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[grimdragon2001]

Soooooooooooo, Primacron's assistant, the Oracle is Primus?

[Sabrblade]

Wait a sec, did his story just retcon the history of everything we know on the origin of Transformers?

Not entirely. Kiss Players Position and the big 2006/2007 Takara G1 timeline were the first to make a lot of these retcons. This manga is just elaborating a few more details on some of them. If anything, the biggest reveals here are the explanation for how the Matrix fits in to the Primacron/Oracle/Unicron backstory (since its brief appearance in that G1 episode went unexplained for all these years) and the full origin of Devil Z, whose origin was never fully known before now.

Soooooooooooo, Primacron's assistant, the Oracle is Primus?

Yes. Kiss Players Position first confirmed this by its having Primacron's assistant, the Oracle, become Primus, who then became Vector Sigma.




In all honesty, a lot of the fleshed out details of this history recounting are quite similar to the previous original attempt to weave Primus into the Quintesson origin story done by 3H in the BotCon 2001-OTFCC 2003 Wreckers comics.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Still trying to decide how I feel about Greatshot being a new good guy Sixshot. Definitely interesting

[william-james88]

Soooooooooooo, Primacron's assistant, the Oracle is Primus?

Yes. Kiss Players Position first confirmed this by its having Primacron's assistant, the Oracle, become Primus, who then became Vector Sigma.

I thought kiss players was all about alternators that came with underage girls in odd positions.

[Sabrblade]

I thought kiss players was all about alternators that came with underage girls in odd positions.

There were two storylines.

Kiss Players was a story about the EDC declaring war against the Transformers after Galvatron's corpse devastated Tokyo and a few Autobots went on the run from the EDC, with it eventually being revealed that the head of the EDC was a corrupt woman who had it in for the Transformers after her daughter was killed in the destruction caused by Galvatron. The best comparison I can make for this story is like Captain America: The Winter Soldier, in which the good guy governmental organization is secretly run by a clandestine evil with is own less than ethical goals, while the heroes are sent on the run and made into public enemies by those they're supposed to have place their trust in.

Kiss Players Position, the sequel (and which was significantly less skeevy that its predecessor), was a story about the Kiss Player girls (who aren't underage, they're just drawn that way) being recruited by a mysterious trio called the Sparkbots to join them on a multiversal scavenger hunt to retrieve pieces of something the Sparkbots claim to be the "Allspark", but as the group ventures across time, space, and worlds, a mysterious force seeks to stop them, and it's revealed that the Sparkbots lied to the girls and instead used them to try to revive Unicron, with the mysterious force that was trying to stop them all revealed to be Primus. Primus and the Kiss Players team up against the Sparkbots, who succeed in nearly reviving Unicron on prehistoric Earth (albeit, at a point after the Beast Wars were long over), but Primus defeats the freshly-resurrected Unicron and seals him and the Sparkbots away within the Earth as Angolmois Energy, and creates Brave Maximus to watch over the Angolmois Energy and keep it in check. Primus then returns to Cybertron to become Vector Sigma while the girls are sent back to their native time.

The whole story can be read in summarized form here. There's a lot of fascinating, interesting stuff in there that gets easily overlooked by all the pornographic skeeviness that was deliberately put in to make Kiss Players the most shocking and distressing TF series ever. But take all that grossness out, and we're left with one story that's like a governmental spy thriller that challenges the notion of who can really be trusted, and another story that's full of nerdy references and multiversal fun.

[Va'al]

Courtesy of Seibertronian Powered Convoy, we have some scans of the pack-in manga issues from the Takara Tomy Transformers Legends series that accompany the release of LG65 Targetmaster TwinTwist with Spoil and LG66 Targetmaster Topspin with Peaceman, including the combined vehicle mode we had previously seen on the online prologue here.

Included below are scans of the comics, summaries of the same via TFWiki, and bios for both figures (as they form part of the comics booklet) - check it all out, and let us know what you think in the Energon Pub!

Katsu Don makes another attempt at destroying the Legends World using Windblade as well as the mutant Autobot Targetmasters, who Windblade can manipulate through her bond with Pinpointer. The Wreckers arrive from the post-G2 era to aid in the world's defense only to be pinned down by the Targetmasters, and when Twin Twist breaks off to take on Windblade by himself, he gets decapitated. However, Twin Twist is aware of the Zodiac's existence in the Legends World and somehow calls it to his side, using its power to transform his severed head into a Headmaster and his body into a Z Mode "Drill Base" that in turn uses its drills to generate electromagnetic waves that sever Windblade's connection to Spoilsport. Twin Twist grabs the Targetmaster and, revealing that his special ability is to grant any weapon the properties of a drill, unleashes a "Spoil Drill Hurricane" attack against Windblade that frees Peacemaker from her control.

Chromedome is surprised that Twin Twist can freely control Zodiac energy, and Springer explains that he and Topspin are space pioneers known as the Powered Masters... as well as the true creators of the Legends World. The two Jumpstarters tell Katsu Don "long time no see" and invite him to test who's stronger—them, the creators of this world, or Windblade, its destroyer.

In the year 2004 of the G1 World, Topspin and Twin Twist hear about the Legends World from Whirl and Roadbuster, and as space pioneers and Powered Masters, think it would be nice to establish a paradise of a world someday. Decades later in the G2 era, they two are asked by Katsu Don for their cooperation in creating an experimental new universe also named "Legends", and realize he must be talking about the same world since time has no meaning when it comes to alternate dimensions. Concluding that they must create the Legends World or else Whirl and Roadbuster will never be born, they steal the Zodiac, inspired by Dai Atlas's using it to create a new planet in Planet Z's solar system, and use it in conjunction with Zamojin telepathic powers and the Space Pirates' proton energy to create the Legends World.

Katsu Don is outraged that the Jumpstarters have broken their promise not to interfere with their creation and sics Windblade on Topspin, but he easily avoids her thanks to having used the Zodiac to become a Headmaster—this combined with being a Powered Master and Targetmaster grants him the power of a Triplemaster—and calls upon the Zodiac to recreate everything Windblade and the Targetmasters have destroyed. Katsu Don himself enters the fray, insisting that the Legends World is dangerous because of its connection to the powers of the Zamojin and must be destroyed, but the Jumpstarters, determined to defend their creation, combine into a vehicle form known as Attack Powered and soundly defeat him and Windblade. With Windblade restored to normal once again and Katsu Don captured, Springer assumes all's well that ends well. However, the Jumpstarters, now having recovered all three mutant Targetmasters, tell him it's not over yet...

[Rated X]

What no T&A ???
Did someone kidnap Sakamoto? Who is this impostor?

[fenrir72]

What no T&A ???
Did someone kidnap Sakamoto? Who is this impostor?

"I know you want it
I know you want it
I know you want it
You're a good girl
Can't let it get past me............"

[fenrir72]

Not counting the double targetmasters of G1, iirc, HB released 6 targetmasters for the Autobots and 5 for the Decepticons. Have they all been "revived?

I only count 9 only.

And, what's the new threat in the cliffhanger?

Good gawd, the Grandmax ending all makes sense now! But what about Violenjiger? He also another aspect of the negative energy of the Matrix? And Star Giant (in the Starconvoy catalog/TV manga, the was a Unicron like being mentioned). Same?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Not counting the double targetmasters of G1, iirc, HB released 6 targetmasters for the Autobots and 5 for the Decepticons. Have they all been "revived?

Legends versions of Nightstick and Fracas aka Nebulon and Nightstick are still MIA. The Universe 2008 and Masterpiece versions make decent stand-ins

[Sabrblade]

Just did some digging and, from what I can tell, Greatshot's original 1989 trading card toy bio mentions Sixshot (and Sixknight) as a separate individual from Greatshot, referring to Sixshot and Sixknight as having been Greatshot's "nakama" (friends/allies/comrades/etc.) back when Greatshot was a member of the Six Clan.

[Cyberpath]

Been a while. New online chapter --

Source: https://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/products/tf_lg/tf_lg_comic

[ZeroWolf]

Well that was intense...and isn't that majin zarak from the beast wars movie?

[shajaki]

Please let this be foreshadowing

[ZeroWolf]

With the brand unification, I hope you like paying for exclusives plus only one of the autobot target masters looks to have a more detailed generations toy. As for brave, he could happen the same way that we got Grand.

[Sabrblade]

HOLY SMOKES! There's so much to pick out of this one!

I spy with my little eye...

Legends World Savage
Legends World Nightscream
Scorponok in his BlackZarak-colored Titan Master Scorponok redeco body (from Grand Max's comic)
Butla
Mindwipe
Mindwipe's Transtector
Skullcruncher
Skullcruncher's Transtector
WeirdWolf
Weirdwolf's Transtector
Apeface
Servant
Rarigo
Aimless
Blowpipe
Caliburst
Peacemaker
Spoilsport
Pinpointer
Highbrow
Perceptor
Perceptor's Transtector
Shaoshao Li
Hot Rod
Minerva (robot)
Papika
Cargot
Ravage
Legends World Ai
Triggerhappy
Shockwave
Megatron
Starscream
Soundblaster
Moguru
Chromedome
Bullhorn
Blurr
Blurr's Transtector
Legends World Stampy
Blitzwing
Octane
Tankette
Hardhead
Legends World Tigatron
Ginrai
Ginrai's Transtector
Twincast
MAJIN ZARAK!!!
Legends World Junko(?)
Legends World Rattrap
Legends World Bighorn
Legends World Cheetor
Legends World BWII Starscrean
Brawn
Leo Prime
Legends World Lio Convoy
Legends World Lio Junior
Minvera (human)
Flywheels
Slugslinger
Misfire
Scourge and the Sweeps
Katsu Don
Flywheels attached to Blitzwing's Transtector
Two blurry little Headmasters I can't recognize
Kodu Ri and the Zamojin
Windblade
Legends World Optimus Minor
Skids
Gelshark
Speedbreaker
Build King
Mach Alert
J-Five
J-Seven
J-Four
Gaskunk
Indy Heat
Wildride
Goosher
God Magnus
Guildor
Neo Brave Maximus (Battleship Mode)
Neo Brave Maxmius armed with the God Fire Sword (which was called the Super God Sword in the cartoon)
Legends World Optimus Primal
Legends World Waspinator
Legends World Terrorsaur
Legends World Noble (who is a different person from Legends World Savage)
Clouder attached to a Black Convoy Drone
Tankor Drones
Octane's Transtector
Legends World Megatron's Transtector
G1 World Megatron attached to Legends World Megatron's Transtector
Starscream attached to Octane's Transtector
Soundblaster attached to his Soundwave Transtector
Trypticon and Full-Tilt
Laserbeak
Slugslinger and Misfire attached to their Transtectors and bound by electromagnetic ropes
Pointblank as a virtual redeco of Hasbro Titans Return Hot Rod w/ a new head
Sureshot as a virtual redeco of Titans Return Full-Tilt w/ a new head
Crosshairs as a virtual redeco of Titans Return Kup w/ a new head
(unless their heads are all based on preexisting Titan Master face molds, I simply can't tell)
Kup
Sue Faireborn

[Sabrblade]

Also, the name of this story is "Targetmaster Chapter Finale: Legends World in Imminent Danger! Part One"

[Sabrblade]

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Targetmaster_Chapter_Finale:_Legends_World_in_Imminent_Danger!_Part_One

Brought to the Wolf Circus by his loyal troops, Scorponok explains that he had been wandering space following the black hole battle until Devil Z took control of him and had him build a transtector. Now that he's free, he plots to apply his usual plot to the Legends World—blowing it up and absorbing its energies for himself—and to do so he needs the plasma energy within the six Targetmasters, currently held by the Autobots who are attempting to restore them to normal. As the first step of his plan, Scorponok summons the second transtector Devil Z had him make on Beast: the gigantic Majin Zarak, a machine with the instincts of a beast and a veritable "god of destruction", whose origin comes as a surprise to Leo Prime.


When the police set out to protect the citizens from Majin Zarak, Scorponok's agent Flywheels sneaks into the police station and breaks out Slugslinger, Misfire, and Katsu Don, the latter agreeing to an alliance since his goals overlap with Scorponok. Katsu Don attacks the Autobots and steals the Targetmasters for the Decepticons before summoning the rest of his race to participate in the final battle, but the Zamojin army is in turn attacked by Skids, Sky-Byte, and the Dimensional Patrol. Rattrap is confused as the Dimensional Patrol previously considered the Legends World problematic, so Sky-Byte explains that he convinced them that it's a beautiful world that deserves to be protected, and he even managed to get the other three Predacons inducted as well. The Patrol easily holds the Zamojin at bay thanks to Neo Brave Maximus's robot mode, and before Scorponok can intervene, Majin Zarak is attacked by Leo Prime, Lio Convoy, and Optimus Primal, who has transformed himself using Transformers sickness once again. Scorponok calls upon Weirdwolf, but he has gone to Tera-Kura Co. to convince Noble to join them, having grown attached to the wolf and not wanting him to be killed in the universe's destruction, though Noble refuses and instead suggests Weirdwolf himself switch sides. Weirdwolf is left torn—compared to their previous destruction of Cybertron, which neither he nor Scorponok felt attached to, he feels a connection to the Legends World where his living transtector, Rarigo, and Butla were all born, and he knows in his heart that what they're doing is wrong...

Clouder and the SDF confront Majin Zarak and keep it busy while Megatron's Decepticons mobilize Trypticon, but even the cityformer is dwarfed by Majin Zarak who destroys him with a single giant beam. Blown away by the same attack, Leo Prime realizes that they're going about it the wrong way: since Majin Zarak isn't destined to be destroyed until their battle in the future, they simply cannot defeat it here and now. Meanwhile, Scorponok has modified the Targetmasters into new plasma energy bombs to be placed around the Legends World and detonated, restraining Slugslinger and Misfire when they protest. All hope is not lost, however, as in the city, Chromedome is approached by Pointblank, Sureshot, and Crosshairs, who have finally arrived in the Legends World and acquired transtectors from Kup's shop.

[ZeroWolf]

Thanks to fellow Seibertron user Cyberpath, we have the latest chapter in the ongoing Transformers Legends manga, available on the official Takara Tomy website here.

That's not all though, Sabrblade, has pointed fans in the ]direction of a title for the chapter and an English summary of the Japanese text. Check it all out below.

The name of this story is "Targetmaster Chapter Finale: Legends World in Imminent Danger! Part One"

Brought to the Wolf Circus by his loyal troops, Scorponok explains that he had been wandering space following the black hole battle until Devil Z took control of him and had him build a transtector. Now that he's free, he plots to apply his usual plot to the Legends World—blowing it up and absorbing its energies for himself—and to do so he needs the plasma energy within the six Targetmasters, currently held by the Autobots who are attempting to restore them to normal. As the first step of his plan, Scorponok summons the second transtector Devil Z had him make on Beast: the gigantic Majin Zarak, a machine with the instincts of a beast and a veritable "god of destruction", whose origin comes as a surprise to Leo Prime.

When the police set out to protect the citizens from Majin Zarak, Scorponok's agent Flywheels sneaks into the police station and breaks out Slugslinger, Misfire, and Katsu Don, the latter agreeing to an alliance since his goals overlap with Scorponok. Katsu Don attacks the Autobots and steals the Targetmasters for the Decepticons before summoning the rest of his race to participate in the final battle, but the Zamojin army is in turn attacked by Skids, Sky-Byte, and the Dimensional Patrol. Rattrap is confused as the Dimensional Patrol previously considered the Legends World problematic, so Sky-Byte explains that he convinced them that it's a beautiful world that deserves to be protected, and he even managed to get the other three Predacons inducted as well. The Patrol easily holds the Zamojin at bay thanks to Neo Brave Maximus's robot mode, and before Scorponok can intervene, Majin Zarak is attacked by Leo Prime, Lio Convoy, and Optimus Primal, who has transformed himself using Transformers sickness once again. Scorponok calls upon Weirdwolf, but he has gone to Tera-Kura Co. to convince Noble to join them, having grown attached to the wolf and not wanting him to be killed in the universe's destruction, though Noble refuses and instead suggests Weirdwolf himself switch sides. Weirdwolf is left torn—compared to their previous destruction of Cybertron, which neither he nor Scorponok felt attached to, he feels a connection to the Legends World where his living transtector, Rarigo, and Butla were all born, and he knows in his heart that what they're doing is wrong...

Clouder and the SDF confront Majin Zarak and keep it busy while Megatron's Decepticons mobilize Trypticon, but even the cityformer is dwarfed by Majin Zarak who destroys him with a single giant beam. Blown away by the same attack, Leo Prime realizes that they're going about it the wrong way: since Majin Zarak isn't destined to be destroyed until their battle in the future, they simply cannot defeat it here and now. Meanwhile, Scorponok has modified the Targetmasters into new plasma energy bombs to be placed around the Legends World and detonated, restraining Slugslinger and Misfire when they protest. All hope is not lost, however, as in the city, Chromedome is approached by Pointblank, Sureshot, and Crosshairs, who have finally arrived in the Legends World and acquired transtectors from Kup's shop.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

The new Autobot Targetmasters are catching my interest:

- Pointblank: TR Hot Rod, Hasbro version
- Crosshairs: TR Kup
- Sureshot: TR Full-Tilt?!

Ok, we're never getting them, unless the Full-Tilt mold is separate from Trypticon. btw They're just existing Transtectors painted over by Kup and Sue

[Wolfman Jake]

The new Autobot Targetmasters are catching my interest:

- Pointblank: TR Hot Rod, Hasbro version
- Crosshairs: TR Kup
- Sureshot: TR Full-Tilt?!

Ok, we're never getting them, unless the Full-Tilt mold is separate from Trypticon. btw They're just existing Transtectors painted over by Kup and Sue

No! Don't say that! Takara has GOT to give us the Autobot Targetmasters as Legends EX releases!

[-Crossfire-]

Oh Geez for a second I thought those curved parts on Majin Zarak was Windblade's butt or something and got really embarrassed. Also, did he just pull a Godzilla 2013 on Trypticon?

[Grahf_]

The new Autobot Targetmasters are catching my interest:

- Pointblank: TR Hot Rod, Hasbro version
- Crosshairs: TR Kup
- Sureshot: TR Full-Tilt?!

Ok, we're never getting them, unless the Full-Tilt mold is separate from Trypticon. btw They're just existing Transtectors painted over by Kup and Sue

Well the club was able to use Scamper for BW Scorponok so there might be a chance.

[Emerje]

Also, did he just pull a Godzilla 2013 on Trypticon?

Maybe, it would hardly be the first modern Godzilla reference he's made in the comics.

Well the club was able to use Scamper for BW Scorponok so there might be a chance.

To say nothing of Spike from Encore Fort Max and Grand Maximus's Armor. Or all of the head swapping Takara Tomy has done with their recent Headmasters.

I would definitely be all in on a set even if they are EX.

Emerje

[fenrir72]

New Cybertron Targetmasters ?

I always wondered why the Destron Targetmasters got the re-issue/redesign/resurrection treatment and not Blanker and the rest of the Autobots ( 86 Movie 'bots notwithstanding)