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News Credits: 3 · by **DedicatedGhostArt** » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:55 pm

Cyberpath wrote:Hi, it turned out that the blueprints were simply decorations from Pilot Studio --

http://www.pilotstudio.com/work/rebranding-a-giant/

It still could mean a new Masterpiece Megs on the way, considering the fact that ALL of the other blueprints, are REAL Masterpiece figures...

Cyberpath wrote:As for a "G1" Megatron that doesn't transform into a gun there's always LG13 --

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... on/3703/1/

That's one thing, because he turns into a Tank in most places now, but the Masterpieces are supposed to be EXTREMELY G1 accurate, which means that MP Soundwave turns into a cassette player, and Megatron will probably become a gun, but I hope he doesn't.

It does seem weird to me, that if this Megatron DOES turn into a REALISTIC looking gun, that he'd be teased in a HASBRO U.S. box, cuz and as we all know, toys that look like real guns, are NOT allowed in the U.S. (Take the FIRST MP Megatron we got for example.) Personally, I think he'll turn into a gun, but a STYLIZED gun, like a blaster or something, so that it's obviously not a real gun, but it makes the G1 fans happy still. >:oP

News Credits: 1 · by **SkyWarpt** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:26 am

News Credits: 372 · by **Cyberpath** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:06 am

@SillySpringer, a new MP Megatron could still happen, but it would have nothing to do with these illustrations. These were produced by a branding studio, not Takara.

I think a Masterpiece Megatron by definition will transform into a P38. Will that prompt Hasbro to skip him or paint him in weird colours? Maybe. Many fans buy the original Japanese releases anyhow, since there's no guarantee Hasbro will release every MP.

@SkyWarpt, that's a red Bumblebee, MP-21R.

News Credits: 14 · by **robotmel** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:19 am

Yup, its a RED BUMBLE MP-21R as reported by Twitter user @_Blackburn_ using the ever faithfull magazine scan.
https://twitter.com/_blackburn_/status/634621163663044609/photo/1

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News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:52 am

Fellow Seibertronians Cyberpath and robotmel have been in touch regarding a newly surfaced image of an upcoming redeco of a Takara Tomy Masterpiece figure. Were you expecting Cliffjumper? Well, we're getting MP21R Red Bumblebee instead! Check out the images below, via Facebook page TF Upgrader and weibo user alucardlee.

News Credits: 25 · by **SW's SilverHammer** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:56 am

I always forget, Red bumblebee is "Bumblejumper" and yellow cliffjumber is "Cliffbee" right?

by **Windsweeper** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:21 am

Wouldn't this be Volks?

News Credits: 383 · by **Bounti76** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:29 am

Windsweeper wrote:Wouldn't this be Volks?

SW's SilverHammer wrote:I always forget, Red bumblebee is "Bumblejumper" and yellow cliffjumber is "Cliffbee" right?

"Bumblejumper" is actually just the toy that was sold on Cliffjumper (and some say Bumblebee) cards in 1984. Completely different sculpt than either Cliff or 'Bee. He was officially christened as Bumper in the early 2000s. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Bumper_(G1)

Also, Volks is technically orange. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Volks_(G1).

As Bumblebee and Cliffjumper were both sold in red and yellow versions for the first two years of the toyline, this is just "red Bumblebee".

Also, sidenote......Takara missed an opportunity to do this in blue, with a facemask, and make it Glyph. They'd maximize investment in the mold with minimal to no changes except for plastic/paint color, and have another MP fembot to boot.

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:40 am

Well, I'm dissapointed. A bit. Sure he looks nice and all... But I wanted Cliffjumper. However, this does install an ever so slight hope that Cliffjumper gets to be his own guy, instead of a repaint. That is, if Cliffjumper is coming at all.

I'm gonna make like a TV set and stay tuned.

That was a bad, bad joke.

by **ausbot** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:02 am

If its a new character I'll get it.

News Credits: 6 · by **MemphisR56** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:06 am

Even in the masterpiece line, Cliffjumper can't get a new head sculpt. :lol:

Jokes aside, they're probably just gonna allocate a name and a bio to the red bumblebee variant from G1, like they did with exhaust.

News Credits: 25 · by **SW's SilverHammer** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 5:11 am

MemphisR56 wrote:Even in the masterpiece line, Cliffjumper can't get a new head sculpt.

Jokes aside, they're probably just gonna allocate a name and a bio to the red bumblebee variant from G1, like they did with exhaust.

Whenever cliffjumper is away, sometime prime asks bumblebee to dress up like him. He's just like "Bumblebee, just please, I just need some cliffjumper right now."

"J'accuse!"

"Shut the **** up Cliffbee!

News Credits: 3 · by **Starsaber468** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:24 am

ausbot wrote:If its a new character I'll get it.

Sadly its not...

News Credits: 3 · by **Starsaber468** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:26 am

So many people are going to buy this thinking its cliffjumper whens its just a red verison of bumblebee

by **RiddlerJ** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:35 am

Red Bumblebee definitely needs his facemask. That's the only way we've ever seen him.

Wanna bet they include an exo-suit with a Spike head, just to drive the completists crazy?

News Credits: 1 · by **SkyWarpt** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 6:53 am

And here I thought I had my first news credit a 1/2 hour prior. Oh well.

by **Thormind** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:15 am

While Has/Tak keep producing repaint after repaint of their overpriced (vs quality) mp line, FanToys, a much smaller company, is already at how many new mold just in 1 year?

I never bought the original Bee but I just got the golden one thinking he would look nice with YOTH Prime. It is a nice figure but is it worth the price? He's so small, light and frail that he feels like voyager class. He's almost legend class height!

In the same delivery I had Tesla. I know he's more expensive but he's also much bigger. Comparing the two I really felt underwhelmed by Bee.

Imo Fanstoys produces exactly what the mp line should be: simple transformation made possible by great engineering, high quality materials (yes, diecast!!!) and great design esthetic. To me the only figures from Has/Tak that truly feel like they deserve the masterpiece name are Prime and Soundwave. But even with those 2 I have been disappointed by poor QC.

Soon, we'll be able to do a direct comparison between a version of the same figure from both company. Is it going to be mp Hound vs Willy or mp Grimlock vs Grinder? Who will win...?

News Credits: 645 · by **ScottyP** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:48 am

Thormind wrote:I never bought the original Bee but I just got the golden one thinking he would look nice with YOTH Prime. It is a nice figure but is it worth the price? He's so small, light and frail that he feels like voyager class. He's almost legend class height!

That's a pretty far reaching exaggeration on the size. What Legends figure should I go put next to it to see your point? Also, the Bee toys have been very inexpensive. I think G2 Bee was all of $40, if that, from Japanese retailers.

by **frogbat** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:18 am

as interesting as this is (and i am looking forward to a proper mp cliffjumper as i already have yellow bee), i'm more interested in wha appears to be a pic of iron hide's under side...

News Credits: 441 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:19 am

"Bumble Red Body" is the toy's name.

Should have been Stinger, though.

by **RiddlerJ** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:29 am

Sabrblade wrote:"Bumble Red Body" is the toy's name.

Should have been Stinger, though.

The official name is Rubber Baby Buggy Bumpers.

News Credits: 2 · by **BERSEKAEL** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 8:29 am

MP class is getting on a wierd way... loosing that magic

News Credits: 65 · by **Wolfman Jake** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:16 am

This does make me wonder how Takara is going to eventually (I'm staying hopeful) do Masterpiece Cliffjumper. The original Bumblebee was a penny-racer version of a VW Beetle. The Masterpiece version is styled after a real VW Beetle, and there is little appreciable difference aesthetically between the figure, the G1 toy, and the G1 cartoon character model.
Cliffjumper is a penny-racer styled Porsche. The cartoon character model from G1 pretty much followed the toy proportions. Will Takara do a realistic Porsche 924 Turbo and be able to make the robot mode into a "Masterpiece" representation of Cliffjumper?

News Credits: 419 · by **Bronzewolf** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 10:49 am

Dang it! I'm really disappointed. Even with a possible (more cliff-jumper-y) third party head sculpt, I don't know if it would look good to diplay him next to bee, because there would be almost no difference between the two. At least the seekers have a relatively good excuse to use the same exact mold. :-(

by **Thormind** » Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:26 pm

ScottyP wrote:
Thormind wrote:I never bought the original Bee but I just got the golden one thinking he would look nice with YOTH Prime. It is a nice figure but is it worth the price? He's so small, light and frail that he feels like voyager class. He's almost legend class height!
That's a pretty far reaching exaggeration on the size. What Legends figure should I go put next to it to see your point?

I did say "almost"... Put him beside Powerglide or Cosmos, he isn't too far...

ScottyP wrote:Also, the Bee toys have been very inexpensive. I think G2 Bee was all of $40, if that, from Japanese retailers.

Most "major" retailers have G2 at 64.99$US. Cheapest I could find in Canada on preorder was 74.99$CA (53$US). Cheapest for G1 Bee 79.99$. Leaders sell for 54-59$, Voyagers for 30-35$ and legends for 10-15$ (CA). If I compare him to Leader Megatron, for example, I really don't see any justification for the price outside of the mp title.

I'm just getting tired of Has/Tak not listening to the fans and just "milking" the mp line with repaint after repaint. Just some minor retools on top of the red repaint and they would have produced what we've all been asking (and waiting) for!