Bronzewolf wrote:Megatron
But the movies aren't G1. Why is every other non-G1 Megatron allowed by the fans to have their own unique and original designs but not Movie Megatron? Or any of the Movie characters?Cyberpath wrote:this is what Megatron should have looked like in the Michael Bay movies. (And voiced by Frank Welker from the start.)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:But the movies aren't G1. Why is every other non-G1 Megatron allowed by the fans to have their own unique and original designs but not Movie Megatron? Or any of the Movie characters?Cyberpath wrote:this is what Megatron should have looked like in the Michael Bay movies. (And voiced by Frank Welker from the start.)
Seemed more to me like it was aimed at mainstream action popcorn movie audiences unfamiliar with Transformers than anyone else.Kurona wrote:The movie was very obviously intentionally aimed at fans of G1
"Present-day Earth" was the main setting from 2001 to 2005, with "out in space" as a secondary setting during that time, and both of which the movies all take place in as well.Kurona wrote:notice that before the movies, every other iteration of Transformers featured entirely different settings
With Jazz being the only one of those four who bore any physical resemblance to his G1 counterpart, and not even in his color scheme.Kurona wrote:The movie went full-out G1 with it's Autobot cast - hence Ratchet, Jazz, Ironhide, Bumblebee
Let's not beat around the bush here. The real reason is cuz a lot of G1 fans wanted and still want live-action G1 movies instead of live-action non-G1 movies. They want what they grew up with to be done and be seen in a real life live-action format (nothing wrong with that) and won't accept anything new or different from that (therein lies the problem).Kurona wrote:and was a blockbuster movie aimed at cashing in on 80s fans' nostalgia. So it's only natural that said fans would want the designs to be more reminiscent of G1 more than any other series, especially given there were a lot more viewers to this than the likes of RiD and Cybertron.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Seemed more to me like it was aimed at mainstream action popcorn movie audiences unfamiliar with Transformers than anyone else.Kurona wrote:The movie was very obviously intentionally aimed at fans of G1"Present-day Earth" was the main setting from 2001 to 2005, with "out in space" as a secondary setting during that time, and both of which the movies all take place in as well.Kurona wrote:notice that before the movies, every other iteration of Transformers featured entirely different settingsWith Jazz being the only one of those four who bore any physical resemblance to his G1 counterpart, and not even in his color scheme.Kurona wrote:The movie went full-out G1 with it's Autobot cast - hence Ratchet, Jazz, Ironhide, Bumblebee
Not to mention how three of those four were barely even in the movie at all.
Sabrblade wrote:But the movies aren't G1. Why is every other non-G1 Megatron allowed by the fans to have their own unique and original designs but not Movie Megatron? Or any of the Movie characters?Cyberpath wrote:this is what Megatron should have looked like in the Michael Bay movies. (And voiced by Frank Welker from the start.)
By 2007, there were lots of sources to choose from. All those other examples you listed didn't have to keep drastically reinventing the looks of those characters every year or two to keep things fresh over the years to sell more toys. But Transformers had to do that because what made Transformers popular in the first place also nearly killed Transformers too.Cyberpath wrote:Sabrblade wrote:But the movies aren't G1. Why is every other non-G1 Megatron allowed by the fans to have their own unique and original designs but not Movie Megatron? Or any of the Movie characters?Cyberpath wrote:this is what Megatron should have looked like in the Michael Bay movies. (And voiced by Frank Welker from the start.)
Because when you do movies you go back to the source, to what made the franchise popular in the first place, and go from there.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:By 2007, there were lots of sources to choose from. All those other examples you listed didn't have to keep drastically reinventing the looks of those characters every year or two to keep things fresh over the years to sell more toys. But Transformers had to do that because what made Transformers popular in the first place also nearly killed Transformers too.
They were to every kid who grew up with them as much as G1 was to every kid who grew up with it, yes.Cyberpath wrote:Yes, I'm sure all the other obscure Transformers cartoons and toys up to 2007 were just as well-known and iconic as the originals.
Which only really started to take off in 2006.Cyberpath wrote:And that it's totally a coincidence that Hasbro is still basing its toys on "G1."
Every 1 to 2 years, though?Cyberpath wrote:And these other franchises did change in the comics...
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:They were to every kid who grew up with them as much as G1 was to every kid who grew up with it, yes.Cyberpath wrote:Yes, I'm sure all the other obscure Transformers cartoons and toys up to 2007 were just as well-known and iconic as the originals.
Sabrblade wrote:Which only really started to take off in 2006.Cyberpath wrote:And that it's totally a coincidence that Hasbro is still basing its toys on "G1."
Sabrblade wrote:Every 1 to 2 years, though?Cyberpath wrote:And these other franchises did change in the comics...
.. but the movie makers knew how to pick the iconic looks for them.
Cyberpath wrote:Batman like Batman
Sabrblade wrote:Let's not beat around the bush here. The real reason is cuz a lot of G1 fans wanted and still want live-action G1 movies instead of live-action non-G1 movies. They want what they grew up with to be done and be seen in a real life live-action format (nothing wrong with that) and won't accept anything new or different from that (therein lies the problem).
Cyberpath wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Which only really started to take off in 2006.Cyberpath wrote:And that it's totally a coincidence that Hasbro is still basing its toys on "G1."
Earlier than that, I think. But that's already ten years. Companies tend to go back to the original once the "flavour of the month" dries up. Even "G2" was the "G1" toys with weird decos and some new figures that could have been released in the original line.
Cyberpath wrote:Was there ever a "Batman" film where Batman didn't look like Batman?
-- where someone looked at him and said.. wait, is that supposed to be... Batman...?
Never happened. Batman is instantly recognisable in all of them. They took his attributes and ran with it.
Emerje wrote:Cyberpath wrote:Was there ever a "Batman" film where Batman didn't look like Batman?
-- where someone looked at him and said.. wait, is that supposed to be... Batman...?
Never happened. Batman is instantly recognisable in all of them. They took his attributes and ran with it.
Of the three you listed, Spiderman, Batman, and Superman, it's Batman who had the most drastic costume change when it came to '89 and later movies. He still doesn't dress like that in the comics because he doesn't need to. I'm not saying he's unrecognizable, just that he had a radical redesign compared to the others you named.
Emerje wrote:And the reason why he still looks vaguely the same after getting the movie treatment is because in the end he's still the same millionaire playboy Bruce Wayne who's parents were murdered and fighting crime at night. Spiderman is still student Peter Parker that was bit by a radioactive spider. Superman is still Daily Planet writer Clark Kent who is secretly an alien from the planet Krypton. It's the same characters from the comics. Movie Megatron is not G1 Megatron in any way, shape, or form, they don't share origins, they don't share stories, and therefore has no need to look like him at all. Sure, many of us would like to see G1 done as the ideal movie and that statue might fit in nicely with that, but that's not the movies we got.
Emerje
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