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[fenrir72]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Chromedome the leader of the Headmasters in the Japanese cartoon? Fort Max was the overall big cheese but Chromedome handled field command?

Gen. Hawk is to Duke as Fort Max is to Chromedome?

You got it in reverse. Gen Hawk to Fortress and Duke as Chromedome. There was an episode in HM that Chromedome, burning with rage after his buddy (Abel iirc)was killed by Sixshot ( it was the Zarak shield arc) that Chromedome wanted to/started a search and destroy mission. They already engaged in a free for all battle until Fortress talked some sense into him.

Continue this and you risk destroying planet Master and the civilian population.

So Fortmax eventually overrode him.

[Cyberpath]

Alfes2010 has some in-hand pix up...


LG24 https://twitter.com/Alfes2010/status/769058587159195648




LG25 https://twitter.com/Alfes2010/status/769065195935326210




LG26 https://twitter.com/Alfes2010/status/769066157533954051

[Cyberpath]

Does anyone know where you can still order a scourge? I've checked most places but it's all out of stock preorders.

HLJ still has him, as of writing this (low stock!) --

http://hlj.com/product/TKT86851

[Va'al]

As fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath notifies us, Japanese toy blogger Alfes2010 has clearly a lot of spare time and spare toys of recent, and they're delving into the upcoming Takara Tomy Transformers Legends releases: LG 24 Shockwave (and Titan Master Cancer), LG 25 Blurr, LG 26 Scourge. Check them out, as some fairly amusing poses make it into the mix too (is Blurr's Headmaster doing what it looks like it's doing..?)

[leokearon]

Having seen a couple of pics of Cancer/Crashbash being used instead of Lokos, exactly how well do the Titan Masters work as Headmaster Jr heads

[Optimum Supreme]

Hmmm... I think I prefer Hasbro's Scourge.

[william-james88]

Hmmm... I think I prefer Hasbro's Scourge.

I do too, the vehicle mode rocks on Hasbro's version!

As for the Robot mode, I find both as dull. Takara breaks up the colour a bit, but not enough, and thas because they'd rather stick to the animation model.

If anyone asked me which one below was the Takara one, and i didnt know, I wouldsay the one on the right simply because it has more dtail highlighted in paint apps, especially those nice paint apps on the side with silver and dark blue.

[Decepticon Stryker]

I really like Shockwave. At first he looked periwinkle (or a light purple) to me but these in hand images make him look s much better. Unfortunately I might not get him since I have CW Shockwave.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Hmmm... I think I prefer Hasbro's Scourge.

I do too, the vehicle mode rocks on Hasbro's version!

As for the Robot mode, I find both as dull. Takara breaks up the colour a bit, but not enough, and thas because they'd rather stick to the animation model.

If anyone asked me which one below was the Takara one, and i didnt know, I wouldsay the one on the right simply because it has more dtail highlighted in paint apps, especially those nice paint apps on the side with silver and dark blue.

I still like the TakaraTomy vehicle mode more, since the deco looks more... focused? As in, no random paint apps just for the sake of bringing out detail and accenting. As artists can attest, too many accents can bury the total look from view.

[Sabrblade]

Having seen a couple of pics of Cancer/Crashbash being used instead of Lokos, exactly how well do the Titan Masters work as Headmaster Jr heads

It's just sitting there on the body. No attachment involved.

[Sabrblade]

Summary of the Shockwave & Cancer Prequel comic:

In 2021, the Autobot Second Army has activated the transtector factory in G Nebula 89, and though they're routing all their energy into the factory's operations and thus run the risk of being unable to defend it, Grand Maximus insists that they must do their part of the plan to resurrect Optimus Prime on Cybertron. His own contribution is to implement the "Super Convoy Project", a plan to recreate the transtector that was meant for Prime but turned into Ginrai, but first he must find shelter for Cancer, Bullhorn, Wilder and Clouder, who've smuggled themselves into the base in search of new transtectors following their final battle.

With the base under siege by Overlord's troops and the space bridge network broken, Grand believes the only place where the humans can be safe is in the Legends Universe, and coordinates the opening of a portal with Fortress (who is less than enthused to receive the humans, but relents when his brother calls him out on getting too used to a peaceful life). Arriving in the Legends world, the former Headmaster Juniors are reunited with their Autobot counterparts, Minerva, Cab and Shūta, who explain that they joined Fortress's crew in search of them. As an apology for making them worry, Bullhorn presents them with new Headmaster-Braces that let them turn into Headmasters again. At that moment, Shockwave appears in the Legends Universe in search of Megatron, and marks Cancer as imperative to his plan...

[X3ROhour]

I don't know if it has been discussed as of yet,

But

Blur
His canopy in vehicle mode...
WTFudge?

Am I doing something off?

I transform my new little buddy into vehicle mode
As one does
And
For some unknown reasons
(clearly my own fault)
The canopy does not
Can not
Will not
Form a seal over my littler buddy, Hyperfire.

Wassupwiddat?

[camzilla51]

Hmmm... I think I prefer Hasbro's Scourge.

I do too, the vehicle mode rocks on Hasbro's version!

As for the Robot mode, I find both as dull. Takara breaks up the colour a bit, but not enough, and thas because they'd rather stick to the animation model.

If anyone asked me which one below was the Takara one, and i didnt know, I wouldsay the one on the right simply because it has more dtail highlighted in paint apps, especially those nice paint apps on the side with silver and dark blue.

I still like the TakaraTomy vehicle mode more, since the deco looks more... focused? As in, no random paint apps just for the sake of bringing out detail and accenting. As artists can attest, too many accents can bury the total look from view.

I like that the Japanese version helps to get across the idea of the shape that it's supposed to be. I find that the domestic version has a hard time because the blue doesn't extend far enough, and it points out that molding problem where the shins end and the feet begin. It looks like a clunky cut-off. In hand, it's okay when you can look at it from certain angles, but the extended blue on the other one helps to guide your eye through that. It takes the white and makes it look like a long, sweeping stripe that goes all the way around the vehicle.

I mean if nothing else (meaning not getting one to be my proper scourge and letting the 2010 one and the TR one be my sweeps), then I could just paint such details on my domestic one and keep that cool side detailing everyone else is talking about. The reprolabels set tries, but I feel that it doesn't go far enough for what I think it needs.

[X3ROhour]

Hmmm... I think I prefer Hasbro's Scourge.

I do too, the vehicle mode rocks on Hasbro's version!

As for the Robot mode, I find both as dull. Takara breaks up the colour a bit, but not enough, and thas because they'd rather stick to the animation model.

If anyone asked me which one below was the Takara one, and i didnt know, I wouldsay the one on the right simply because it has more dtail highlighted in paint apps, especially those nice paint apps on the side with silver and dark blue.

I still like the TakaraTomy vehicle mode more, since the deco looks more... focused? As in, no random paint apps just for the sake of bringing out detail and accenting. As artists can attest, too many accents can bury the total look from view.

I'm... conflicted.

I like Hasbro's exterior paint.
The silver, etc.

But I dig Takara's interiors.
And the touch on the blaster.

As for Blurr,
I really, really love Tak's colors!
Hasbro's seems fine-ish on the outside
But
The bot is way too monochromatic.
Cool
But a little...
Blah?

It's all moot anyway

I am a very patient man
But
I could not hold myself back any longer.
Heh!

Love is a fickle mistress...
And PLASTIC CRACK IS AN EVIL WHORE!

Oops.

I love you still, my darlings!
PLEASE DON'T ABANDON ME!

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I don't know if it has been discussed as of yet,

But

Blur
His canopy in vehicle mode...
WTFudge?

Am I doing something off?

I transform my new little buddy into vehicle mode
As one does
And
For some unknown reasons
(clearly my own fault)
The canopy does not
Can not
Will not
Form a seal over my littler buddy, Hyperfire.

Wassupwiddat?

Do you have pictures? the canopy is not supposed to close as far as it does in vehicle mode as in robot mode, but a picture would help us help you!

[Hellscream9999]

Blurr
His canopy in vehicle mode...

I transform my new little buddy into vehicle mode
As one does
And
For some unknown reasons
(clearly my own fault)
The canopy does not
Can not
Will not
Form a seal over my littler buddy, Hyperfire.

The answer is no, no it does not:

[camzilla51]

Hmmm... I think I prefer Hasbro's Scourge.

I do too, the vehicle mode rocks on Hasbro's version!

As for the Robot mode, I find both as dull. Takara breaks up the colour a bit, but not enough, and thas because they'd rather stick to the animation model.

If anyone asked me which one below was the Takara one, and i didnt know, I wouldsay the one on the right simply because it has more dtail highlighted in paint apps, especially those nice paint apps on the side with silver and dark blue.

I still like the TakaraTomy vehicle mode more, since the deco looks more... focused? As in, no random paint apps just for the sake of bringing out detail and accenting. As artists can attest, too many accents can bury the total look from view.

I'm... conflicted.

I like Hasbro's exterior paint.
The silver, etc.

But I dig Takara's interiors.
And the touch on the blaster.

As for Blurr,
I really, really love Tak's colors!
Hasbro's seems fine-ish on the outside
But
The bot is way too monochromatic.
Cool
But a little...
Blah?

It's all moot anyway

I am a very patient man
But
I could not hold myself back any longer.
Heh!

Love is a fickle mistress...
And PLASTIC CRACK IS AN EVIL WHORE!

Oops.

I love you still, my darlings!
PLEASE DON'T ABANDON ME!

First of all, I dig your typing style, it's funny

Secondly, I agree about Blurr. I want to like it, but it has few colors other than blue. I get that it's supposed to be a toy accurate version, but... When you look at the toy it's trying to reference, I mean even THAT toy has more color variation than this new one. I can't get into it. And the reprolabels set didn't do much to break that up.

But every time I see this version, it fills me with joy. I need this in my collection.

[Targetmaster Kup]

Hasbro has the better vehicle mode, hand down. These pictures make Blurr look way too bright!

[william-james88]

I get that it's supposed to be a toy accurate version, but... When you look at the toy it's trying to reference, I mean even THAT toy has more color variation than this new one.

It being toy accurate is just something us fans came up with to make ourselves sleep better at night. As you say, its not even toy accurate that much. Hasbro never said thats what they were referencing, their references are all over the place these days. From what they said, they consider these new versions of these characters, including new decos not necessarily referencing anything. In reality, they just went with the usual way of having less paint apps.

And about the differences with the Scourge alt mode decos, I totally see what is meant by hasbro's added paint apps interupting the shape of the figure, but I still truly believe that if the Takara paint job had been on the Hasbro toy, many would have cried foul at the lack of paint apps. Especially in comparison to the other version which would have that detail on the side with the silver rims.

[camzilla51]

I get that it's supposed to be a toy accurate version, but... When you look at the toy it's trying to reference, I mean even THAT toy has more color variation than this new one.

It being toy accurate is just something us fans came up with to make ourselves sleep better at night. As you say, its not even toy accurate that much. Hasbro never said thats what they were referencing, their references are all over the place these days. From what they said, they consider these new versions of these characters, including new decos not necessarily referencing anything. In reality, they just went with the usual way of having less paint apps.

And about the differences with the Scourge alt mode decos, I totally see what is meant by hasbro's added paint apps interupting the shape of the figure, but I still truly believe that if the Takara paint job had been on the Hasbro toy, many would have cried foul at the lack of paint apps. Especially in comparison to the other version which would have that detail on the side with the silver rims.

What if the takara version had the side detail then? Say it was those silver peg hole bits. Would it be perfect then? I'm also looking at the blue stripes on the side, and I think those might be best omitted.

I mean, for all intents and purposes, say you were the person in charge of the paint app placement at hasbro, right? How would you do it?

[Cyberpath]

So is this an homage to TFA-Shockwave where he was featured as a double agent (style Counter/Punch)?

Source: https://twitter.com/ripetakobozu

Source: https://twitter.com/Alfes2010

[Targetmaster Kup]

I get that it's supposed to be a toy accurate version, but... When you look at the toy it's trying to reference, I mean even THAT toy has more color variation than this new one.

It being toy accurate is just something us fans came up with to make ourselves sleep better at night. As you say, its not even toy accurate that much. Hasbro never said thats what they were referencing, their references are all over the place these days. From what they said, they consider these new versions of these characters, including new decos not necessarily referencing anything. In reality, they just went with the usual way of having less paint apps.

And about the differences with the Scourge alt mode decos, I totally see what is meant by hasbro's added paint apps interupting the shape of the figure, but I still truly believe that if the Takara paint job had been on the Hasbro toy, many would have cried foul at the lack of paint apps. Especially in comparison to the other version which would have that detail on the side with the silver rims.

Actually at the least con they confirmed that they were going for toy accurate colors in the Titans Return line and in the future.

[william-james88]

What if the takara version had the side detail then? Say it was those silver peg hole bits. Would it be perfect then?

Yeah, that would definitely make me stop thinking Hasbro was equivalent in paint job.

And thats how I would do it, the takara paint job with those side details painted, just to break up the white to day and not ignore molded detail. Also with the red painted on the side gun/lasers. I know Hasbro did that but I cant tell if Takara painted those openings red too.

Actually at the least con they confirmed that they were going for toy accurate colors in the Titans Return line and in the future.

It was ?! Do you have a quote or a link ot where you say that? Because from what I heard and read (no proof though), it seemed that Hasbro left it to the designer and it wasnt specific homages. All interviews point towards the decos being different to previous versions to as to distinguish this toy from the old and make it more new.

[william-james88]

Our Japanese correspondent Matt in Japan has acquired Legends LG25 Blurr which has just been released at Japanese retail. He sent over some in hand pictures and them being taken in a different lighting than the more professional lighting we have seen before could give you a better idea of what he looks like and how bright the colours are. He also shows us the Headmaster unit and accessories. You can compare how those look to the Hasbro version in our galleries. He also sent us images of the Legends comic he comes with. These have been pretty great at fleshing out the Headmaster concept in the Japanese G1 continuity and how these toys fit in.

Fellow Seibertronian Sabrblade explains the comic for us, which deals with a curcial part that was never explained in G1:

The comic is showing part of what happened to Blurr, Rodimus Prime, and Kup after they left the show (The Headmasters, that is) to go into space after Cybertron was destroyed. Looks like they found Planet Micro and Rodimus became a Microtransformer (a Micromaster).
[Shockwave]is going by the name "Longarm" in that disguised form of his (good thing there's no one named "Longarm" in any G1 fiction).

[Fox Thiagarajan]

Lg Blurr is looking sharp.