MYoung23 wrote:Burn wrote:Yeah see, I just get this bad feeling now that this cartoon is going to be a huge fanwank, rehashing old stuff, and not really doing much for the fandom.
Oh well. Poop happens.
So it will stink like Animated?
SlyTF1 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with this plot and character development bullshit? I could understand if it was any other movie other than Transformers, but it just doesnt fking matter! Its robots coming to earth looking for a fuel source to get back to their planet, end of story...with some explosions in there somewhere. Besides, ROTF did have character development. Sam, Leo, Simmons, Jetfire, Wheelie, Sam's parents, and maybe even Optimus all changed through the movie.
Urzu Six wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with this plot and character development bullshit? I could understand if it was any other movie other than Transformers, but it just doesnt fking matter! Its robots coming to earth looking for a fuel source to get back to their planet, end of story...with some explosions in there somewhere. Besides, ROTF did have character development. Sam, Leo, Simmons, Jetfire, Wheelie, Sam's parents, and maybe even Optimus all changed through the movie.
You confuse me. How can you say plot doesn't matter?
As for listing ROTF characters who "developed":
HA HA HA.
SlyTF1 wrote: Besides, ROTF did have character development. Sam, Leo, Simmons, Jetfire, Wheelie, Sam's parents, and maybe even Optimus all changed through the movie.
gigazarak wrote:Diem wrote:Agreed so hard.Burn wrote:Yeah see, I just get this bad feeling now that this cartoon is going to be a huge fanwank, rehashing old stuff, and not really doing much for the fandom.
Oh well. Poop happens.
I tend to agree too. It's nice to hear that Cullen will be back, if only for nostalgia reasons, but it really could be an indication that they are just going to be treading over old material/ideas/themes, just like the toys at the moment, with repaint after repaint,
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:SlyTF1 wrote: Besides, ROTF did have character development. Sam, Leo, Simmons, Jetfire, Wheelie, Sam's parents, and maybe even Optimus all changed through the movie.
It's hard to peg down weather or not you're being sarcastic or if this is your opinion.
SlyTF1 wrote:Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:SlyTF1 wrote: Besides, ROTF did have character development. Sam, Leo, Simmons, Jetfire, Wheelie, Sam's parents, and maybe even Optimus all changed through the movie.
It's hard to peg down weather or not you're being sarcastic or if this is your opinion.
Its not an oppinion its a fact, they did change through the movie.
Maybe it's becuase we're tired of all these, paper-thin, shallow, poorly-written, underdeveloped stories that do nothing more than sell toys and make stuff look pretty.SlyTF1 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with this plot and character development bullshit? I could understand if it was any other movie other than Transformers, but it just doesnt fking matter! Its robots coming to earth looking for a fuel source to get back to their planet, end of story...with some explosions in there somewhere.
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Sabrblade wrote:Maybe it's becuase we're tired of all these, paper-thin, shallow, poorly-written, underdeveloped stories that do nothing more than sell toys and make stuff look pretty.SlyTF1 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with this plot and character development bullshit? I could understand if it was any other movie other than Transformers, but it just doesnt fking matter! Its robots coming to earth looking for a fuel source to get back to their planet, end of story...with some explosions in there somewhere.
We LIKE good plot-driven stories. We LIKE well-developed characters and concepts. We LIKE deeper messages hidden within the story's context that make us think wiser about things.
In a nut-shell, we LIKE quality!
Thus far, two series have contained all of these and more: Beast Wars and Animated. Both of which didn't treat their characters like they were just toys that they were trying to sell and advertise, but were instead treated like fully individual persons in their own right, regardless of their fictional status. Each "main" character was either completely or almost completely three-dimensional (excluding background or minor characters), whereas a good majority of the bot cast of G1 and the live action movies were one or two dimensional at best.
The stories were carefully planned out better, spanning several episodes to develop everything and keep the audience in suspence and awe. Everything didn't come out all at once, and little by little that stories unfolded, growing and evolving into amazing works of art. That's quality.
Sabrblade wrote:Maybe it's becuase we're tired of all these, paper-thin, shallow, poorly-written, underdeveloped stories that do nothing more than sell toys and make stuff look pretty.SlyTF1 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with this plot and character development bullshit? I could understand if it was any other movie other than Transformers, but it just doesnt fking matter! Its robots coming to earth looking for a fuel source to get back to their planet, end of story...with some explosions in there somewhere.
We LIKE good plot-driven stories. We LIKE well-developed characters and concepts. We LIKE deeper messages hidden within the story's context that make us think wiser about things.
In a nut-shell, we LIKE quality!
Thus far, two series have contained all of these and more: Beast Wars and Animated. Both of which didn't treat their characters like they were just toys that they were trying to sell and advertise, but were instead treated like fully individual persons in their own right, regardless of their fictional status. Each "main" character was either completely or almost completely three-dimensional (excluding background or minor characters), whereas a good majority of the bot cast of G1 and the live action movies were one or two dimensional at best.
The stories were carefully planned out better, spanning several episodes to develop everything and keep the audience in suspence and awe. Everything didn't come out all at once, and little by little that stories unfolded, growing and evolving into amazing works of art. That's quality.
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:SlyTF1 wrote: Besides, ROTF did have character development. Sam, Leo, Simmons, Jetfire, Wheelie, Sam's parents, and maybe even Optimus all changed through the movie.
It's hard to peg down weather or not you're being sarcastic or if this is your opinion.
Its not an oppinion its a fact, they did change through the movie.
My mistake, wrong terminology. Also: can you really count Jetfire in that list? (I just noticed him in there, yay for my observational skills) I mean the only character development I saw in him was from crazy, bearded, and senile old man, to armor. (*Awesome* crazy, bearded, and senile, old man who wielded a giant axe sure, but still.)
First-Aid wrote:gigazarak wrote:Diem wrote:Agreed so hard.Burn wrote:Yeah see, I just get this bad feeling now that this cartoon is going to be a huge fanwank, rehashing old stuff, and not really doing much for the fandom.
Oh well. Poop happens.
I tend to agree too. It's nice to hear that Cullen will be back, if only for nostalgia reasons, but it really could be an indication that they are just going to be treading over old material/ideas/themes, just like the toys at the moment, with repaint after repaint,
But, if you look at the reviews and reactions to the toys from fans, that is EXACTLY what everyone wants! G1 returns! It's the shiznit! Everything gets compared unfavorably to G1 on this and other fan sites. Change is evil!
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Evil_the_Nub wrote:First-Aid wrote:gigazarak wrote:Diem wrote:Agreed so hard.Burn wrote:Yeah see, I just get this bad feeling now that this cartoon is going to be a huge fanwank, rehashing old stuff, and not really doing much for the fandom.
Oh well. Poop happens.
I tend to agree too. It's nice to hear that Cullen will be back, if only for nostalgia reasons, but it really could be an indication that they are just going to be treading over old material/ideas/themes, just like the toys at the moment, with repaint after repaint,
But, if you look at the reviews and reactions to the toys from fans, that is EXACTLY what everyone wants! G1 returns! It's the shiznit! Everything gets compared unfavorably to G1 on this and other fan sites. Change is evil!
That is hilarious, for decades now people have been screaming "more G1!" now that Peter Cullen is going to be Optimus again people are saying "it's too G1!"
Sabrblade wrote:Maybe it's becuase we're tired of all these, paper-thin, shallow, poorly-written, underdeveloped stories that do nothing more than sell toys and make stuff look pretty.SlyTF1 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with this plot and character development bullshit? I could understand if it was any other movie other than Transformers, but it just doesnt fking matter! Its robots coming to earth looking for a fuel source to get back to their planet, end of story...with some explosions in there somewhere.
We LIKE good plot-driven stories. We LIKE well-developed characters and concepts. We LIKE deeper messages hidden within the story's context that make us think wiser about things.
In a nut-shell, we LIKE quality!
Thus far, two series have contained all of these and more: Beast Wars and Animated. Both of which didn't treat their characters like they were just toys that they were trying to sell and advertise, but were instead treated like fully individual persons in their own right, regardless of their fictional status. Each "main" character was either completely or almost completely three-dimensional (excluding background or minor characters), whereas a good majority of the bot cast of G1 and the live action movies were one or two dimensional at best.
The stories were carefully planned out better, spanning several episodes to develop everything and keep the audience in suspence and awe. Everything didn't come out all at once, and little by little that stories unfolded, growing and evolving into amazing works of art. That's quality.
Burn wrote:Yeah see, I just get this bad feeling now that this cartoon is going to be a huge fanwank, rehashing old stuff, and not really doing much for the fandom.
Oh well. Poop happens.
Evil_the_Nub wrote:First-Aid wrote:gigazarak wrote:Diem wrote:Agreed so hard.Burn wrote:Yeah see, I just get this bad feeling now that this cartoon is going to be a huge fanwank, rehashing old stuff, and not really doing much for the fandom.
Oh well. Poop happens.
I tend to agree too. It's nice to hear that Cullen will be back, if only for nostalgia reasons, but it really could be an indication that they are just going to be treading over old material/ideas/themes, just like the toys at the moment, with repaint after repaint,
But, if you look at the reviews and reactions to the toys from fans, that is EXACTLY what everyone wants! G1 returns! It's the shiznit! Everything gets compared unfavorably to G1 on this and other fan sites. Change is evil!
That is hilarious, for decades now people have been screaming "more G1!" now that Peter Cullen is going to be Optimus again people are saying "it's too G1!"
SlyTF1 wrote:Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:SlyTF1 wrote: Besides, ROTF did have character development. Sam, Leo, Simmons, Jetfire, Wheelie, Sam's parents, and maybe even Optimus all changed through the movie.
It's hard to peg down weather or not you're being sarcastic or if this is your opinion.
Its not an oppinion its a fact, they did change through the movie.
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