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AutobotAlvaron wrote:The only other changes I'd make to it, would be to put in G1-cartoon blue or G1-toy yellow LEDs in the head & chest, and not use a plain black plastic for his legs/trailer, but a sparkly metallic midnight blue instead. It's hard to believe that there is no real, properly-articulated, & non-1-2-3 Step Changer, Voyager or Leader Class Optimus Prime in the U.S.A. RID line. Why not?

This toy a remold of the previous version that already had blue legs.

Sabrblade wrote:

AutobotAlvaron wrote:The only other changes I'd make to it, would be to put in G1-cartoon blue or G1-toy yellow LEDs in the head & chest, and not use a plain black plastic for his legs/trailer, but a sparkly metallic midnight blue instead. It's hard to believe that there is no real, properly-articulated, & non-1-2-3 Step Changer, Voyager or Leader Class Optimus Prime in the U.S.A. RID line. Why not?

This toy a remold of the previous version that already had blue legs.

Thanks for the reference pic Sabrblade, though I already knew about that version. I prefer this newer mold with the chrome and additional sword, but I've never liked substituting black for blue on non-Nemesis Prime/Dark Convoy figures. Blue, even the darkest midnight-blue is my preference for use with "Super" Optimus figures.

I also disliked TF:Cybertron Leader "Galaxy Force" Optimus Prime's color for that same reason. Darker-shaded, clear-plastic, metallic-painted, or color-chromed (i.e. Primal Prime) variations of Optimus' classic red/blue/silver color-scheme are what I like best for his upgrades.

Still waiting for HLJ to get in their Voyager Grimmy so I can ship my stuff.

It's not exact, bit with a little tweaking and imagination he could be Star Convoy:

Shuttershock wrote:It's not exact, bit with a little tweaking and imagination he could be Star Convoy:

Indeed.

The transformation on these guys are pretty finicky. The tabs don't always lock in and legs/arms come off during the process. Also, those spring loaded triggers are kinda a pain when transforming. I don't know how many times I pushed that button and they came launching out. A bit frustrating but overall I think they look great. I'll most likely keep them in robot mode. You can also take those missiles off and attach them to their arms for a pseudo Starscream look.

Cobotron wrote:Just for fun, here is another looky-lu.

The Usual Suspects

For some reason, in my mind, the Legend class seems smaller. Just proved myself wrong. Way to go me. I think Wipe-out/WC is just a little bigger than most.

By my analysis, the old school scout class (portrayed here as skystalker) is still significantly meatier than the legends class (portrayed here as powerglide). The legends are more in line with the recent commander class figures.



And even better:


Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Windcharger Gallery

I was doing the same a while back I came to the same conclusion that Human Alliance, Scout and PCC Commanders are all bigger than a Legends class.

Hasbro used to call them 'Basics' when they had a partner so I guess they thought that Optimus and Roller for example was equivalent to say a Human Alliance Basic or a PCC 2 pack... but they certainly seem more in keeping with a Cyberverse commander than they do a Scout - but then again close examination does show some similarities in construction with some Scouts - it's hard to say you have the Jets that seems pretty Commander like with their immovable heads and yet Tailgate or Rodimus does seems more like a titchy scout to me.

For the moment though I'll say I'm happier with the comparison with the Cyberverse Commanders if they get a little bigger again in 2016 then I might re-assess that / or not.

To me what seperates the Legends Class from the Commander Class and brings them closer to the Scout Class is their purpose. The Scout class started in Energon and the whole deal was that you would get unique characters that were in scale with the deluxes and Megas/voyagers and Ultras/leaders (and minicons) and that were comparable in complexity and detail. Energon Divebomb and Cybertron Clocker are simply extra characters to interact with the other figure classes and are as great as their deluxe counterparts but just smaller.

The Commander class (and legion class) was just a smaller scale for the same characers you'd find in other classes or should find in other classes. Commander Class hardshell for instance is made to be in scale with commander class Megatron and not the Voyager Megatron figure in Prime.

While these two classes may be in similar height, they stand for totally different things in a collection and would end up in different displays.

And the Generations Legends Class seems to be kind of stuck in the middle since some characters are made for a different smaller scale (the seekers, Optimus and Megatron) while others using the same molds are made to interact and scale with the Generations deluxe, voyager and (some) leader figures (like Huffer, Pipes, Warpath and of course Cosmos and Blackjack).

However, the inclusion of that last part, where they are unique characters and detailed figures with as many steps as deluxes does make them the successor to the ideals of the Scout Class, even if their height isnt exactly the same.

I got the legends class Swerve. That is my favorite mold of all time and he scales perfectly with all the other class sizes. Therefore: Swerve = 1, any debate on the purpose of his class size = not a hope

The class sizes, of course are rooted in G1, but I think the modern Scout size started back in Beast Wars. Called Basic Class of course. I've always loved the notion that like everything and everyone else in this world, Transformers come in all shapes and sizes. But, I think the true impetuous behind any class size is price point, price point, price point. I bet the smaller class sizes from any line sell the best. Mom and Dad are definitely going to buy the 5 to 9 dollar toy over the more expensive. And the retailers know this. The cool thing for us is, diversity.

I always wondered why it took so long to get modern updates for the G1 minis like Bee, etc. I also thought the Cyberverse was an awesome idea, and thought it was cool that the Commander class was the Voyager of that universe.

I'm also glad they've given us the likes of the Seekers, Optimus, and Megatron in this scale to go along with some of the great Legion class toys. (Remember when Legions were Legends? )

But as we veer of topic, I'd like to take a moment to remind y'all how FREAKIN' AWESOME FUMBLE and RENZY are!!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!
Despite the hair pin trigger on the pile drivers, they are really cool and add to the play-ability of these toys.

Cobotron wrote:
But as we veer of topic, I'd like to take a moment to remind y'all how FREAKIN' AWESOME FUMBLE and RENZY are!!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!
Despite the hair pin trigger on the pile drivers, they are really cool and add to the play-ability of these toys.

So you think I'll like em ?

Also, would you consider their design cybertronian or no?

william-james88 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:
But as we veer of topic, I'd like to take a moment to remind y'all how FREAKIN' AWESOME FUMBLE and RENZY are!!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!
Despite the hair pin trigger on the pile drivers, they are really cool and add to the play-ability of these toys.

So you think I'll like em ?

Also, would you consider their design cybertronian or no?

They look more like the classics style of old

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:
But as we veer of topic, I'd like to take a moment to remind y'all how FREAKIN' AWESOME FUMBLE and RENZY are!!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!
Despite the hair pin trigger on the pile drivers, they are really cool and add to the play-ability of these toys.

So you think I'll like em ?

Also, would you consider their design cybertronian or no?

They look more like the classics style of old

Hey! That's exactly what I was going to say. The detailing totally reminds me of the Classics aesthetic. As for their alt mode, I don't know. Some kind of fictional Earth based RC tank drone?

Will, I think you will like them. But every time I say that, I get itchy. You are a tough customer.

Cobotron wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:
But as we veer of topic, I'd like to take a moment to remind y'all how FREAKIN' AWESOME FUMBLE and RENZY are!!!!! WOOOOHOOOO!
Despite the hair pin trigger on the pile drivers, they are really cool and add to the play-ability of these toys.

So you think I'll like em ?

Also, would you consider their design cybertronian or no?

They look more like the classics style of old

Hey! That's exactly what I was going to say. The detailing totally reminds me of the Classics aesthetic. As for their alt mode, I don't know. Some kind of fictional Earth based RC tank drone?

Will, I think you will like them. But every time I say that, I get itchy. You are a tough customer.

Aww, come on, don't be so hard on yourself; they're classics rumble and frenzy - with working piledrivers and incredible poseability - I KNOW titan wars won't deliver any of that

Hey all!
Battle Grimlock and Bumblebee Taco Supreme Mode are back in stock at amiami.com.

Cobotron wrote:Hey all!
Battle Grimlock and Bumblebee Taco Supreme Mode are back in stock at amiami.com.

Are you serious?! Robot Kingdom still doesn't even have them in stock! Let alone sent a shipping notification

Cobotron wrote:Hey all!
Battle Grimlock and Bumblebee Taco Supreme Mode are back in stock at amiami.com.

Bumbklesupreme is up for pre-orders on bbts:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12113&mode=retail

Grimmy's there too:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12156&mode=retail

The idw drift and stepper 2 packs are back up for pre-orders too.

If Bumblesupreme had his mask on, I might've gone for it.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Hey all!
Battle Grimlock and Bumblebee Taco Supreme Mode are back in stock at amiami.com.

Bumbklesupreme is up for pre-orders on bbts:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12113&mode=retail

Grimmy's there too:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12156&mode=retail

The idw drift and stepper 2 packs are back up for pre-orders too.

Holy bejezzles, $25.99 for Bee?!?! I preordered him for $19.99! Let alone BBTS's shipping rates. When I got Arcee and Chromia, the shipping was a third the cost!

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Hey all!
Battle Grimlock and Bumblebee Taco Supreme Mode are back in stock at amiami.com.

Bumbklesupreme is up for pre-orders on bbts:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12113&mode=retail

Grimmy's there too:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12156&mode=retail

The idw drift and stepper 2 packs are back up for pre-orders too.

Holy bejezzles, $25.99 for Bee?!?! I preordered him for $19.99! Let alone BBTS's shipping rates. When I got Arcee and Chromia, the shipping was a third the cost!

They have two warehouses, (I THINK) pre-orders are shipped from the first one in SAINT PAUL, MN, then the rest is sent to their main warehouse in Wisconsin where they are based, this might account for a discrepancy in shipping, as for the price, it's probably import costs, taxes, and profit

While Hasbro has released Robots in Disguise Legion figures since early 2015, Takara has only released these molds as clear versions for campaigns. Well now we know that they will be releasing them in show accurate deco as well since several official images have emerged on the Autobase Aichi blog showing two sets of figures. The sets are:

- TAV-34 Team Bumblebee VS Megatronus: Legion Bumblebee, Strongarm, Sideswipe, and Megatronus
- TAV-35 Autobots VS Decepticons: Legion Optimus Prime, Grimlock, Steeljaw and Underbite

Both sets are due for a November release. Let us know if you spot differences in the deco to all of them (some are more subtle than others). Here is a link to the galleries for the Hasbro versions.

Wow, that Bee looks so much better!

And I already ordered him! Joygasm!!

Takara Tomy's Transformes Adventure TAV-29, Bumblebee Supreme Mode, has made its way to me through site sponsor Hobbylink Japan. I've taken some photos of this redeco and retool of Warrior Class Bumblebee, including comparisons of this new toy to previous versions of the mold.

Bumblebee Supreme Mode comes with the same sword as previous iterations, but also includes a new spear like weapon. Along with an all new face sculpt, the chest and legs get some retooling as well along with clear blue plastic. While the vehicle mode comes out looking the same, molding wise, added paint apps make this one of the most detailed Bumblebees out of this line yet!























This toy is in stock now or will be shortly at many of our awesome site sponsors, so if these images swayed you into a purchase be sure to click on one of the site's links to purchase this Bumblebee today for your swarm! Keep it here to Seibertron for all the latest, and don't forget to chat about this new toy with your fellow Seibertronians in the Energon Pub by simply replying to this news topic.

It's pics like this that make feel like saying "Eat you heart out, Hasbro."