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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed May 21, 2014 9:53 pm

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Re: Official Age of Extinction Voyagers Drift And Slog Images

Postby Grahf_ » Wed May 21, 2014 9:59 pm

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The Thuggernaut wrote:Me likey! :grin: too bad this guy won't stand on my shelf as drift, gonna have to change his name! And maybe do slight customizations ;)



With a new head, the two-toned blue coloring makes this a decent Rotorstorm. :WRECKERS:
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Wed May 21, 2014 10:02 pm

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That Drift is actually pretty awesome looking. I might have to get that.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Voyagers Drift And Slog Images

Postby The Thuggernaut » Wed May 21, 2014 10:05 pm

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The Thuggernaut wrote:Me likey! :grin: too bad this guy won't stand on my shelf as drift, gonna have to change his name! And maybe do slight customizations ;)



With a new head, the two-toned blue coloring makes this a decent Rotorstorm. :WRECKERS:

Excellent suggestion! I might just do that :WRECKERS:
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby SlyTF1 » Wed May 21, 2014 10:08 pm

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What... the hell? Unless Drift is going to transform into a helicopter at some point in AOE, I don't see the point of that repaint, at all.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby Bumblevivisector » Wed May 21, 2014 10:25 pm

william-james88 wrote:
MGrotusque wrote:Is there a lot going wrong here with Slog or is it just me?

OH, its not just you. I have a lot of problems with the robot mode
Over the past week, I have tried, and tried, and tried to see his arsenal as anything else, but it just ain't possible. Someone has to come out and say it, and it may as well be Skwisgaar:

"Diz Bronchiozaurus's veapons is dildos!"

He's gonna' cause seismic activity alright. In the secondary market price of Kiss Players.

Oh yeah, Driftcopter...looks great. Even with that head, he redeems the notion of gold on a Bayniverse helicopter, after the tragedy that was ROTF Blazemaster.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby welcometothedarksyde » Wed May 21, 2014 10:36 pm

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Is anyone buying that Optimus? Anyone?
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby TimothyR » Wed May 21, 2014 10:56 pm

welcometothedarksyde wrote:Is anyone buying that Optimus? Anyone?


nope.. it'll clog the shelves like platinum magnus has been doing since its release.

does anyone else think an AOE platinum optimus prime would've been the PERFECT opportunity for hasbro to give us takara's version of leader class prime.. with all of the silver paint, the more accurate chest detail.. i bet you more people would be willing to pay $60 for that than they would figure this ugly grey plastic brick.

i just don't understand their mentality when it comes to exclusives.. i wish they'd give us accurately colored versions of figures that they've already screwed up rather than just throwing chrome on them or adding a repainted minicon.. they're losing out on so many sales.

also.. it's a bummer that they simply recycled a mold for drifts helicopter mode.. and STILL PAINTED IT ROYAL BLUE.. i don't understand where they are coming up with royal blue.. it doesn't make any sense.. it's like when they had a hard on for coloring starscream that sandy beige color.. then they got their heads out of their asses and realized he was grey.. it's too bad they don't have the time to do that with drift.. i mean, seriously, is a black figure with light blue highlights really that difficult for them to wrap their heads around?

anyways.. slog looks incredible.. i'm still super happy that he's not just a deluxe.. a voyager long necked dinosaur is incredibly cool. and once they're all repainted to look movie accurate, the movie dinobots are going to look incredible displayed together.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Wed May 21, 2014 11:01 pm

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TimothyR wrote:
welcometothedarksyde wrote:Is anyone buying that Optimus? Anyone?


nope.. it'll clog the shelves like platinum magnus has been doing since its release.

does anyone else think an AOE platinum optimus prime would've been the PERFECT opportunity for hasbro to give us takara's version of leader class prime.. with all of the silver paint, the more accurate chest detail.. i bet you more people would be willing to pay $60 for that than they would figure this ugly grey plastic brick.

i just don't understand their mentality when it comes to exclusives.. i wish they'd give us accurately colored versions of figures that they've already screwed up rather than just throwing chrome on them or adding a repainted minicon.. they're losing out on so many sales.

also.. it's a bummer that they simply recycled a mold for drifts helicopter mode.. and STILL PAINTED IT ROYAL BLUE.. i don't understand where they are coming up with royal blue.. it doesn't make any sense.. it's like when they had a hard on for coloring starscream that sandy beige color.. then they got their heads out of their asses and realized he was grey.. it's too bad they don't have the time to do that with drift.. i mean, seriously, is a black figure with light blue highlights really that difficult for them to wrap their heads around?

anyways.. slog looks incredible.. i'm still super happy that he's not just a deluxe.. a voyager long necked dinosaur is incredibly cool. and once they're all repainted to look movie accurate, the movie dinobots are going to look incredible displayed together.




There is no black on Drift if you look closely

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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Wed May 21, 2014 11:14 pm

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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby RhA » Wed May 21, 2014 11:15 pm

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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby Megatron Wolf » Thu May 22, 2014 12:05 am

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skyhammers a great mold but making it into drift is just odd, but at least the kids will have the opportunity to get a good mold in this line. Sludge looks pretty bad, he looks big he is taking up most of the box space so hes got that going for him but not much else. As for that gray prime hes just more shelf clutter, really dont get the thinking behind this "silver" crap. The dinobots were made colorful to get kids attention, so isnt the silver treatment a step backwards? Would be one thing if it was chrome but its not its just dull plastic with nothing to make you even glance at it.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby Fifo » Thu May 22, 2014 12:28 am

A running theme for me with these new Dinobots is the desire to get rid of all their weaponry. It's ugly and attached in such bizarre and obtrusive ways. Those bits will be bagged up ASAP and never seen again.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby OptimalOptimus2 » Thu May 22, 2014 1:05 am

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What a waste of a Skyhammer. Hopefully Drift is supposed to be the jet Transformer that the folks at CinemaCon described. If not, then this mold should have been used for that jet transformer (Cyclonus) or a non-movie character.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby Bluespindash97 » Thu May 22, 2014 2:03 am

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Drift the helicopter!?!?
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby Grimlock64 » Thu May 22, 2014 3:16 am

Wow, that Drift looks kinda neat! The robot mode reminds me of Sky... Wait... *actually reads article* Huh. A retooled Skyhammer (one of the few good DOTM toys IMO). Hmmm... I'm a bit iffy on repaints, though this one still looks neat.

I want Slog more though. I want ALL the dinobots! (Except Leader Grimlock, I'll settle for Voyager).
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby TimothyR » Thu May 22, 2014 3:30 am

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:
TimothyR wrote:
welcometothedarksyde wrote:Is anyone buying that Optimus? Anyone?


nope.. it'll clog the shelves like platinum magnus has been doing since its release.

does anyone else think an AOE platinum optimus prime would've been the PERFECT opportunity for hasbro to give us takara's version of leader class prime.. with all of the silver paint, the more accurate chest detail.. i bet you more people would be willing to pay $60 for that than they would figure this ugly grey plastic brick.

i just don't understand their mentality when it comes to exclusives.. i wish they'd give us accurately colored versions of figures that they've already screwed up rather than just throwing chrome on them or adding a repainted minicon.. they're losing out on so many sales.

also.. it's a bummer that they simply recycled a mold for drifts helicopter mode.. and STILL PAINTED IT ROYAL BLUE.. i don't understand where they are coming up with royal blue.. it doesn't make any sense.. it's like when they had a hard on for coloring starscream that sandy beige color.. then they got their heads out of their asses and realized he was grey.. it's too bad they don't have the time to do that with drift.. i mean, seriously, is a black figure with light blue highlights really that difficult for them to wrap their heads around?

anyways.. slog looks incredible.. i'm still super happy that he's not just a deluxe.. a voyager long necked dinosaur is incredibly cool. and once they're all repainted to look movie accurate, the movie dinobots are going to look incredible displayed together.




There is no black on Drift if you look closely

but the blue should be darker yes

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i didn't say he was black.. i said he wasn't ROYAL BLUE.. and black is a much closer color than royal blue and it's an easier color for hasbro than a dark blue would be.

plus, it's only dark blue when the sun is shining down on it.. otherwise, it looks like this..

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see.. black would've worked MUCH better.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby TimothyR » Thu May 22, 2014 3:32 am

but we do agree.. royal blue was the wrong choice no matter what.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby craggy » Thu May 22, 2014 3:49 am

well, at least the helicopter Drift will make people's Whirl and Rotorstorm customs easier.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Thu May 22, 2014 4:42 am

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Having a helicopter version of Drift makes so much sense.

I mean really, why not? We've hardly seen him in any of the footage we've seen, but we've seen that awesome shot of Crosshairs and his parachuting skills.

Parachutes operate in the sky ... helicopters operate in the sky ... totally makes sense to use Drift.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby jgilkinson » Thu May 22, 2014 6:48 am

Skyhammer was the only figure I bought from the DotM line and as bad@$$ as he looked originally the blue just doesnt do it. Sludge (cant bring myself to call him Slog) had a lot of potential and I am sure I will pick him up to add to my ever growing dinobot collection but the bot mode is just... meh >:oP
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby shockblast2 » Thu May 22, 2014 7:35 am

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Drift as DOTM Skyhammer?


What the hell? I mean, I knew Hasbro was getting cheap on us, but slapping a coat of paint on some random mold and calling it something it is not is pretty low.


On the other hand, Sludge is AWESOME. Definitely picking it up.
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Re: Official Age of Extinction Products Discussion Thread

Postby shockblast2 » Thu May 22, 2014 7:36 am

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SlyTF1 wrote:What... the hell? Unless Drift is going to transform into a helicopter at some point in AOE, I don't see the point of that repaint, at all.



I see the point.

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