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by **Ultra Markus** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:05 am

wheres the big autobot symbols on the sides of Ultra-magnus

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 12:19 am

Ultra Markus wrote:wheres the big autobot symbols on the sides of Ultra-magnus

God Magnus never had

on the sides, nor did Fire Convoy: they were added for the RiD Optimus Prime and Ultra Magnus releases. In fact, the most common difference between Car Robot and RiD toys is just that.

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:44 am

Cleans up nicely. :-P

News Credits: 1 · by **megamanfan** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:09 am

mine just shipped from HLJ. can't wait to get it.

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:38 pm

Was the original Fire Convoy really that... yellow? Possible sun bleaching aside...

I'm even one of the rare people who loves chrome, so I was pretty let down to see the shiny loveliness removed for this reissue. But seeing the finished product... it looks damn good. It's more uniform, polished even. And Prime and Magnus have strikingly yellow eyes, so handsome. I'm pretty psyched for this now.

News Credits: 441 · by **Sabrblade** » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:22 pm

shajaki wrote:Was the original Fire Convoy really that... yellow?

It wasn't that badly yellowed, but it was admittedly a light creamish white.

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Sun Apr 01, 2018 12:22 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
shajaki wrote:Was the original Fire Convoy really that... yellow?
It wasn't that badly yellowed, but it was admittedly a light creamish white.

Even if the original is off-white, this is a definite improvement. All around.

News Credits: 11 · by **joevill** » Wed Apr 04, 2018 4:25 pm

How is the quality? Is it better than the original?

News Credits: 293 · by **shajaki** » Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:09 pm

joevill wrote:How is the quality? Is it better than the original?

I wasn't planning on opening him for a good while, but I'm tempted...

News Credits: 12 · by **Evil Eye** » Sun Apr 08, 2018 11:57 am

I've heard about mass reports from Japanese fans of misassembly, warped parts and general QC nightmares. That's kinda dampened my happiness for this. I still kinda want it, but not for the obscene price they're going for.

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:42 am

A lot of fans have been excited about the latest encore reissue from Takara Tomy Transformers, of the combining and parts forming two-figure set from Car Robots / Robots in Disguise - God Fire Convoy, or Omega Prime to Anglophone audiences.

However, there seem to be more issues than previously thought with the release of the Fire Convoy and God Magnus brothers, according to a number of reports and seemingly confirmed by a post on the Taiwanese Facebook group TFCN - though the news seems to clash with the actual release of the figure, that has already happened - the figure will be recalled due to quality issues and general not very goodness.

While we wait from an official communication of sorts, let us know what you think of this news. Do you have the figure in hand? Can you confirm the reports? Is your figure also not up to standard for a new toy?

It's a little late, but the most important news today should be this.
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This is a message from the last month, the encore series, the encore series, the series of after fire command, which will be cancelled because of the quality of product quality.

News Credits: 1 · by **Octobotimus** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:50 am

probably a recall to avoid people realizing its not worth the money.

News Credits: 56 · by **Nathaniel Prime** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:38 am

Yikes, for an expensive collectors' oriented reissue to have quality issues, I wouldn't think that would be worth my money at all... [-(

News Credits: 12 · by **Evil Eye** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:40 am

Oh dear. I sincerely hope they're gonna fix the problems and release it again (hopefully for a lower price). That sounds really, really bad.

News Credits: 2 · by **Nemesis Destron** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 5:42 am

Where the hell were these watch dogs when Trypticon was release huh? :-P

News Credits: 55 · by **o.supreme** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 8:19 am

Nemesis Destron wrote:Where the hell were these watch dogs when Trypticon was release huh?

to my knowledge there were no QC issues with :TAKARATOMY:

release of Dinosaurer. Though some suspect that because they released it after Hasbro, it allowed time to make the fixes. Unfortunately I don't think Hasbro has the resources or seems to care about QC as much.

This is interesting though...as we see the product variance between :TAKARATOMY:

and

diminish and become more unified, it's nice to see that :TAKARATOMY:

still will not let something pass that :HASBRO:

likely would not even give a second thought too. Unfortunately however, with operations moving to India, I expect things only to get worse, not better. It's sad that greed and the desire solely to make money may drive this line to at some point be indistinguishable from KO toys made and sold for a fraction of the price.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 10:49 am

This was probably my most anticipated figure(s) of the year. I've got three of the original RID Primes and a Magnus, the Sam's Club Prime and Magnus, the Both pairs of Spy Changers Prime and Magnus, and Titanium Prime (and "Hot Zone"). So I've been looking forward to adding this guy to my collection. He's in the mail, already running late despite EMS shipping, and I'm looking forward to having him in hand, but this is a little discouraging.

I did just read on TFWiki that the issue is with the ankles not allowing his truck mode to tab properly, if that's all it is I can probably live with it.

Emerje

News Credits: 7 · by **Overcracker** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:38 am

Just to clarify, the original molds have intrinsic issues that may not have been fixed in the reissue. Issues that come from the way the combination works, and how Prime handles the added weight.

i.e Prime's waist ratchet is simply too weak to hold up the waist for the combined mode, and it tends to collapse backwards if not correctly setup.

Also the ratchets in Prime's hips were not the strongest and had a tendency to buckle under the wait of the combined mode causing the combined mode to do the splits.

Basically, the combined mode was quite unstable always.

Unless there's some really bad degradation of the molds, I'm willing to bet this is just the standard issues the combined mode had and went unchecked.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 1:31 pm

Overcracker wrote:Unless there's some really bad degradation of the molds, I'm willing to bet this is just the standard issues the combined mode had and went unchecked.

Last I checked the issues were mainly on Fire Convoy having parts warped and his hips so restrictive that the cab transformation is virtually impossible.

News Credits: 7 · by **Overcracker** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:09 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Overcracker wrote:Unless there's some really bad degradation of the molds, I'm willing to bet this is just the standard issues the combined mode had and went unchecked.

Last I checked the issues were mainly on Fire Convoy having parts warped and his hips so restrictive that the cab transformation is virtually impossible.

I see.

Just watched the video from the facebook post. (Youtube's auto translation of CC, is hilarious).

The video in the Facebook post points out some flashing in the foot / roof hinge on Fire Convoy, and an issue with the thigh ratchets, where the right thigh has the click further apart than the left thigh.

Also mentions sounds swapped for the different gun modes on Magnus.

Other issues mentioned there come from the original figure, like the roof panel not sitting flush with the rest of the roof on Magnus. That was due to how the combined mode head is stored there. Mine still has that issue unless the antennae are stored correctly in there, but that causes the chrome to chip for some reason.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:36 pm

Yeah, I can see where the issue is caused by the feet.

The roof of the truck cab is a bit uneven and the seam between the windows don't come together completely causing a gap at the top. It isn't great, but it doesn't ruin the figure completely for me.

Emerje

News Credits: 1 · by **ExciKaiser** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:47 pm

I've just read the news and I have the feeling to have missed two weeks of news.

More issues than the ones previously reported ? reported where and when ? on another news on seibertron ?

Confirmed by a number of report ? Where ? Here on seibertron ?

confirmed by a post in twaiwanese ?

I feel like reading about who is KeyserSoze without having seen the movie.

Can we have a recap, a list of the issues etc, for people like me who are not following japanese twitter accounts ?

News Credits: 322 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:50 pm

I think another issue with the set was the toy was designed during a time where a higher quality plastic was used. Has/Tak has been using a lower grade plastic for years that something like God Fire Convoy just can't handle.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 2:54 pm

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I think another issue with the set was the toy was designed during a time where a higher quality plastic was used. Has/Tak has been using a lower grade plastic for years that something like God Fire Convoy just can't handle.

Mold degradation may have a part in that as well. It's now 18 years old, and used quite a bit in the first 5 years. Most notably is the Cybertron gift set from 2005, which IIRC had this off feeling already.

News Credits: 322 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Mon Apr 09, 2018 3:33 pm

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I think another issue with the set was the toy was designed during a time where a higher quality plastic was used. Has/Tak has been using a lower grade plastic for years that something like God Fire Convoy just can't handle.

Mold degradation may have a part in that as well. It's now 18 years old, and used quite a bit in the first 5 years. Most notably is the Cybertron gift set from 2005, which IIRC had this off feeling already.

Yes, it does, I have that set. It also didn't help the instructions weren't clear on how extended Optimus' legs have to be for combined mode.