Metrosuplex wrote:Anyway, please don't take sides on a non-confrontation like this. I realize I'm the minority on this big board of mostly vet's, but if I see something obnoxious like that, I try and speak out for the little guy that gets crushed under "popular" opinion.
Let's clear something up right now. Regardless of whether or not I'm staff, you don't have the right to tell me what I can or cannot do. You don't have the right to tell others what to do. Just because I'm a staff member doesn't mean I can't have an opinion, or voice it. I just have to be more delicate and walk a tight rope in delivering it. Do I agree with shockblast2? Yes and no. (Yes, I find it to be a rather unimportant aspect to complain about. I'm just happy to have the figure. This is a hobby, not life. and on the other hand, No, because I don't see the people airing their complaints as whiners.) Just because I didn't correct him doesn't mean I've chosen his side, or anyone's but my own. And you haven't the right to take that from me or anyone else. Sorry, but no.
Do you have any idea how many times we see a post like shockblast2's? I've lost count. Do you have any idea how many threads have had to be cleaned up because of arguments like that? I've lost count.
Which is why I don't voice my opinion as much as I could and should. Simply because there will always be someone in the crowd who will go out of their way to ruin it for everyone else. For whatever reason they deem necessary. (It isn't necessary.)
I'm all for championing the underdog, I hate mob mentality and seeing people gang up on others, but as far as I can tell (since I haven't read the entire thread, nor do I plan to...) shockblast2 was the only person who made it an issue, and one person does not a mob make. You say it's a non-confrontation, yet you made it such with what you thought was a sly, but in actuality, snarky comment in response to shockblast2. You're making it confrontational with me by the choice of words directed at me in this massive quoted post of yours. I very much have the right to take a side in a confrontation that's aimed at me.
Metrosuplex wrote:Autobot032 wrote:So, you're posting this with the purpose of causing trouble and to provoke. Got it. Thanks for participating.
Not at all, my good chap. You grossly misinterpret my intentions. If you study the line of conversation, someone else actually attacked a group on here for the villainy of complaining about a color hue. (Not to mention the total comment itself did not focus on what you pointed out - it had 3 parts, and only one part complained/"caused trouble").
I haven't grossly misinterpreted anything. I've had a look at some of your other posts and noticed your trademark is a snarky attitude and an "I'm always right" air about you. You're proving that, here, again by telling me what I am or am not doing. (It's not appreciated, btw.)
You think your digs are clever (not only towards me, but towards anyone with a differing opinion), but they are digs and can easily cross the line. Please don't cross that line, more than you already have.
Metrosuplex wrote:Maybe you think that an insult only counts if the insulted party is aware/insulted, but I felt it important to point out the irony: you can't complain about complaining!
It wasn't "trouble-making" so much as a pet peeve of mine. But I do appreciate Seibertron.com's tolerant attitude to dissenting opinions, as I've been censored for saying far more benign things on other boards
Plenty of people have pet peeves and don't address them in the manner such as you did. And judging by the tone of your post, it's not the dissenting opinions that are the problem, it's how you deliver them. You do tend to let your snark out, a lot. That makes people angry, they respond when angry. That makes it provocation and I can tell you enjoy being the provocateur. (Takes one to know one, I've gotten in trouble for it more times than I can count. Difference is, I'm slowly learning to not do that. Slowly being the keyword.)
And don't speak for me. Ever. (Or for anyone else, for that matter.) I see an insult for what it is. An insult is an insult, regardless of whether or not the intended target felt the sting of it/was oblivious to it. Contrary to your belief, that kind of thing does not fly here at Seibertron. We on the staff do take notice of it and step in when necessary. However, we are not machines and cannot be on at all times or see all posts, so it's important for you and all other members to come forward and let us know there's a problem, or going to be a problem.
You are always more than welcome to click on the PM button and send us a message. Just because we don't respond right away doesn't mean we're not taking it seriously. Quite the opposite, in fact. We're looking over the entire situation, on any given situation, and seeing what's the best course of action and how to implement it.
Metrosuplex wrote:People have a right to complain about Skid's color hue, and I sincerely do not appreciate any sly remarks about how ludicrous such complaints are. It's a small skip away from insulting the actual posters (or a rather round-about, possibly passive-aggressive insult, whether meant that way or not). Let's not let excessive, nonconstructive comments (like the one I responded to) run rampant. Say what you want about my comment, I at least tried to explain my motives (a troll does not defend itself except when attacked).
Indeed, they do have a right to complain about his color palette, while others have the right to complain about that kind of complaining. This is the internet, where anonymity and opinions come out in full force. You're going to have to get used to the fact that people have something to say and they're going to say it. It's
HOW they say it, that makes the difference. Is the term "whining" offensive? It can be. Used in the way that it was, most definitely.
Which brings me to this, folks: No more of that. I'm serious. Say your piece without offending. I know you can do it, so please do it. (I can, in fact, tell you to do that.) We are tired of seeing people hurt one another, especially over toys. Please stop.
Now, back to your quote...
You say "I sincerely do not appreciate any sly remarks about how ludicrous such complaints are."
I sincerely do not appreciate that you do the exact same thing with sly remarks full of snark. Not just here, but in other threads. That doesn't help you ingratiate yourself with others. I know, I speak from experience. Don't do what I did. I'm learning from it, you can too.
Then you say "It's a small skip away from insulting the actual posters (or a rather round-about, possibly passive-aggressive insult, whether meant that way or not). Let's not let excessive, nonconstructive comments (like the one I responded to) run rampant. Say what you want about my comment, I at least tried to explain my motives (a troll does not defend itself except when attacked)."
Was shockblast2's post insulting? Yeah. (We do not condone that, btw.) That doesn't mean you should respond in kind. Like I said, use the PM button and let us take care of that. Rise above it, not dig right into it. Throwing words like troll around isn't good either. Because it could be misconstrued that you're applying labels to other board members. And just because one explains themselves doesn't mean they're not capable of trollish behavior. One could say snarky/borderline rude responses are, in fact, trollish. (NOTE: I am not calling you a troll. In fact, I get the feeling that you're applying that label to others. You just don't want to name names. Instead, just don't do it. Period. Using the word troll to make your point wasn't even necessary. You could make your point without using an offensive label.)
Metrosuplex wrote:I believe you're a Mod on here, aren't you, Autobot032? I was hoping you'd take a more neutral reaction to my comment (or even a positive one), but I thank you, nonetheless, for your civil reply.
I do try to be as civil as possible, sometimes I fail. I'm human, we all are. I will not take a neutral (and most definitely not a positive) reaction to the post that started this longwinded conversation. Two wrongs do not make a right. You should've risen above what shockblast2 said, not stoke the fire. Because, sooner or later, someone (not me) is going to come onto this thread and they're going to go right for your comment and it's going to open a very large can of worms. I've seen it too many times before. I want to put a stop to that before it gets out of hand.
Just because we're staff doesn't mean we don't want to enjoy our experience here, too. And sometimes, simply not having to bring the hammer down is the only bit of enjoyment we get.
NOTE: Realize that I am not a perfect Christian, nor do I profess to be. I apologize if anyone's ever offended by me, I'm not perfect. Don't hold my posts and opinions against other Christians.
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Speaking of, where the hell is my classics GEARS? my favorite little grumpy minibot. 
If this were a game system? Or the latest CD from your fave band? THEN is it false advertising? Or do we just side with Wal-Mart in all matters? 
