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[SW's SilverHammer]

I wanted to take more Pictures of Brainstorm's firm buttocks, but he dosesn't have one. Also his back kibble makes it hard to do the classics "pushed up against the bed" body pillow pose.

You... WHAT!?

It's called #Equality both dudes and ladies get objectified. Especially the dudes.........wait.

[Solus Prime]

I wanted to take more Pictures of Brainstorm's firm buttocks, but he dosesn't have one. Also his back kibble makes it hard to do the classics "pushed up against the bed" body pillow pose.

You... WHAT!?

It's called #Equality both dudes and ladies get objectified. Especially the dudes.........wait.

And where is his briefcase?

[SW's SilverHammer]

I wanted to take more Pictures of Brainstorm's firm buttocks, but he dosesn't have one. Also his back kibble makes it hard to do the classics "pushed up against the bed" body pillow pose.

You... WHAT!?

It's called #Equality both dudes and ladies get objectified. Especially the dudes.........wait.

And where is his briefcase?

It's....."on" his "person"

[Solus Prime]

I wanted to take more Pictures of Brainstorm's firm buttocks, but he dosesn't have one. Also his back kibble makes it hard to do the classics "pushed up against the bed" body pillow pose.

You... WHAT!?

It's called #Equality both dudes and ladies get objectified. Especially the dudes.........wait.

And where is his briefcase?

It's....."on" his "person"

It's not what im thinking, Right??

[Cobotron]

I wanted to take more Pictures of Brainstorm's firm buttocks, but he dosesn't have one. Also his back kibble makes it hard to do the classics "pushed up against the bed" body pillow pose.

You... WHAT!?

Robutts for everyone.

Robutts in Disguise

Robutts on THESE GUYS!

[Va'al]

I wanted to take more Pictures of Brainstorm's firm buttocks, but he dosesn't have one. Also his back kibble makes it hard to do the classics "pushed up against the bed" body pillow pose.

You... WHAT!?

Robutts for everyone.

Robutts in Disguise

Robutts on THESE GUYS!

What did I say about derailing the thread?

(And that joke works a lot better in the comicsphere..)

[Cobotron]

Of course as usual I really like the colors on this Tak release better than the domestic. No surprise there.
I'm a little confused about the discrepancy over the different hands. I have the domestic release with closed hands. Last night I shaved the plastic out of the palms to do away with the stop, keeping her weapon handles from fitting all the way down in her hands. It was an easy fix with an Xacto knife that caused no damage to the toy, or the integrity of the plastic. I imagine if the Tak release has these stops the same remedy would apply.
Either version is really nice, and it's just great to finally have a good Arcee toy that fits into the CHUG universe. Energon scout Arcee has been returned to her proper shelf.

[Burn]

*wanders into thread*
*sees SWSH's posts*
...
*wanders back out*
#Immagetduragripinhere

[Solus Prime]

Of course as usual I really like the colors on this Tak release better than the domestic. No surprise there.
I'm a little confused about the discrepancy over the different hands. I have the domestic release with closed hands. Last night I shaved the plastic out of the palms to do away with the stop, keeping her weapon handles from fitting all the way down in her hands. It was an easy fix with an Xacto knife that caused no damage to the toy, or the integrity of the plastic. I imagine if the Tak release has these stops the same remedy would apply.
Either version is really nice, and it's just great to finally have a good Arcee toy that fits into the CHUG universe. Energon scout Arcee has been returned to her proper shelf.

Very well said

[Wolfman Jake]

Megatron Wolf mentioned earlier about this being systemic, and we all seem to have figured out that there is definitely something about that pose that says 'feminine'. And that is comproved when a 'masculine' character like Brainstorm is shown in the same pose. Yes, I agree, it is systemic.

Actually...that was me who said that, Va'al. Guess all werewolves look alike to you, huh? Your so speciesist!

I'm a cryptospecieist, clearly.

It's okay, Va'al. I forgive you. Now the healing can begin!

[Evil Eye]

*Rant below*
Honestly? To me she just looks like she's lounging around. Nothing about this screams "sexist" or "objectified". She hasn't gotten her legs spread or her chest/arse thrust towards the camera, and really she doesn't look like she's doing anything other than chilling out or maybe waving at the camera. She isn't even the main focus of the pic- the central element is clearly the boxed figure. And let's be realistic here- TFYuki picked that pose whilst messing with her because it was a fun, cute way of showing off the figure and she held the pose well, not as part of some ludicrous mustache-twirling plot to objectify women. Who hasn't given their figures a silly pose before? The Sarkeesian brigade need to chill out a bit, or are we going to need to start #ArceeGate?

Anyway, I really like this figure- I think I might pick her up. One can never have too many fembots after all, and my Charming Drossel could do with some more companions.

[fenrir72]

Arcee's artbox shows she comes with two different gun molds? One pink and one black?



The domestic release have both weapons black. Would the pink and black deco be implemented in the Legends release?

[Sabrblade]

Arcee's artbox shows she comes with two different gun molds? One pink and one black?



The domestic release have both weapons black. Would the pink and black deco be implemented in the Legends release?

They're same guns that came with the Hasbro version. Takara just colored them show-accurate for their release:

[fenrir72]

Arcee's artbox shows she comes with two different gun molds? One pink and one black?



The domestic release have both weapons black. Would the pink and black deco be implemented in the Legends release?

They're same guns that came with the Hasbro version. Takara just colored them show-accurate for their release:

Which means.the Legends versions will have a pink and black gun? ( In Yuki's pic, at the angle, I see the pink one) So the boxart and the contents are essentially the same?

[grimdragon2001]

Arcee's artbox shows she comes with two different gun molds? One pink and one black?



The domestic release have both weapons black. Would the pink and black deco be implemented in the Legends release?

They're same guns that came with the Hasbro version. Takara just colored them show-accurate for their release:

Which means.the Legends versions will have a pink and black gun? ( In Yuki's pic, at the angle, I see the pink one) So the boxart and the contents are essentially the same?

Yea, more than likely the other gun is stored in the vehicle mode since it helps hold the arms together, either that or just out of view

[Sabrblade]

Arcee's artbox shows she comes with two different gun molds? One pink and one black?



The domestic release have both weapons black. Would the pink and black deco be implemented in the Legends release?

They're same guns that came with the Hasbro version. Takara just colored them show-accurate for their release:

Which means.the Legends versions will have a pink and black gun? ( In Yuki's pic, at the angle, I see the pink one) So the boxart and the contents are essentially the same?

Here's an official stock photo that shows Takara Arcee's smaller gun in gray:

[fenrir72]

I wonder what actual ladies would have to say about the pose of that inanimate lump of plastic. My wife certainly rolled her eyes at this, and I'd be interested to hear what female members think about it.

At this point, my issue isn't with the pose itself so much as with the people really going out of their way to invalidate or mock the opinions of folks who do take issue with it. Seems very #GamerGate to me.

Whether or not you think there's some level of sexism/misogyny here, I would have expected the long absent Fembot figures to be treated with some caution. Arcee's pose isn't nearly as bad as the objectification of FlameWar and FlareUp, but given the potential for that perception, I had hoped they would have done something generic like Chromia's shot rather than potentially problematic silhouettes like Arcee's or scenes of the lady bots fawning over big strong Star Saber.

Not trying to ruffle feathers here, but I do think it's important for a predominantly male fandom to be conscious of these things.

This.

#GamerGate had a lot of legit issues which were quite similar to some issues raised by Rated X about the industry being too comfy with each other. The rest of the trash that followed was overkill. Let's leave it at that. As for people going out of their way to raise a legitimate counter to the issue raised about sexism, well you need to BACK UP your statements no?

I even raised the definition of "sexist". The pose in question when fitted with the term sexist really doesn't make sense at all.

Sexism can't be a one way street focused only at the female gender. Males too are objectified hence I also posted pics of several bad@ss male transformers all projecting their BFGs. That Megatron pose by Guido Guidi........so makes you want to submit to him and bow down. Got to hand it to the artist for rendering an awesome pose.

It is quite silly that we have gone to a point of being so ultra sensitive that anything must be so "controversial" that we have to think if I'm hurting someone.....is this kind of Orwellian already? Really, I didn't see the pose of Arcee making me want to turn females into submissive underdogs/servants/slaves etc. Nada....nothing.

I really don't see anything "sexual" in TFs. Just the never ending battle between good and evil. If you want sexual, go to regular canned live shows or reality garbage in network shows. You've got more than enough of those. In animation? Well you have anime, if those are your kicks.

It seems you can NEVER please a significant member of society......its gone to a point of being a Grievance Society.......no Industry. I'd bet someone in the gunless movement will protest against making MP Megatron as a propaganda tool for the NRA or selling toys like Legends "tank" Megatron as encouraging kids to go to war will get targetted by Code Pink and those Peaceniks.

It has spilled out to a point that the anti tobacco laws (which I support as it, tobacco KILLS people with Cancer) has caused legal issues with the sale of MP-Exhaust, which though already modified the "Malboor" logo is still an issue at selling it domestically).

It has come to a point of silliness. Peace.

[fenrir72]

Arcee's artbox shows she comes with two different gun molds? One pink and one black?



The domestic release have both weapons black. Would the pink and black deco be implemented in the Legends release?

They're same guns that came with the Hasbro version. Takara just colored them show-accurate for their release:

Which means.the Legends versions will have a pink and black gun? ( In Yuki's pic, at the angle, I see the pink one) So the boxart and the contents are essentially the same?

Here's an official stock photo that shows Takara Arcee's smaller gun in gray:

Points up for Tomy Arcee then.

Anime accurate color apps
Weapon color anime accurate
Nice looking box
Design almost similar to the original scratch and build kit by Mr. Masterpiece.

[SKYWARPED_128]

I wonder what actual ladies would have to say about the pose of that inanimate lump of plastic. My wife certainly rolled her eyes at this, and I'd be interested to hear what female members think about it.

At this point, my issue isn't with the pose itself so much as with the people really going out of their way to invalidate or mock the opinions of folks who do take issue with it. Seems very #GamerGate to me.

Whether or not you think there's some level of sexism/misogyny here, I would have expected the long absent Fembot figures to be treated with some caution. Arcee's pose isn't nearly as bad as the objectification of FlameWar and FlareUp, but given the potential for that perception, I had hoped they would have done something generic like Chromia's shot rather than potentially problematic silhouettes like Arcee's or scenes of the lady bots fawning over big strong Star Saber.

Not trying to ruffle feathers here, but I do think it's important for a predominantly male fandom to be conscious of these things.

This.

#GamerGate had a lot of legit issues which were quite similar to some issues raised by Rated X about the industry being too comfy with each other. The rest of the trash that followed was overkill. Let's leave it at that. As for people going out of their way to raise a legitimate counter to the issue raised about sexism, well you need to BACK UP your statements no?

I even raised the definition of "sexist". The pose in question when fitted with the term sexist really doesn't make sense at all.

Sexism can't be a one way street focused only at the female gender. Males too are objectified hence I also posted pics of several bad@ss male transformers all projecting their BFGs. That Megatron pose by Guido Guidi........so makes you want to submit to him and bow down. Got to hand it to the artist for rendering an awesome pose.

It is quite silly that we have gone to a point of being so ultra sensitive that anything must be so "controversial" that we have to think if I'm hurting someone.....is this kind of Orwellian already? Really, I didn't see the pose of Arcee making me want to turn females into submissive underdogs/servants/slaves etc. Nada....nothing.

I really don't see anything "sexual" in TFs. Just the never ending battle between good and evil. If you want sexual, go to regular canned live shows or reality garbage in network shows. You've got more than enough of those. In animation? Well you have anime, if those are your kicks.

It seems you can NEVER please a significant member of society......its gone to a point of being a Grievance Society.......no Industry. I'd bet someone in the gunless movement will protest against making MP Megatron as a propaganda tool for the NRA or selling toys like Legends "tank" Megatron as encouraging kids to go to war will get targetted by Code Pink and those Peaceniks.

It has spilled out to a point that the anti tobacco laws (which I support as it, tobacco KILLS people with Cancer) has caused legal issues with the sale of MP-Exhaust, which though already modified the "Malboor" logo is still an issue at selling it domestically).

It has come to a point of silliness. Peace.

Just saying, but if you read Megatronus' post more closely, he's not necessarily agreeing with you.

[SKYWARPED_128]

BTW, just putting this out there, but to those who've already got the Hasbro version, is Arcee's head easy to remove, as in a simple ball jointed neck?

Meant to get the Hasbro version for a custom job (new paint, and a custom head), but they were all snatched up real quick. I might still get the TT version if the head is removable. At least I won't have to repaint anything since the TT version's white joints and collar area are more flattering to the fig.

[fenrir72]

I wonder what actual ladies would have to say about the pose of that inanimate lump of plastic. My wife certainly rolled her eyes at this, and I'd be interested to hear what female members think about it.

At this point, my issue isn't with the pose itself so much as with the people really going out of their way to invalidate or mock the opinions of folks who do take issue with it. Seems very #GamerGate to me.

Whether or not you think there's some level of sexism/misogyny here, I would have expected the long absent Fembot figures to be treated with some caution. Arcee's pose isn't nearly as bad as the objectification of FlameWar and FlareUp, but given the potential for that perception, I had hoped they would have done something generic like Chromia's shot rather than potentially problematic silhouettes like Arcee's or scenes of the lady bots fawning over big strong Star Saber.

Not trying to ruffle feathers here, but I do think it's important for a predominantly male fandom to be conscious of these things.

This.

#GamerGate had a lot of legit issues which were quite similar to some issues raised by Rated X about the industry being too comfy with each other. The rest of the trash that followed was overkill. Let's leave it at that. As for people going out of their way to raise a legitimate counter to the issue raised about sexism, well you need to BACK UP your statements no?

I even raised the definition of "sexist". The pose in question when fitted with the term sexist really doesn't make sense at all.

Sexism can't be a one way street focused only at the female gender. Males too are objectified hence I also posted pics of several bad@ss male transformers all projecting their BFGs. That Megatron pose by Guido Guidi........so makes you want to submit to him and bow down. Got to hand it to the artist for rendering an awesome pose.

It is quite silly that we have gone to a point of being so ultra sensitive that anything must be so "controversial" that we have to think if I'm hurting someone.....is this kind of Orwellian already? Really, I didn't see the pose of Arcee making me want to turn females into submissive underdogs/servants/slaves etc. Nada....nothing.

I really don't see anything "sexual" in TFs. Just the never ending battle between good and evil. If you want sexual, go to regular canned live shows or reality garbage in network shows. You've got more than enough of those. In animation? Well you have anime, if those are your kicks.

It seems you can NEVER please a significant member of society......its gone to a point of being a Grievance Society.......no Industry. I'd bet someone in the gunless movement will protest against making MP Megatron as a propaganda tool for the NRA or selling toys like Legends "tank" Megatron as encouraging kids to go to war will get targetted by Code Pink and those Peaceniks.

It has spilled out to a point that the anti tobacco laws (which I support as it, tobacco KILLS people with Cancer) has caused legal issues with the sale of MP-Exhaust, which though already modified the "Malboor" logo is still an issue at selling it domestically).

It has come to a point of silliness. Peace.

Just saying, but if you read Megatronus' post more closely, he's not necessarily agreeing with you.

Yup. Read it. All this sensitivity has gone quite amuck. That's just my piece.

So if let's say Strika was released, she's built like a tank and not too humanoid looking, heaven forbid another gender issue is raised. Wish that when it comes to Transformers, PC politics such as this is kept away. Let's complain about the price of the Tomy against the Hasbro. Or how Hasbro's domestic distribution policies suck or how scalpers are the bane of the hobby.Or TFA artstyle sucks etc. I'm game with that.

Back to Legends, behold TF Yuki's fanwank on Windblade






https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/56354 ... 80/photo/1

[SKYWARPED_128]

Yup. Read it. All this sensitivity has gone quite amuck. That's just my piece.

Yeah, you made your point very clear, that people have become too sensitive and PC about the alleged sexualization and objectification of female TF's. But his point is precisely that Hasbro or whoever's in charge of taking these pics should indeed be more careful in avoiding the objectification of the female characters. Isn't that the opposite of what you've been trying to say?

So if let's say Strika was released, she's built like a tank and not too humanoid looking, heaven forbid another gender issue is raised. Wish that when it comes to Transformers, PC politics such as this is kept away. Let's complain about the price of the Tomy against the Hasbro. Or how Hasbro's domestic distribution policies suck or how scalpers are the bane of the hobby.Or TFA artstyle sucks etc. I'm game with that.

Totally agreed. Like I said, it's pretty tiresome when almost every thread about a fembot fig has to be tied to complaints of sexism. Granted, it's still not nearly as bad here as it is at tfw2005. Over there, even when the subject is Strika, people start posting things like, "Now THIS is how a fembot should look like! Twigs and supermodels like Arcee and Chromia are sexist and chauvinistic!" And then come the counter-posts and it all gets turned into a "femnazis vs chauvinist pigs" death match.

Back to Legends, behold TF Yuki's fanwank on Windblade






https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/56354 ... 80/photo/1

Meh, I like mine better...



...kidding, of course. The colors on my pic are really washed out.

[Va'al]

As I said, I'd rather the discussion were held elsewhere. Thank you.

[Va'al]

Thanks to a tip by fellow Seibertronian fenrir72, we've mirrored below the (possibly) last batch of images from unofficial Takara Tomy PR guy Hisashi Yuki and his twitter feed - check out below a shot on the Japanese deco of deluxe Windblade, along with wave mates Chromia and Arcee, including the packaging. Do these convince you to purchase the Legends version, stick with Hasbro, or double-dip? Let us know in the Energon Pub!

[fenrir72]

Yup. Read it. All this sensitivity has gone quite amuck. That's just my piece.

Yeah, you made your point very clear, that people have become too sensitive and PC about the alleged sexualization and objectification of female TF's. But his point is precisely that Hasbro or whoever's in charge of taking these pics should indeed be more careful in avoiding the objectification of the female characters. Isn't that the opposite of what you've been trying to say?

So if let's say Strika was released, she's built like a tank and not too humanoid looking, heaven forbid another gender issue is raised. Wish that when it comes to Transformers, PC politics such as this is kept away. Let's complain about the price of the Tomy against the Hasbro. Or how Hasbro's domestic distribution policies suck or how scalpers are the bane of the hobby.Or TFA artstyle sucks etc. I'm game with that.

Totally agreed. Like I said, it's pretty tiresome when almost every thread about a fembot fig has to be tied to complaints of sexism. Granted, it's still not nearly as bad here as it is at tfw2005. Over there, even when the subject is Strika, people start posting things like, "Now THIS is how a fembot should look like! Twigs and supermodels like Arcee and Chromia are sexist and chauvinistic!" And then come the counter-posts and it all gets turned into a "femnazis vs chauvinist pigs" death match.

Back to Legends, behold TF Yuki's fanwank on Windblade






https://twitter.com/TFYUKI/status/56354 ... 80/photo/1

Meh, I like mine better...



...kidding, of course. The colors on my pic are really washed out.

I'm putting finis on that other "issue"

Now, concerning Windblade. I also own the domestic release and am quite satisfied for a 1st release. I feel the complaints against the mold is unwarranted..........BUT, the new face paint/deco that follows the art style done by the lady IDW artist Sarah Stone.........awesomesauce! The advantage of Tomy of having a delayed release. They can improve on what maybe a somewhat subdued 1st release product. From the vantage view we can see from these shots, it really accentuates Windblade's face details.