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I just bought Energon Shockwave recently for likely more more money than I would pay for a rerelease at retail, so if he's coming out again that will annoy me...

Like anyone else, I'd VERY much like to see an ORIGINAL Universe Shockwave...And a Masterpiece Shockwave would get buried with me when I die...


What I don't understand is everyone saying if they rerelease Energon Shockwave they should give him a new arm...I mean, yeah his arm is rediculously huge but if you replaced it with something else then you just killed his alt modes...That wouldn't even remotely make sense for them to give him a new arm...

More of my money that Hasbro doesn't get.

Takara! Takara! Wait, I have some more to spend!

I actually don't have any version of that particular mold, so I'd probably get it, anyway.

As for the fears about Universe turning (back) into just repaints and re-releases, I kinda doubt it. Yes, there were numerous repaints in the Classics/Universe line, but also many new molds, including several positively outstanding ones. I'm laying odds on it coming back after RotF has run its course, with a combo of new molds and repaints/remolds.

Autobot032 wrote:IF they killed the 25th Anniversary line for ROTF (which seems to be the case) then I'm going to be angry with this new figure.

They most likely pushed the 25th figs back until the movie figs have run their course. They did it before and will do it again I am certain of that.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:IF they killed the 25th Anniversary line for ROTF (which seems to be the case) then I'm going to be angry with this new figure.

They most likely pushed the 25th figs back until the movie figs have run their course. They did it before and will do it again I am certain of that.

Normally, I'd agree with you, but they said the only product for 2009 was ROTF and the remainder of Animated.

Anything pertaining to Universe was "2010" or "We don't have plans at this time" or "We can't speak of what's to come beyond the 2009 product line. Might return in 2010."

Universe was the only line that carried the silver badge, so I'd assume it's say to say it's done.

And if they did continue the anniversary next year, that's just silly. It's not the anniversary.

...though I can see them using that as a sales tactic. I don't have a high opinion of Hasbro at the moment.

Autobot032 wrote:
Universe was the only line that carried the silver badge, so I'd assume it's say to say it's done.

And if they did continue the anniversary next year, that's just silly. It's not the anniversary.

You seem to be forgetting that Universe started LAST year and was not "25th Anniversary" then...Nor was it when it was "Classics"...So I don't see how the whole anniversary thing would have anything to do with whether or not it returns...

typh0id wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:
Universe was the only line that carried the silver badge, so I'd assume it's say to say it's done.

And if they did continue the anniversary next year, that's just silly. It's not the anniversary.

You seem to be forgetting that Universe started LAST year and was not "25th Anniversary" then...Nor was it when it was "Classics"...So I don't see how the whole anniversary thing would have anything to do with whether or not it returns...

Uh...no.

That's not what I'm saying.

Universe will return from it's "hiatus" in 2010. (They pretty much said as much without actually saying the words.)

They started stamping the logo on the Universe boxes and cards which officially made it the 25th. Anniversary line for the year. ROTF and Animated both go sans logo stamp.

Now, Universe will return as it's supposed to, and I hope it stays just Universe. I don't want them slapping that logo on the packages for two reasons:

1.) It won't be the anniversary year. (It'd be a lie, really.)
2.) As you mentioned, Universe was Universe before they slapped that logo on, and it should be Universe (only!) when it returns. Slapping that logo on is just a desperate attempt to get the figures sold a bit better than they normally would.

I mean it couldn't possibly be that the figures themselves are worth the dough, oh no. They have to wear that whored out stamp to be worth anything, and even then it didn't save them from this year's chopping block.

I'm angry with Hasbro, not the fans, or the toys themselves. How we and they were handled, pisses me off.

It's a slap in the face to restart the anniversary when we really didn't get the celebration. At that point it'd just be to sell extra figures.

Screw that.

Autobot032 wrote:

typh0id wrote:You seem to be forgetting that Universe started LAST year and was not "25th Anniversary" then...Nor was it when it was "Classics"...So I don't see how the whole anniversary thing would have anything to do with whether or not it returns...

Uh...no.

That's not what I'm saying.

Universe will return from it's "hiatus" in 2010. (They pretty much said as much without actually saying the words.)

They started stamping the logo on the Universe boxes and cards which officially made it the 25th. Anniversary line for the year. ROTF and Animated both go sans logo stamp.

Now, Universe will return as it's supposed to, and I hope it stays just Universe. I don't want them slapping that logo on the packages for two reasons:

1.) It won't be the anniversary year. (It'd be a lie, really.)
2.) As you mentioned, Universe was Universe before they slapped that logo on, and it should be Universe (only!) when it returns. Slapping that logo on is just a desperate attempt to get the figures sold a bit better than they normally would.

I mean it couldn't possibly be that the figures themselves are worth the dough, oh no. They have to wear that whored out stamp to be worth anything, and even then it didn't save them from this year's chopping block.

I'm angry with Hasbro, not the fans, or the toys themselves. How we and they were handled, pisses me off.

It's a slap in the face to restart the anniversary when we really didn't get the celebration. At that point it'd just be to sell extra figures.

Screw that.

Oh, I see what you were saying...Sorry, I misunderstood But yeah I agree with that...

Autobot032 wrote:I'm angry with Hasbro, not the fans, or the toys themselves. How we and they were handled, pisses me off.

It's a slap in the face to restart the anniversary when we really didn't get the celebration. At that point it'd just be to sell extra figures.

Screw that.

YES! Thank You! Aside from some grumbling from a few folks who are typically (but usually justifiably in their own right) down on a lot of the products I was starting to wonder if it really was just me that was feeling majorly slighted by Hasbros offerings over the last year or so. I was actually expecting negative feedback when I made my post early on in this thread and I was genuinely surprised to see so many posts from people who felt the same wayas me.
Sure, the economy sucks and they may not be able to produce what they CLAIM they ideally would like to but I think the reality is that they have the ability but not the desire to keep the whole range of their consumers happy.
They want to mass produce and/or recylce crap and pawn it off on the unenlightened and we are making that problematic because of our scrutiny. The only way to get rid of that scrutiny is to make things so disappointing for so long that we give up and go away. The new Movies are bringing enough new victims in for them that our loss is going to be negligible from Hasbros standpoint. They are quite capable of running multiple lines at once so this whole thing of focusing on only RotF for the rest of the year is just them blowing smoke up our butts and trying to see how many of us they can shake off while they pick up new followers with the 2nd movies release.
They're Plastic Crack dealers, this stuff isn't giving us a "buzz" anymore so they'll cut us off and find an easier mark that will get a buzz off their inferior crap, pay more money for it and be happy to get it. Hasbro should be selling Meth. The economy might start picking up then.

typh0id wrote:

Autobot032 wrote:

typh0id wrote:You seem to be forgetting that Universe started LAST year and was not "25th Anniversary" then...Nor was it when it was "Classics"...So I don't see how the whole anniversary thing would have anything to do with whether or not it returns...

Uh...no.

That's not what I'm saying.

Universe will return from it's "hiatus" in 2010. (They pretty much said as much without actually saying the words.)

They started stamping the logo on the Universe boxes and cards which officially made it the 25th. Anniversary line for the year. ROTF and Animated both go sans logo stamp.

Now, Universe will return as it's supposed to, and I hope it stays just Universe. I don't want them slapping that logo on the packages for two reasons:

1.) It won't be the anniversary year. (It'd be a lie, really.)
2.) As you mentioned, Universe was Universe before they slapped that logo on, and it should be Universe (only!) when it returns. Slapping that logo on is just a desperate attempt to get the figures sold a bit better than they normally would.

I mean it couldn't possibly be that the figures themselves are worth the dough, oh no. They have to wear that whored out stamp to be worth anything, and even then it didn't save them from this year's chopping block.

I'm angry with Hasbro, not the fans, or the toys themselves. How we and they were handled, pisses me off.

It's a slap in the face to restart the anniversary when we really didn't get the celebration. At that point it'd just be to sell extra figures.

Screw that.

Oh, I see what you were saying...Sorry, I misunderstood But yeah I agree with that...

Not a prob. When I get heated up like that, I tend to ramble and make not an ounce of sense.

And yes, it's anger inducing.

I will support ROTF, I have no problem doing that, but at least do it to us the right way. Not like how they've handled it so far.

From what I hear, TFCC has just canceled their preorders of Animated Arcee and Electrostatic Soundwave, (along with Rodimus and Wing Blade Optimus) saying something along the lines of "This product isn't being produced" or something to that effect.

And people have said their preorders were terminated.

So....yeah. Not good news.

And T-Macksimus...

They're going where the guaranteed money is. And further proving that the public, the masses are puppeted tools who will buy anything once you slap a new cost of paint on it.

In a way, I'd like to see the toyline fail, so Hasbro learns not to put all of their eggs in one basket and also not to screw us faithfuls who've been here for years. But they repeatedly tell us we have little to no say in what goes on, so they "kindly" give us homages and tidbits as a thank you. (Riiiight.)

*sighs* I don't know anymore. Takara's looking better all the time, even with terrible QC.

Yaeh, I know about them following the money. I've pointed that out to others on numerous occasions. What I'm getting at is the fact that they make a show of wanting input from us and stroke our egos by telling us how much they belive that us older fans and collectors are a valuable assest. Being walked on I can handle, what I don't like is someone trying to blow sunshine up my butt while they're lacing up their spiked shoes.

T-Macksimus wrote:Yaeh, I know about them following the money. I've pointed that out to others on numerous occasions. What I'm getting at is the fact that they make a show of wanting input from us and stroke our egos by telling us how much they belive that us older fans and collectors are a valuable assest. Being walked on I can handle, what I don't like is someone trying to blow sunshine up my butt while they're lacing up their spiked shoes.

Exactly. At least tell me I'm worth nothing to you. I'd appreciate the honesty.

I've been pretty disappointed with what Hasbro has offered
in the Anniversary line so far.

When the GI Joe stuff came out it was exciting because they seemed to be pushing out all the figures I remembered as a kid.

The TF 25th stuff has been no comparison. A little bit of this
and a little bit of that, and nothing, except Cyclonus, has been
inspiring and really made me want to collect it.
That has been the case with the Universe line since it's earliest inception, (not the Classics continuation stuff as that is just a canceled toy line packed into a regularly crummy line) and it seems fitting that they would clump the 2 ideas together.

Hasbro can wonder and wonder why thier sales are slumping
and just be like "Uh, I don' know why we not making money."
all they want. I know why, and it's because they keep giving us less for more and many of us have caught up with that ploy.

Energon Shockblast is a fine toy I'm sure, wouldn't know, never opened mine. But I wouldn't buy another one just because the box has a "25th Annv" stamp on it.

I WOULD like to remind everyone there are a lot of heated feelings here over something that is pure speculation at this point...I mean, this thread started with a picture and absolutely no description and we've all just sort of run off with it from there...Even the OP didn't sound completely sure what this was...

We're all ranting about remolded arms and 25th Anniversaries and what-not but nothing even remotely official has been stated about ANY of that...Just keep that in mind


That said, I do feel pretty cheated buy our "glorious" 25th Anniversary...There hasn't really been anything that's come out with the "25th" stamp on it that seemed any more remarkable than anything we'd gotten the year before...Sure Cyclonus and Hound were great but I'm pretty sure they would have come out anyway...Really the ONLY thing specifically anniversary related was the G1 Optimus Prime reissue package and that was nothing short of insulting...


All labels aside though, if I hadn't just purchased an Energon Shockblast, I'd be pretty thrilled they were re-releasing him (just like I was with Unicron)...You can complain about his arm all you want but I think he's a great figure and his satellite mode is awesome

It's too bad that Hasbro has never been able to come up with a new Shockwave mold that they could use...

...oh wait--THEY DID. Remember the Titanium Shockwave prototype that got canned? Relase that in the Universe line, Hasbro, ya pinheads!