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News Credits: 55 · by **o.supreme** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:35 pm

But a character whose dominant quality is Chaos cannot posses the Matrix of Leadership, therefore they cannot be leader, unless you start changing the rules, which then makes this whole exercise pointless and not worth my time.

News Credits: 6188 · by **Va'al** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:44 pm

o.supreme wrote:But a character whose dominant quality is Chaos cannot posses the Matrix of Leadership, therefore they cannot be leader, unless you start changing the rules, which then makes this whole exercise pointless and not worth my time.

In IDW continuity, both Zeta and Sentinel have been Primes, and we know that the Matrix they held was not the 'true' Matrix. I believe the suggestion of a Chaos leader may bring some interesting narrative developments, actually, though also hoping that they won't re-tread older plotlines (such as, indeed, Zeta and Sentinel, as Optimus is still dealing with all of that as we type).

EDIT: OOOOOH, imagine having Prowl actually obtain full power, as we saw in his vision in Sins of the Wreckers. Or Ironhide, as the Honor candidate, and we go back to exploring Pax Cybertronia. :-?

News Credits: 55 · by **o.supreme** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:53 pm

Dr Va'al wrote:and we know that the Matrix they held was not the 'true' Matrix.

Exactly my point. The contest makes one believe this to be the next *True* leader of Cybertron with the True Matrix of Leadership. If we are going to start making up additional false Matrixi (sp?) or go down the road of duping poor old cons into believing there is a "Decepticon Matrix of leadership" (FFOD), it just seems so pointless. I guess its just me. Some say the status quo is boring, but when most of the new ideas are just so...lame, the status quo looks pretty darn good.

But enough, My apologies if I've squashed anyone's enthusiasm. I'll say no more on the subject, unless I can be objectively optimistic. Have fun voting. 8-)

by **NeoDarwinian** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:01 pm

Chaos for sure, that would make for a much more interesting dynamic. Hopefully the choices include Blitzwing and Carnivac. Come on, Carnivac as a prime? How would that not be fantastic?

Honor sounds like the least interesting, unless Beast Wars Dinobot is an option.

All things considered, the Transformers elections have yielded more rational choices than many recent elections across the world....

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:11 pm

I think it's very much worth noting that this new leader would not be the leader of the Autobots - the article specifically says 'Leader of Cybertron'. So we're essentially choosing whether that leader should be an Autobot, Decepticon or neutral.

I also don't think they'd necessarily have to be chosen by the Matrix. IDW Starscream, G1 cartoon Scourge, G1 cartoon Galvatron and G1 Marvel Thunderwing have all held it without specifically being chosen by them. Starscream in particular is a good example; he touted it to the Decepticons as if he had been chosen by the Matrix - though it actually did nothing for him - to gain leadership. I think a similar idea could be played with here were Chaos to be chosen.

As for the fan-built characters that we've already gotten, they've honestly done fine. Victorion's toy is great and Windblade also got a good toy... eventually. In terms of fiction we of course ignore CW Machinima which was terrible on the whole; in RiD she's pretty fun and likeable when she's not getting scared off a ledge by a squirrel, and in IDW I'd argue she's one of the best female characters Transformers has ever had. And while Victorion's components haven't got much characteristation, well... just like every other friggin' combiner. This is just kind of what happens with them. You can say all you want about how Skyburst and Jumpstream don't have any personality, but what could you tell me about Scavenger or Drag Strip or Skydive without looking at the wiki or toy bios? Only Silverbolt, First Aid, Swindle, Onslaught and Blast Off got any sort of characterisation in fiction if we're being honest (though do excuse me if I am forgetting some sort of characterisation a combiner component got in Marvel). Hell, even as combiners they rarely get any personality beyond really-big-decepticon-that's-dumb-as-bricks or really-big-autobot-that's-a-little-dim-but-saves-the-day.

So... yeah, bring on more fan-built bots. They've been great so far.

News Credits: 439 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:13 pm

o.supreme wrote:But a character whose dominant quality is Chaos cannot posses the Matrix of Leadership, therefore they cannot be leader, unless you start changing the rules, which then makes this whole exercise pointless and not worth my time.

News Credits: 9 · by **Rysquad** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:14 pm

New graphic on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/transformers/p ... permPage=1

Includes Ultra Magnus, Hound Arcee, Shockwave, Megatron, Star Saber, Thunderwing, "Unknown Evil", and Optimus Primal.

News Credits: 1 · by **dbwells** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:15 pm

Prowlimus Prime, baby!

:DANCE:

News Credits: 439 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:17 pm

Rysquad wrote:New graphic on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/transformers/p ... permPage=1

Includes Ultra Magnus, Hound Arcee, Shockwave, Megatron, Star Saber, Thunderwing, "Unknown Evil", and Optimus Primal.

That silhouette of Optimus is from the 2006 Sony DVD release of TFTM (albeit, mirrored backwards).

"Unknown Evil" is Deathsaurus.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:17 pm

STAR SABER?!

Now that's a character I didn't expect to see them promote!

News Credits: 55 · by **o.supreme** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:18 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
o.supreme wrote:But a character whose dominant quality is Chaos cannot posses the Matrix of Leadership, therefore they cannot be leader, unless you start changing the rules, which then makes this whole exercise pointless and not worth my time.

that was furmans creation matrix NOT the Autobot Matrix of Leadership. Galvatron and Scourge both tried to use it, and it turned out very bad for them. heck even Ultra-Magnus wasn't worthy...that should say a lot in itself

News Credits: 439 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:24 pm

o.supreme wrote:that was furmans creation matrix NOT the Autobot Matrix of Leadership.

Sacred talisman of leadership stored within a Prime's chest and used for killing Unicron... it's all the same thing nowadays.

News Credits: 54 · by **Deadput** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:25 pm

But most of these guys have been leaders already maybe not of Cybertron but they have led their armies at one point the only ones that are a new interesting choice for leader is

Hound (Who I'm voting for because he rarely gets spotlight anymore plus Houndimus Prime is bad ass sounding name)

Arcee (although why anyone would vote for her as a leader baffles me regardless of which personality their going to advertise which is either Sweet G1 or angry warrior IDW)

Unknown evil (and that's if he is only either a new guy or someone who has never been a supreme leader and has the proper stats to become one)

News Credits: 439 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:27 pm

Deadput wrote:Unknown evil (and that's if he is only either a new guy or someone who has never been a supreme leader and has the proper stats to become one)

That's Deathsaurus, who is just as much a leader as Star Saber.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:36 pm

Honestly, looking at all of these; they could all be interesting for IDW.

-Hound or Arcee could end up taking over the Autobots/ascending to Primehood after Optimus' recent actions have proven a bit too irresponsible
-Megatron entering a full-on leadership role rather than being a captain would be an extremely interesting way to take his character and change of heart
-It'd be a fun way to introduce Primal to the series
-Star Saber could take control of wherever the Knights of Cybertron ended up as part of what he and Tyrest are doing
-Deathsaurus has already shown to be an interesting character in MTMTE; could full eventual leadership of the Decepticons be his thing?
-I don't think we ever did find out what happened to Thunderwing after Furman's era ended

The only ones I can't think of anything for would be Magnus and Shockwave. And god I don't hope the latter wins; I love him but let him stay dead. Bringing a character back to life after such a significant and world-changing death as that is just... :SICK:

News Credits: 54 · by **Deadput** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:39 pm

Kurona wrote:STAR SABER?!

Now that's a character I didn't expect to see them promote!

Only previous leader worth voting for here since he has never been in an America main toy line.

Who the heck wants Megatron, Ultra Magnus, Thunderwing, Shockwave, Optimus Primal or Arcee to abandon their factions and become a prime?

The probable Prime names would be

Megatron Prime/Megatronus Prime (this would ruin Megatron's character since he is supposed to be opposite of Optimus Prime it's kinda redundant and boring if both leaders of the Autobot/Decepticons were primes.)

Ultra Prime/Ultramus Prime/Magnus Prime ( I feel like Ultra Magnus should stay his own character and not become literately more of a clone of Prime then he already is)

Thunderwing Prime (While somewhat interesting considering his G1 Marvel comics version I don't think anyone would ever consider this guy to be the leader of all Cybertron in a sober state of mind)

Shockwave Prime/Shockonus Prime ( Becoming a Prime would probably hardly interest Shockwave and really who is actually considering voting for an emotionless guy as prime instead of the evil spock we love him as?)

Arceeimus Prime? (What kind of Prime name can you get out of her and when has she ever been a contender for Prime?)

Finally Optimus Primal is the worse problem because both names are already different existing characters Primal Prime is a different person and Optimus Primal changing his name into Optimus Prime speaks for itself.

News Credits: 42 · by **Autobot N** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:40 pm

Thank Primus that Windblade isn't an option. Would have been nice to see Jazz or Grimlock, but, as it happens, I'd probably vote for Shockwave.

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:42 pm

Deadput wrote:Finally Optimus Primal is the worse problem because both names are already different existing characters Primal Prime is a different person and Optimus Primal changing his name into Optimus Prime speaks for itself.

Optimal Optimus Primal Prime

Yeah, bit surprised Windblade isn't an option with how much they push her. I guess they didn't want a character to win a poll twice (which would also explain Pyra Magna not being there)

News Credits: 54 · by **Deadput** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:42 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Deadput wrote:Unknown evil (and that's if he is only either a new guy or someone who has never been a supreme leader and has the proper stats to become one)
That's Deathsaurus, who is just as much a leader as Star Saber.

Ah thanks I did not know that so I'll add him to interesting candidates but honestly Sabr would you actually vote for him to become a Prime?

A PRIME?

The Prime names you can get out of Star Saber are great: Star Prime, Saber Prime (Just needs an Excalibur like sword), Staronus Prime (Sounds better out loud then spelt) and probably some more

News Credits: 54 · by **Deadput** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:45 pm

Kurona wrote:Yeah, bit surprised Windblade isn't an option with how much they push her.

Imagine the anger and uncontrollable rage all those fans would have at Hasbro :twisted:

Would be delicious and probably taste like citrus cherry and blood.

News Credits: 42 · by **Autobot N** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:48 pm

So, after a few minutes of serious deliberation, I have chosen my candidate. Shockwave for Prime 2017!

News Credits: 54 · by **Deadput** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:49 pm

Autobot N wrote:So, after a few minutes of serious deliberation, I have chosen my candidate. Shockwave for Prime 2017!

That sig was quick is there a Hound one out there?

News Credits: 191 · by **Kurona** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:53 pm

It's a hard choice for me. Eliminating the ones I don't think would work or I don't like quite as much, it comes down to Primal or Deathsaurus. Both noble, wise characters I really like and would both be pretty interesting when given a true leadership role rather than over their little group.

News Credits: 42 · by **Autobot N** » Thu Dec 01, 2016 4:57 pm

Deadput wrote:
Autobot N wrote:So, after a few minutes of serious deliberation, I have chosen my candidate. Shockwave for Prime 2017!

That sig was quick is there a Hound one out there?

Just find a random picture of Hound on Google and select a template to edit on this site:
http://www.postermywall.com/index.php/g ... gn-posters