender

SEX IS NOT THE SAME THING AS GENDER

I'm not about to go around saying that a fictional robot repaint has her own gender autonomy or anything, but I will say that each Transformer out there HAS A GENDER EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SEX.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Desslok2201 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:41 am

Diem wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:
Diem wrote:I absolutely love this. Under-represented character? FEMALE representation in the line? Intelligent and economic use of retooled parts to maximum effect? Amazing.

And in response to Wheeljack808 and anyone else who is upset that this isn't the 20-somethingth version of Jazz:

Repaints don't interrupt new molds from getting made.

Repaints don't interrupt new molds from getting made.

REPAINTS DON'T INTERRUPT NEW MOLDS FROM GETTING MADE.

It's not like Takara are saying "Hey, we want to produce a Sunstreaker but Road Rage is taking up too much of our damn time." Instead, the additional income provided by re-engineering or repaints helps finance and financially justify new molds being made.

Repaints help finance new molds

Repaints help finance new molds

REPAINTS HELP FINANCE NEW MOLDS

And the argument that these are getting lazy is ridiculous. Every repaint since the Datsuns is a big improvement over the days when Ultra Magnus carried around a brown Megatron and the seekers escorted the Amazing Arkeville Triplets. Nowadays the likes of Smokescreen, G2 Bumblebee (not Goldbug, get your facts straight), Exhaust and now Road Rage make use of new parts to add value to the purchase.

Must have purchase. A+

I agree with 95% of what you said. I'm going to get this, as I have with all MPs, and I'm going to continue to love this line and be an ardent supporter of it. But can we please get past the 'female' thing? Robots are asexual, and until someone can show me Optimus Prime's jock I will continue to stand by that. It's like going to Home Depot and saying at last- someone has finally made a pink screwdriver, now I feel complete.


Welcome to the 21st century. It turns out that sex is not the same thing as gender. There are people out there who identify as female who have, as you put it, "jocks" or who at least had "jocks" at one stage in their life.

I'm gonna get out of this habit soon but:

Sex is not the same thing as gender

Sex is not the same thing as gender

SEX IS NOT THE SAME THING AS GENDER

I'm not about to go around saying that a fictional robot repaint has her own gender autonomy or anything, but I will say that each Transformer out there HAS A GENDER EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SEX.

Please forgive my use of the word 'sex.' I'll reiterate, and I can yell too if it makes you happy. WHY IN THE HELL DOES AN ALIEN ROBOT NEED A GENDER?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Desslok2201 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:46 am

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Diem » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:51 am

Desslok2201 wrote:
Diem wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:
Diem wrote:I absolutely love this. Under-represented character? FEMALE representation in the line? Intelligent and economic use of retooled parts to maximum effect? Amazing.

And in response to Wheeljack808 and anyone else who is upset that this isn't the 20-somethingth version of Jazz:

Repaints don't interrupt new molds from getting made.

Repaints don't interrupt new molds from getting made.

REPAINTS DON'T INTERRUPT NEW MOLDS FROM GETTING MADE.

It's not like Takara are saying "Hey, we want to produce a Sunstreaker but Road Rage is taking up too much of our damn time." Instead, the additional income provided by re-engineering or repaints helps finance and financially justify new molds being made.

Repaints help finance new molds

Repaints help finance new molds

REPAINTS HELP FINANCE NEW MOLDS

And the argument that these are getting lazy is ridiculous. Every repaint since the Datsuns is a big improvement over the days when Ultra Magnus carried around a brown Megatron and the seekers escorted the Amazing Arkeville Triplets. Nowadays the likes of Smokescreen, G2 Bumblebee (not Goldbug, get your facts straight), Exhaust and now Road Rage make use of new parts to add value to the purchase.

Must have purchase. A+

I agree with 95% of what you said. I'm going to get this, as I have with all MPs, and I'm going to continue to love this line and be an ardent supporter of it. But can we please get past the 'female' thing? Robots are asexual, and until someone can show me Optimus Prime's jock I will continue to stand by that. It's like going to Home Depot and saying at last- someone has finally made a pink screwdriver, now I feel complete.


Welcome to the 21st century. It turns out that sex is not the same thing as gender. There are people out there who identify as female who have, as you put it, "jocks" or who at least had "jocks" at one stage in their life.

I'm gonna get out of this habit soon but:

Sex is not the same thing as gender

Sex is not the same thing as gender

SEX IS NOT THE SAME THING AS GENDER

I'm not about to go around saying that a fictional robot repaint has her own gender autonomy or anything, but I will say that each Transformer out there HAS A GENDER EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SEX.

Please forgive my use of the word 'sex.' I'll reiterate, and I can yell too if it makes you happy. WHY IN THE HELL DOES AN ALIEN ROBOT NEED A GENDER?


It's not a question of if they need it or not. They identify that way. They call each other "he" or "him". There is a group in the very earliest cartoon called the "Female Autobots". Every piece of evidence indicates they possess male and female genders. I appreciate your theory that aliens might have different genders or no use for genders but until Wheelie turns to Daniel and says "Actually we Cybertronians have 8 genders, my pronouns are "phe" and "phim"" it's just a theory.

To recap, Transformers refer to each other as male and female and use gendered pronouns. They have genders, whether you think they should or not.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:51 am

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Exactly, it's mot Roadrage, it's Chromia. Look at the head sculpt, then look at a picture of Chromia.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Apr 22, 2015 10:58 am

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Flashwave » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:29 am

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Not disagreeing with your right to not like repaints. Were I diving into the Masterpieces, I could easily get tired of the umber of times Sideswipe came out and we never even got Sunstreaker, although he's way different enough that's a good thing. That all aid, I've been more interested in Tiger Track, Road Rage, and Exhaust than I was in Swipe, Tracks, or Wheeljack.

Wheeljack808 wrote:2)Saying they fund the new molds is a redundant statement since there is still going to be the production costs to pump out the retools as well as the modifications to make it a retool. In other words, ANY masterpiece will net profit and thus fund more molds.
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Yes and know. Let's throw out an extimate that the retool cost is 20% of the original production cost for a new head, a new gun, and a new accesory (since we're not getting Raoul?)

A new poroduct(s) comes out, it has to pay for
[*]The initial Tooling Cost
[*]It's own Material Costs
[*]Shipping, Packaging, yadda yadda yadda.

Usually, the tooling is paid for by the first figure or figures depending on run size. So being conservative with numbers, let's say Tracks paid off 80% of the original investment in the mold, and Takara expects (reasonably, given run sizes--See below*) for Road Rage to pay off the remaining 20% of the INITIAL mold, plus the 20% for her new head, gun, and accesories. Assuming she doesn't qite sell as many as Tracks, becauce she is a more diehard fan type figure, let's assume that the gross eraning for Road Rage gives the Tooling Cost budget 60%, an extra 20% of tooling costs that can be flipped to the next figure.

Said next figure's entire tooling cost is concievably already down to 80-85% if it's more complex than Tracks/Rage was or Road Rage doesn't sell as many numbers. That figure then only has to split 80% across the initial, and the repaint. And if there's two repaints, then you have essentially two figures that pay the mold off completely, as above, and another figure who pays for his own materials, accesories, and supporting infrastructure costs, but since he's not paying for the initial tooling cost,

he can bring in 60% like RoadRage did, minus the 20% for his "toys", =40% investment in the figure after HIM.

*And before anyone says it:
"If a figure cannot pay for it's initial tooling, it's a failure. Businesses call that a loss."


Yes, and no. Often times, these Toolings are investments that are expected to pay back slowly. IE, two figures. Or three figures. Hasbro and Takara fully expect a tooling to NOT be paid for by one figure alone. The price of these things are simply too haigh, when you figure on a 10 12 14 16 dollar figure. That's why we get the Pre-tools.

And with COmbiner Wars, I expect the re-skinning of frames is more a matter of simplicity than mold cost recuoperation. Why reinvent the wheel?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Amelie » Wed Apr 22, 2015 11:34 am

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Videotapes? Holy cow, man - how late are they? I can't wait to see your overdue fees.

I wonder if we'll get the diaclone details on the wings, too?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers MP-26 Road Rage

Postby Desslok2201 » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:01 pm

Amelie wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:You know what, you're right. Let's all agree to disagree. I have to return some videotapes.

Videotapes? Holy cow, man - how late are they? I can't wait to see your overdue fees.

I wonder if we'll get the diaclone details on the wings, too?

I guess you've never seen American Psycho. Anyway, on a separate note, since there obviously will be no Raoul with this release, and Road Rage is Crosscut's bodyguard, who negotiates space for Metroplex on Earth, could we maybe get a small holographic Metroplex?
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Postby RiddlerJ » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:07 pm

I'm still waiting for Masterpiece Slicer.
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Postby Va'al » Wed Apr 22, 2015 12:39 pm

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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #350 - Oops! All Optimus
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