Road-hole wrote:If Speilberg were to do another TF movie, I believe he would pick JJ Abrams as the new director.
Road-hole wrote:Spielberg would not direct a fourth TF movie. I think they should give the series a little rest or it might end up like Pirates of the Carribean.
If Speilberg were to do another TF movie, I believe he would pick JJ Abrams as the new director.
DJ D wrote:Michael Bay and Shia "The Beef" are the 2 worst things to happen the Transformers franchise. I'll be glad to see them both gone. I hate the current trend of unnecessary reboot/remakes/re-whatevers these days, but in this case I'd love to see that happen. Just start all over with a director who actually respects the source material and knows what the fans want to see. And yes, it IS entirely possible to do that while attracting new fans. I hate that tired argument that just because you're trying to attract a new generation, that you have to change all the fundamental things that make a franchise recognizable.
OptiMagnus wrote:DJ D wrote:Michael Bay and Shia "The Beef" are the 2 worst things to happen the Transformers franchise. I'll be glad to see them both gone. I hate the current trend of unnecessary reboot/remakes/re-whatevers these days, but in this case I'd love to see that happen. Just start all over with a director who actually respects the source material and knows what the fans want to see. And yes, it IS entirely possible to do that while attracting new fans. I hate that tired argument that just because you're trying to attract a new generation, that you have to change all the fundamental things that make a franchise recognizable.
1. Explain how Michael Bay direspects the brand.
2. Explain what "the fans" want to see. As far as I'm concerned, I'm a fan, and I'm seeing what I want to see out of the movies.
3. Explain how all the fundamental things that make Transformers recognizable have been changed. We have Autobots vs. Decepticons, Optimus Prime vs. Megatron, we have robots that change into vehicles, they come from the planet Cybertron: shall I go on?
DJ D wrote:Michael Bay and Shia "The Beef" are the 2 worst things to happen the Transformers franchise. I'll be glad to see them both gone. I hate the current trend of unnecessary reboot/remakes/re-whatevers these days, but in this case I'd love to see that happen. Just start all over with a director who actually respects the source material and knows what the fans want to see. And yes, it IS entirely possible to do that while attracting new fans. I hate that tired argument that just because you're trying to attract a new generation, that you have to change all the fundamental things that make a franchise recognizable.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
gavinfuzzy wrote:Sodan-1 wrote:gavinfuzzy wrote:WAIT.... WHAT? Tf4? dotm was supposed to be the ending! Especially after Prime and megs had a truce and returned to cybertron to rebuild their home and unite to form 1 race Yeah... When the movie opens you will know what i mean... I think the movie-verse should end just as it is lol
Like that would last, lol. That would hopefully mean a new chapter for the movies free of human interference.
Well, prime and megs held hands and carly found megs sitting in a dark alley and TALKED to him withought being crushed damn Megs is pathetic in dotm
First-Aid wrote:shamone wrote:First-Aid wrote:shamone wrote:"I never liked those characters, and I am glad they're not back. I think that every nationality in the world deserves to walk out of a movie and still feel good about themselves. I think it's a responsibility to the fans. I just didn't like some of the things they were saying, and the way they were going about whatever it was they were doing in that film. To be honest, I didn't think that they added to the movie at all. I guess (Michael Bay) was just feeling something out. Moving on, we're here now. Let's go ahead and close it out. We'll close it out with Trans3: Dark of the Moon!"
glad im not the only one uncomfortable about the twins in rotf
I will make a note of the fact that the twins were not a nationality or a race, nor did they represent a nationality or race.
but they did insult others of race, shrimp taco !!!!!!!!!!!!
No they didn't. Do not confuse culture with race. They were stereotypes of the hip hop culture. By insisting that a particular race is commonly associated with a particular culture, it is inherently racist.
Capt.Failure wrote:First-Aid wrote:shamone wrote:"I never liked those characters, and I am glad they're not back. I think that every nationality in the world deserves to walk out of a movie and still feel good about themselves. I think it's a responsibility to the fans. I just didn't like some of the things they were saying, and the way they were going about whatever it was they were doing in that film. To be honest, I didn't think that they added to the movie at all. I guess (Michael Bay) was just feeling something out. Moving on, we're here now. Let's go ahead and close it out. We'll close it out with Trans3: Dark of the Moon!"
glad im not the only one uncomfortable about the twins in rotf
I will make a note of the fact that the twins were not a nationality or a race, nor did they represent a nationality or race.
QFT. Its only racist when you consider their actions/appearance a representation of a race to begin with.
Still, Spielberg directing can lead to nothing good. The man's lost his touch over the years, at least were summer blockbusters are concerened. After War of the Worlds I wouldn't trust him in the director's chair of something like Transformers.
shamone wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:First-Aid wrote:shamone wrote:"I never liked those characters, and I am glad they're not back. I think that every nationality in the world deserves to walk out of a movie and still feel good about themselves. I think it's a responsibility to the fans. I just didn't like some of the things they were saying, and the way they were going about whatever it was they were doing in that film. To be honest, I didn't think that they added to the movie at all. I guess (Michael Bay) was just feeling something out. Moving on, we're here now. Let's go ahead and close it out. We'll close it out with Trans3: Dark of the Moon!"
glad im not the only one uncomfortable about the twins in rotf
I will make a note of the fact that the twins were not a nationality or a race, nor did they represent a nationality or race.
QFT. Its only racist when you consider their actions/appearance a representation of a race to begin with.
Still, Spielberg directing can lead to nothing good. The man's lost his touch over the years, at least were summer blockbusters are concerened. After War of the Worlds I wouldn't trust him in the director's chair of something like Transformers.
tyrese damn he some racist
Capt.Failure wrote:shamone wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:First-Aid wrote:shamone wrote:"I never liked those characters, and I am glad they're not back. I think that every nationality in the world deserves to walk out of a movie and still feel good about themselves. I think it's a responsibility to the fans. I just didn't like some of the things they were saying, and the way they were going about whatever it was they were doing in that film. To be honest, I didn't think that they added to the movie at all. I guess (Michael Bay) was just feeling something out. Moving on, we're here now. Let's go ahead and close it out. We'll close it out with Trans3: Dark of the Moon!"
glad im not the only one uncomfortable about the twins in rotf
I will make a note of the fact that the twins were not a nationality or a race, nor did they represent a nationality or race.
QFT. Its only racist when you consider their actions/appearance a representation of a race to begin with.
Still, Spielberg directing can lead to nothing good. The man's lost his touch over the years, at least were summer blockbusters are concerened. After War of the Worlds I wouldn't trust him in the director's chair of something like Transformers.
tyrese damn he some racist
I agree. If he sees African Americans in the culture the Twins represent than he is indeed racist.
SlyTF1 wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:shamone wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:First-Aid wrote:shamone wrote:"I never liked those characters, and I am glad they're not back. I think that every nationality in the world deserves to walk out of a movie and still feel good about themselves. I think it's a responsibility to the fans. I just didn't like some of the things they were saying, and the way they were going about whatever it was they were doing in that film. To be honest, I didn't think that they added to the movie at all. I guess (Michael Bay) was just feeling something out. Moving on, we're here now. Let's go ahead and close it out. We'll close it out with Trans3: Dark of the Moon!"
glad im not the only one uncomfortable about the twins in rotf
I will make a note of the fact that the twins were not a nationality or a race, nor did they represent a nationality or race.
QFT. Its only racist when you consider their actions/appearance a representation of a race to begin with.
Still, Spielberg directing can lead to nothing good. The man's lost his touch over the years, at least were summer blockbusters are concerened. After War of the Worlds I wouldn't trust him in the director's chair of something like Transformers.
tyrese damn he some racist
I agree. If he sees African Americans in the culture the Twins represent than he is indeed racist.
I can see where people come from when they get the idea, but the twins don't represent a specific race. They're robots who simply speak slang...just like the majority of these bad ass kids out here who kill people.
Capt.Failure wrote:OptiMagnus wrote:1. Explain how Michael Bay direspects the brand.
2. Explain what "the fans" want to see. As far as I'm concerned, I'm a fan, and I'm seeing what I want to see out of the movies.
3. Explain how all the fundamental things that make Transformers recognizable have been changed. We have Autobots vs. Decepticons, Optimus Prime vs. Megatron, we have robots that change into vehicles, they come from the planet Cybertron: shall I go on?
I believe that after all these years we should realize that these questions you ask will never be answered since it would cause them to invalidate their own point in the first place.
OptiMagnus wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:OptiMagnus wrote:1. Explain how Michael Bay direspects the brand.
2. Explain what "the fans" want to see. As far as I'm concerned, I'm a fan, and I'm seeing what I want to see out of the movies.
3. Explain how all the fundamental things that make Transformers recognizable have been changed. We have Autobots vs. Decepticons, Optimus Prime vs. Megatron, we have robots that change into vehicles, they come from the planet Cybertron: shall I go on?
I believe that after all these years we should realize that these questions you ask will never be answered since it would cause them to invalidate their own point in the first place.
If my questions are not answered, then I can only assume my points are at least minutely valid and difficult to challenge.
Autobot032 wrote:1.) He disrespects the brand by disrespecting us. Not the source material or the characters, but us. When we, the collective fandom, presented him with an award? He made note of it being plastic and bitched about the whole shooting match. If it wasn't for us, the brand would never have made it this long. Their main focus at Hasbro is kids, and kids obviously stopped giving a damn back at the end of G1. G2 didn't fly, and it wasn't until Beast Wars came along (kids love animals and dinosaurs), but collectors kept the whole thing going, even when it was dead.
Beast Machines? Collectors.
Oh, and for example, a magazine article mentioned that as a brand, TransFormers did, on average, about $75 mil a year. The movies? Made it jump to a billion. Between the collectors and the kids, we keep the whole thing alive. You can't tell me that kids, alone, do a billion dollars worth of TF business.
We write Bay's paycheck. We defend him when other fans want to tear him apart. If it wasn't for us buying the obscure figures and repaints and remolds, Hasbro would have no way to make their money back. Kids won't buy those, parents won't buy those, WE do.
The movies are also aimed at our age bracket, not kids like he claims. I most certainly wouldn't allow a kid to go see these.
Considering how much we've done for him, and he for us, you'd think he'd understand that we need each other and not one over the other. So yeah, by disrespecting us, he's disrespected the brand that made him more money than he knows what to do with, and given him more word of mouth than he ever had before.
Before TransFormers? My Dad didn't even know who Michael Bay was, and he watches a lot of movies. Now? My Dad knows who he is, and so does everyone else.
He should be thankful, not a whiny bitch.
[...]
I should add this: I'm no longer a fan of Michael Bay, the person. He's a dick. Ungrateful. However, as a director, I find that he's quite competent and delivered. I also don't blame him for the film's problems. I place that blame directly on the writers. I don't know much of John Rogers' work, though Catwoman was awful, so I'm sure he didn't help the first movie much, if at all. The second film, the good scenes, had to be done by Ehren Kruger. Had to be. None of that's Bay's fault, that's all the writers. Allowing excessive goofy humor? Bay's fault, but the story? No.
He shouldn't have had death threats, he should have had his home broken into, he shouldn't have had stuff stolen from him, but he also no longer deserves respect when he acts like a jackass.
Autobot032 wrote: 2.) I can't argue there. I'm a fan and I got what I wanted. The first movie, while reeeeeeally boring and too long, did deliver the wow factor. The second movie was just a lot of fun and had a nice pace. The third is shaping up to be excellent, perhaps the best of the trilogy. So, all I can really say is that the fans don't know what they want from one day to the next.
Capt.Failure wrote: He shouldn't have had death threats, he should have had his home broken into, he shouldn't have had stuff stolen from him, but he also no longer deserves respect when he acts like a jackass.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Capt.Failure wrote:Autobot032 wrote:1.) He disrespects the brand by disrespecting us. Not the source material or the characters, but us. When we, the collective fandom, presented him with an award? He made note of it being plastic and bitched about the whole shooting match. If it wasn't for us, the brand would never have made it this long. Their main focus at Hasbro is kids, and kids obviously stopped giving a damn back at the end of G1. G2 didn't fly, and it wasn't until Beast Wars came along (kids love animals and dinosaurs), but collectors kept the whole thing going, even when it was dead.
Beast Machines? Collectors.
Oh, and for example, a magazine article mentioned that as a brand, TransFormers did, on average, about $75 mil a year. The movies? Made it jump to a billion. Between the collectors and the kids, we keep the whole thing alive. You can't tell me that kids, alone, do a billion dollars worth of TF business.
We write Bay's paycheck. We defend him when other fans want to tear him apart. If it wasn't for us buying the obscure figures and repaints and remolds, Hasbro would have no way to make their money back. Kids won't buy those, parents won't buy those, WE do.
The movies are also aimed at our age bracket, not kids like he claims. I most certainly wouldn't allow a kid to go see these.
Considering how much we've done for him, and he for us, you'd think he'd understand that we need each other and not one over the other. So yeah, by disrespecting us, he's disrespected the brand that made him more money than he knows what to do with, and given him more word of mouth than he ever had before.
Before TransFormers? My Dad didn't even know who Michael Bay was, and he watches a lot of movies. Now? My Dad knows who he is, and so does everyone else.
He should be thankful, not a whiny bitch.
[...]
I should add this: I'm no longer a fan of Michael Bay, the person. He's a dick. Ungrateful. However, as a director, I find that he's quite competent and delivered. I also don't blame him for the film's problems. I place that blame directly on the writers. I don't know much of John Rogers' work, though Catwoman was awful, so I'm sure he didn't help the first movie much, if at all. The second film, the good scenes, had to be done by Ehren Kruger. Had to be. None of that's Bay's fault, that's all the writers. Allowing excessive goofy humor? Bay's fault, but the story? No.
He shouldn't have had death threats, he should have had his home broken into, he shouldn't have had stuff stolen from him, but he also no longer deserves respect when he acts like a jackass.
I felt like bolding that last part, because it proves my point. What exactly did we do as a fandom to make him respect us? Threaten to kill him, break into his home, and steal his stuff, hold protests outside his office. You say we thanked him because we went to see these films in droves, yet you fail to understand the kind of bad taste these events put in his mouth. Our seeing these films wasn't thanks, it was an apology at best. And apologies don't always make a person your friend.
Sorry, but we already disrespected him as a person long before he "disrespected" us. If anything we earned his disrespect, and judging by the action of people on places like this forum we're still earning it. Just because he calls us out on the crap we've done doesn't make him the "ungreatful dick." That would be us, really.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
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