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[Sowndwave76]

I'm more lenient than most; unless it's a character I'm a massive stickler for, you can just stick the character's head on a body that's not entirely unfitting for them and I'm pretty cool with that. That's why I'm alright with CW Prowl and Mirage. I still can sorta see them in that.

I'm going jump in on this, and the real reason I can agree with Kurona at this point is because those characters have already been given fairly decent updates.
Yes, they all had minor issues, but come on. The Datsuns from the Universe/Generations Lines were pretty spot-on-- door wings, shoulder canons, hood chests, and even though the vehicles were updated, even the legs/feet were pretty legit.
The Universe/RtS updates for Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, and Jazz?? Pretty awesome.
The Classics seeker mold? While a bit too small, it's beautiful!
So at this point, yeah variations aren't necessarily a bad thing.

[fenrir72]

I feel like the headmaster gimmick is becoming an overkill. Everyone is a Headmaster now regardless if they were so in fiction.

That can be said about Unite Warriors too, even more so than Combiner Wars. Now that was a big time overkill.

A new Sunstreaker? Combiner
Deluxe Ghost Starscream? Combiner
Classics Armada Thrust? Combiner
G1 style Trailbreaker? Combiner
A new Ironhide? Yay! Oh no wait, its also a combiner
And after 30 years we finally get skylynx redone and he is a freaken combiner!?!?

And this was worse than TR because while TR gives them a gimick they didnt have before, it doesn't limit the toy's possible uniqueness, or general look. Scourge, Blurr and Trigerhappy still look very much like themselves and all have nice transformations that are all their own. But with UW/CW, the fact that they are redecos fo the same mold means they arent all that unique, nor do they look the part. Ironhide looks nothing like his G1 self and all the cars have fake parts for the chest (like Wheeljack, Sunstreaker, and the Datsuns). And Skylynx is made smaller and gutted of his seperate lynx and bird modes.

I still have many of these toys and do not regret my purchases, but I did mean to show that TR handles the shared gimick much better than Combiner Wars did when it comes to homaging the look and idiosyncratic nature of these characters.

Maybe a massive cash grab sales strategy to ensure that each component/character/products gets sold (I'm speaking of the UW/CW lines)

Btw, I agree with your views with that. Seems like every modern versions of iconic G1 characters are combiners now. Trouble is, it is sort of a lazy way to re-introduce them. At least the classics had their own unique molds without having to deal with their connector pegs. TR also with the Hm overkill so they have to add playsets now for our make believe forts and bases.

You can only squeeze a gimmick so far but hey, it's capitalism.

Maybe somewhere down the road Hb will recycle the Furby gimmick where each tf fig has a chip that will unlock a different set of phrases when placed in front of certain figures that won't be heard if placed with another (hear that Hb...I'm giving you another recycled idea to implement

[Ultra Markus]

i get that hasbro goes with more toy accuracy and takara goes with cartoon accuracy
but with cerebros hasbro went with cartoon accuracy and takara went with toy accuracy on fortress maximus

Takara were still going cartoon-accurate; just accurate to their cartoon.



Just so happened that their cartoon was toy-accurate in the first place.

i was referring to the big guy too

[fenrir72]

I'm more lenient than most; unless it's a character I'm a massive stickler for, you can just stick the character's head on a body that's not entirely unfitting for them and I'm pretty cool with that. That's why I'm alright with CW Prowl and Mirage. I still can sorta see them in that.

I'm going jump in on this, and the real reason I can agree with Kurona at this point is because those characters have already been given fairly decent updates.
Yes, they all had minor issues, but come on. The Datsuns from the Universe/Generations Lines were pretty spot-on-- door wings, shoulder canons, hood chests, and even though the vehicles were updated, even the legs/feet were pretty legit.
The Universe/RtS updates for Sideswipe, Sunstreaker, and Jazz?? Pretty awesome.
The Classics seeker mold? While a bit too small, it's beautiful!
So at this point, yeah variations aren't necessarily a bad thing.

The Classic Seeker's warrior modes are the same size as their g1 counterparts. It's only in their vehicle modes that the G1 versions were bigger. I don't know what you call the term (mass shifting )

Anyway, you are right. The Classics/Henkei had a good run and were great re imaginations of their G1 versions.

[william-james88]

i get that hasbro goes with more toy accuracy and takara goes with cartoon accuracy
but with cerebros hasbro went with cartoon accuracy and takara went with toy accuracy on fortress maximus

Takara were still going cartoon-accurate; just accurate to their cartoon.



Just so happened that their cartoon was toy-accurate in the first place.

i was referring to the big guy too

Why do you think they changed the clear box on his shoulder from turquoise to blue?

[Rainmaker]

LG Galvatron pink is really bright...especially in Youhedix's video review, you can barely see it. What made them pick such a bright shade of it? Galvatron is purple in the cartoon.

[Logan.]

About Chromedome and Fortress Maximus, from the topic "Show Accuracy: Toys Comparisons"

[Kurona]

LG Galvatron pink is really bright...especially in Youhedix's video review, you can barely see it. What made them pick such a bright shade of it? Galvatron is purple in the cartoon.

Y'know, I think Hasbro vs Takara in regards to Galvatron and Cyclonus' colours is starting to become more notorious than RIBFIR/RIRFIB.

Rumble is red and I prefer Hasbro's Galvatron/Cyclonus colours

[Sabrblade]

LG Galvatron pink is really bright...especially in Youhedix's video review, you can barely see it. What made them pick such a bright shade of it? Galvatron is purple in the cartoon.

Takara Galvatron is purple. Just a very light lilac shade.

"Pink" would be more like what Arcee is.

[fenrir72]

LG Galvatron pink is really bright...especially in Youhedix's video review, you can barely see it. What made them pick such a bright shade of it? Galvatron is purple in the cartoon.

Youhedix's camera must be near stasis lock. The color is too bright making Galvatron's purple to irritating to the eye.

As I mentioned in many threads about judging the product based on images from the web, in hand the figures are much more slicker or nice to look at.

PC monitors aren't that accurate in conveying a TF's "beauty".

Example:

Weirdwolf's face , well from nose below, is actually a bit orange while his visor is red. But images posted here,you can't tell the difference.

United/Legends/henkei Sandstorm, in images so bleeding orange when in reality, it isn't

Legends Galvatron as you mentioned. If the camera is not set right (must be a rushed session)you get that headache inducing show.

Orange and purple don't seem to translate well on certain monitors (and video cards)

[RAR]

Isn't it an issue with IDW that unlike say DC's Superman they don't impose "House" Character designs as much on people drawing the comic so whenever there is an artist change someone like Bumblebee has changed his appearance more times than I've had Hot diners and only some Character seem to maintain a look - others don't.

So Chromedome has some modest variation by artist in his design. I don't actually see the IDW typical Chromedome head (as say used in the Botcon toy) to be that hugely different anyway he still has the ears and the V shaped visor after all and the colours are broadly similar.

It's like comparing all the existing options they don't all match up but they are still all obviously Chromedome still, so doesn't it in part come down to personal preference or what sort of collection you are trying to make.

As for Blurr - All I cared about was how he displayed with Roadbuster I like the Hasbro ones but I also like the other options too.

[Logan.]

[Kurona]

Isn't it an issue with IDW that unlike say DC's Superman they don't impose "House" Character designs as much on people drawing the comic so whenever there is an artist change someone like Bumblebee has changed his appearance more times than I've had Hot diners and only some Character seem to maintain a look - others don't.

So Chromedome has some modest variation by artist in his design. I don't actually see the IDW typical Chromedome head (as say used in the Botcon toy) to be that hugely different anyway he still has the ears and the V shaped visor after all and the colours are broadly similar.

It's like comparing all the existing options they don't all match up but they are still all obviously Chromedome still, so doesn't it in part come down to personal preference or what sort of collection you are trying to make.

As for Blurr - All I cared about was how he displayed with Roadbuster I like the Hasbro ones but I also like the other options too.

Actually, the IDW design for Chromedome has stayed like this for the entirety of the run from his first appearance to his latest.



The only 'variation' would be a different style due to artist, but it's still this exact design. The only time he didn't use it was very specifically in a pre-war flashback.

The same goes for every character in MTMTE. The only time characters really switch bodies is either due to an in-story reason (admittedly, sometimes to sell toys like in combiner wars) or between series.

[Sabrblade]

^ Except for his appearance in the "Chaos" storyline, which basically just had him looking like his classic G1 look:

[Emerje]

Even though I don't really care for the Legends Chromedome figure as a whole, I do really like the face sculpt and how it looks like you could take his mask off. Some really nice sculpting in there around the eyes between the mask and helmet.

Emerje

[Relic0037]

I plan to pick these two up along with Highbrow & Brainstorm when they come out. Then the only one I will be missing from the main cast is Scorponok. Hopefully, we get one at some point, despite him losing out to Tripticon in that fan vote awhile back.

[no-one]

I feel like the headmaster gimmick is becoming an overkill. Everyone is a Headmaster now regardless if they were so in fiction.

That can be said about Unite Warriors too, even more so than Combiner Wars. Now that was a big time overkill.

A new Sunstreaker? Combiner
Deluxe Ghost Starscream? Combiner
Classics Armada Thrust? Combiner
G1 style Trailbreaker? Combiner
A new Ironhide? Yay! Oh no wait, its also a combiner
And after 30 years we finally get skylynx redone and he is a freaken combiner!?!?

And this was worse than TR because while TR gives them a gimick they didnt have before, it doesn't limit the toy's possible uniqueness, or general look. Scourge, Blurr and Trigerhappy still look very much like themselves and all have nice transformations that are all their own. But with UW/CW, the fact that they are redecos fo the same mold means they arent all that unique, nor do they look the part. Ironhide looks nothing like his G1 self and all the cars have fake parts for the chest (like Wheeljack, Sunstreaker, and the Datsuns). And Skylynx is made smaller and gutted of his seperate lynx and bird modes.

I still have many of these toys and do not regret my purchases, but I did mean to show that TR handles the shared gimick much better than Combiner Wars did when it comes to homaging the look and idiosyncratic nature of these characters.

Maybe a massive cash grab sales strategy to ensure that each component/character/products gets sold (I'm speaking of the UW/CW lines)

Btw, I agree with your views with that. Seems like every modern versions of iconic G1 characters are combiners now. Trouble is, it is sort of a lazy way to re-introduce them. At least the classics had their own unique molds without having to deal with their connector pegs. TR also with the Hm overkill so they have to add playsets now for our make believe forts and bases.

You can only squeeze a gimmick so far but hey, it's capitalism.

Maybe somewhere down the road Hb will recycle the Furby gimmick where each tf fig has a chip that will unlock a different set of phrases when placed in front of certain figures that won't be heard if placed with another (hear that Hb...I'm giving you another recycled idea to implement

The problem I see with the CW/UW and TR line is the over use of a gimmick. TFs already have a gimmick, they transform. I find combiners and headmasters fun and I have no issues with traditionally non "fill in the blank" characters now being "fill in the blank" characters. Mainly because I see TFs as a continuously changing and evolving species anyway. What I have a problem with is why does the entire line (with exception of a few) all have to have the same gimmick? Sure the primary focus can be on combiners or headmasters, but variety is the spice of life. I feel they limit the designers by making them shoehorn in gimmicks.

OK Chromedome, I'm glad the Hasbro version went with an IDW style, them eyes on the legends fig creeps me out.

Speaking of Youheidx...

[fenrir72]

Just opened some of my haul.

Weirdwolf initially you would barf.........what the holy frackin' hollowness?! But the hollowness makes sense. Takara/Hb hit a home run with the flip down the chest to his crotch transform sequence. So ingenious! Skull( old haul), despite the loose legs, is below awesome but above average. There is only so much to squeeze out of his animal mode anyway.

Scourge, isn't so much a shellformer anymore. Too bad his Hb version has "neck" issues. But overall, another fine piece of engineering.

Blurr? If only an Elita-1 could be based from him in the future. Hardheard (old haul)? Again, based on his original brick mold, how it transitioned into all those poseablility....kudos again to the designers.

Galvatron? That helmet gimmick ruined an otherwise great update.

I'll repeat again about "Fortress". The head part of the 'max package. Compared to the original brick

Now I'm on to opening Wheelie and Blaster.........

[Logan.]

Thanks to e-HOBBY SHOP

[Cobotron]

MAN! That is a majestic Lio-bot. Getting hard to ignore.

But what I really need to do is replace my original.

Note to all: Candles and collections don't mix.

[Logan.]

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[Wolfman Jake]

MAN! That is a majestic Lio-bot. Getting hard to ignore.

But what I really need to do is replace my original.

Note to all: Candles and collections don't mix.

Looks like Lio Convoy got a little too friendly with Scourge during "The Burden Hardest to Bear."

[william-james88]

Amiami has more new images for us, and this time for Transformers Legends LG41 Leo Prime (Lio Convoy depending on the listing). These are the same images as before but bigger, clearer and without any watermark. They show that Infinitus is indeed the Titan Master this toy comes with. With Takara's trend of using their legends molds for only one character, at least for normal retail releases, this will be Japan's use of the Alpha Trion mold, making both characters exclusive to their respective companies/markets.

He is currently available for preorders at both US and Japanese based online stores and the price ranges from $35 - $55 depending on whether it is imported or not.

Enjoy!







Update: here are som comparison images with Alpha Trion for those interested.

[william-james88]

Update with comparison images:







And I noticed something: Takara does not have more paint apps than Hasbro, at least not a significant number more (they do paint the clear plastic cosckpit). But another point that sadens me a bit is that Takara didnt paint the snout of the lion or give it any painted detail. WHY?! Thats something I get from hasbro but Takara not doing it too is a bit odd.

[Kurona]

I really don't like that they used Infinitus. They could have used the Voyager Prime head or even re-used their own Ginrai head (the titan master, not the helmet), but this one just doesn't work for Lio Convoy.

Also, unless I'm mistaken, he seems to have an extra gun? In the vehicle mode picture there's a blue gun on the left side of the vehicle (where the sword is on the right side). Is that something that came with Trion?