hausjam wrote:Unlike the haters, I will take it any way I can get it. I loved them all. Weirdo fan boys who are entitled enough to think they deserve a big budget movie catered to their whims and desires will just have to keep dreaming. And hack critics, well, no one gives a frack what they think anyway. They are long since irrelevant in this world. (BTW, I put Justice League in my top 10 favs)
Long live Transformers!
Caelus wrote:the belief that something designed to satisfy overseas interests reflects what domestic consumers 'really want'.
Caelus wrote:makes you an entitled brat/elitist snob.
Rated X wrote:*truth*
Rated X wrote:Caelus wrote:the belief that something designed to satisfy overseas interests reflects what domestic consumers 'really want'.
Marky Mark, John Cena, Chevrolet, and Nascar are all about as 7"overseas" as a philly cheese steak.
The word "elitist" ? I never heard of the term before in my life until a couple of months ago on this site.
I never would have imagined having an opinion about a movie of all things makes someone feel elite. Is this like a millennial thing? Enlighten me...
Caelus wrote:Rated X wrote:Caelus wrote:the belief that something designed to satisfy overseas interests reflects what domestic consumers 'really want'.
Marky Mark, John Cena, Chevrolet, and Nascar are all about as 7"overseas" as a philly cheese steak.
"Marky Mark" has his own rrestaurant chain in China and John Cena speaks Mandarin. NASCAR has been flirting with China for a long time. The stereotypes associated with 'Murica' are more popular there than here.The word "elitist" ? I never heard of the term before in my life until a couple of months ago on this site.
I doubt tthat's true.I never would have imagined having an opinion about a movie of all things makes someone feel elite. Is this like a millennial thing? Enlighten me...
Elitist is an insult. No one calls themself an elitist because of their feelings about a movie. Other people call them elitist.
Addendum: "elitist" is used interchangeably with "entitled".
Rated X wrote:So basically youre saying that you just insulted me and im too stupid to get the insult...
Thanks !
Seriously I never heard the word in my life.
I live in Miami in a more "urban" environment.
Dont assume all guys that collect toy robots speak college jargon.
I notice you didnt have a reason why Chevrolet and GM was picked as the main car company for the movie, instead of say, Toyota.
I cant tell you for sure if other countries are super obsessed with American culture. They might be. But thats not a reason to suggest that an American director who films an English movie that features mostly American culture is targeting "overseas" audiences.
So are you suggesting that Americans dont want to watch movies that feature American culture?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:A lot of people are just tired of these movies catering so strongly towards psychos, perverts, bigots, and dimwits.
Silverwing wrote:Also, I feel compelled to give the obligatory:
One for each year of the Movieverse's decade strong tenure. Here's to a few more explosive years!
Sabrblade wrote:A lot of people are just tired of these movies catering so strongly towards psychos, perverts, bigots, and dimwits.
Caelus wrote:Rated X wrote:So basically youre saying that you just insulted me and im too stupid to get the insult...
I don't know how you got to that conclusion, but I'm too tired to care tonight, especially having written a response to this once already and lost it when my battery died.Thanks !
You're welcome.Seriously I never heard the word in my life.
I doubt that.I live in Miami in a more "urban" environment.
Born and raised in Missouri and living in Tennessee. Y'all and reckon are regular parts of my spoken vocabular. Urban Miami is cosmopolitan AF compared to my background.Dont assume all guys that collect toy robots speak college jargon.
1) It's not "college jargon", it's the go-to insult for insecure anti-intellectuals everytime they feel threatened because they think they're being assaulted by the opinions of a college-educated millennial.
2) There are dictionaries on the internet; I shouldn't need to worry about using small words.I notice you didnt have a reason why Chevrolet and GM was picked as the main car company for the movie, instead of say, Toyota.
GM was failing when the first movie was made, and desperate for marketing. Since then, a lot of the GM bots have been killed off and replaced with other makes.
And while Toyota is Japanese owned, most of its cars are manufactured in the U.S., but repping a Japanese brand in a movie marketed to Chinese audiences is probably dodgy.I cant tell you for sure if other countries are super obsessed with American culture. They might be. But thats not a reason to suggest that an American director who films an English movie that features mostly American culture is targeting "overseas" audiences.
I think the international box office numbers and the last half of Age of Extinction suggest that.So are you suggesting that Americans dont want to watch movies that feature American culture?
I am suggesting that a certain portion of the population has a very narrow concept of what "American culture" is, and tendd to call anyone who wants more than that "elitist", "entitled", etc., because they doggedly rwsent the notion that most of the rest of the country has lost interest in what they like. And I'm suggesting that their interpretation of "American culture" i plays well to foreign audiences because it conforms to the stereotypes they hold about us as a people.
And I am suggesting that's the reason "Wahlburgers" does well in China, and a WWE superstar learned Mandarin - cheap beer, monster trucks, and half-naked soap operas have more potential fans in China than in America.
I couldn't disagree with you more on why you think the Bayverse franchise was made for "overseas" audiences. Its all in your mind. Every movie gets subtitles and shipped out overseas these days. It has nothing to do with who the movie was allegedly made for as your conspiracy theory suggests.
News flash: They eat more Big Macs than we do too ! I suppose that means the founder of Mcdonalds woke up one morning and said let me start a fast food chain because Asians love Hamburgers...
You say Americans don't want American culture in their movies, then what the hell do we want?
And here we go again with that elitist word.... Sheesh. I swear on my fathers grave I never heard that damn word in my life. Does it make you feel professional when you use it? Can you just say snob instead? (It makes you sound just an bit cooler)
Does it make you feel professional when you use it? Can you just say snob instead? (It makes you sound just an bit cooler)
You lost me on the whole college jargon explanation so ill just skip that.
You talk about dictionaries online, but if I didn't know a word exists, why would I look it up just to get on your level? I'm gonna take it back to the old school and ask you what the hell are you talking about?
Caelus wrote:I couldn't disagree with you more on why you think the Bayverse franchise was made for "overseas" audiences. Its all in your mind. Every movie gets subtitles and shipped out overseas these days. It has nothing to do with who the movie was allegedly made for as your conspiracy theory suggests.
I don't believe the Bayverse franchise was initially created for overseas audiences, I believe Age of Extinction reoriented the franchise to pander to Chinese audiences because the movie series hasn't held up well in the United States over the past decade.
Only a limited number of American movies are allowed in Chinese theaters, and their content has to pass scrutiny of the Chinese government. What passes cultural gatekeepers in China (narrow stereotypes of Americans) does not necessarily appeal to the majority of Americans anymore, but with bigger boxoffice potential in China, Paramount has less and less reason to care.News flash: They eat more Big Macs than we do too ! I suppose that means the founder of Mcdonalds woke up one morning and said let me start a fast food chain because Asians love Hamburgers...
No, because those markets weren't avalable to him, and like Bay, I'm sure he started out focused on American profits. Also, food and movies simply not comparable; adjusting a menu to satisfy dietary restrictions in India does not require you to make changes to menus in the U.S.You say Americans don't want American culture in their movies, then what the hell do we want?
NO. For the love of God, this is the last time I'm explaining this.
I believe Americans want American culture in their movies, but I believe for most Americans American culture encompasses more than:
- Cheap beer
- Big Boobs and tight butts
- Big Trucks
- Urination and Flatulence
- Sparkly Explosions
- Comic relief black-guy/voice
- Ubiquitous American flags
And I'm saying American audiences want movies with editing, dialogue, and action sequences that are coherent enough that they don't seem like they've been recut from other movies. And because of that, many audience members abandoned the franchise after #4 (like me) if not before.And here we go again with that elitist word.... Sheesh. I swear on my fathers grave I never heard that damn word in my life. Does it make you feel professional when you use it? Can you just say snob instead? (It makes you sound just an bit cooler)
You mean except for the 397 times the word has been used on these forums since 2007? Including a conversation you were involved in last January?Does it make you feel professional when you use it? Can you just say snob instead? (It makes you sound just an bit cooler)
I used "entitled brat/elitist snob" because those are the labels people get hung with if they faintly criticize Bay movies or anything else that is beloved by that particular demographic of Americans. You, personally have never called me an "elitist"? Okay, but plenty of other people have, and I'm not going to vigilantly edit my posts down to whatever reading level you're pretending to have.You lost me on the whole college jargon explanation so ill just skip that.
YOU'RE THE ONE WHO CALLED IT "COLLEGE JARGON".You talk about dictionaries online, but if I didn't know a word exists, why would I look it up just to get on your level? I'm gonna take it back to the old school and ask you what the hell are you talking about?
Because that's the reason dictionaries exist!!!!!!!!! To look up the meaning of words you don't know, so you don't look like shmuck when you whine and moan because you can't work out the meaning of "elitist" from the root word "elite", or understand the sentiment from the context provided by the redundant use of the words "entitled", "brat", and "snob".
English language dictionaries have been around since 1604!!! They are LITERALLY "old school".
The word "Elitist" has been in use for over 50 years, and its definition is very easy to find and understand: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=elitist
The only communication barrier here is prideful ignorance, a desire to feel superior in a lack of knowledge that is so desperate that you're willing to throw a multipost tantrum over someone using an easily deciphered word, either feigning unfamiliarity with a common English word or the inability to use a freely available dictionary.
I have thus far assumed you to be 'playing stupid' in order to embrace the stereotypes associated with Bay fans, but at this point, being as you have doggedly insulted your own intelligence I'm just going to knuckle under and agree with you - you win; you're an idiot.
I'm just soooo much smarter than you that you just can't possibly understand the "college jargon" I use in my writing. Poor you, so sad, so hopelessly outclassed by those intellectual "snobs" with their seven-letter words.
Stay strong, brother. Without people like you we wouldn't have anyone to advocate for a flat earth.
Rated X wrote:Oh yeah, im kind of sick of you using the word "overseas" to purposely sound unbiased. Every example you have used has been China, China, China (besides John Cenas 2nd language) Stop saying "overseas" to make it sound like youre including Euorpean countries in the mix. Just say it....Asian audiences. Thats what you mean. Thats what culture group your dying to say the Bayverse franchise is targeting. But youre smart enough not to drop a stereotype yourself since youve become the champion against stereotyping typical American cultures. Your a hypocrite. I see right through you.
Call me an idiot if you like. I know I stick out like a sore thumb on this site for not being the stereotypical geeky transformers fan. If you would open up your mind and realize that more than one type of people enjoy Transformers (and Michael Bay films) you wouldnt come at me with obscure dictionary words never used at the typical American dinner table. Were not in some Havard classroom discussing philosophy or humanity. Were on a stinking internet forum and smart phones gave dumb people a one way ticket to invade your little world. I dont consider myself dumb, but if being dumb means not being like you, im good with it.
JazZeke wrote:Rated X wrote:Oh yeah, im kind of sick of you using the word "overseas" to purposely sound unbiased. Every example you have used has been China, China, China (besides John Cenas 2nd language) Stop saying "overseas" to make it sound like youre including Euorpean countries in the mix. Just say it....Asian audiences. Thats what you mean. Thats what culture group your dying to say the Bayverse franchise is targeting. But youre smart enough not to drop a stereotype yourself since youve become the champion against stereotyping typical American cultures. Your a hypocrite. I see right through you.
Oh my god, it's not a stereotype to say that Hollywood has been targetting the Chinese market. They're a huge cash cow right now, it's not a secret, everyone in Hollywood is open about it. Iron Man 3 had a scene shot exclusively for Chinese theaters, with a cameo by a popular Chinese actor. The entire third act of Age of Extinction was set in China for no reason but to pander to the Chinese market because domestic box office tickets were dropping. They even did product placement for goods that were available only in China in that movie. It is not racist to point that out.Call me an idiot if you like. I know I stick out like a sore thumb on this site for not being the stereotypical geeky transformers fan. If you would open up your mind and realize that more than one type of people enjoy Transformers (and Michael Bay films) you wouldnt come at me with obscure dictionary words never used at the typical American dinner table. Were not in some Havard classroom discussing philosophy or humanity. Were on a stinking internet forum and smart phones gave dumb people a one way ticket to invade your little world. I dont consider myself dumb, but if being dumb means not being like you, im good with it.
Are you freaking serious?
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