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(It's the Brave Gokin version of the Mospeada Cyclone Bike , who model kit Cykill was a redeco of, with model kit Leader-1 being a redeco of the Legioss Jet)[/quote]

Actually, the monogram CY-KILL model kit was colored off the double sword model Mospeada 10.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:(It's the Brave Gokin version of the Mospeada Cyclone Bike , who model kit Cykill was a redeco of, with model kit Leader-1 being a redeco of the Legioss Jet)

Actually, the monogram CY-KILL model kit was colored off the double sword model Mospeada 10.[/quote]

Oh! I thought they were original additions for the Gobots version.

Ok people, help me out, the only Brave figure I have is King Exkaiser. I bought it because it looked awesome. I did not know who Shadow Maru was until the Hexatron Warrior was revealed. Now I read these posts and I did a little digging and the Brave series looks pretty badass. So, they have figures in common with both Gobots and Transformers. Is there any connection as far as story? Does Brave Max have anything to do with?

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GetRightRobot wrote:Ok people, help me out, the only Brave figure I have is King Exkaiser. I bought it because it looked awesome. I did not know who Shadow Maru was until the Hexatron Warrior was revealed. Now I read these posts and I did a little digging and the Brave series looks pretty badass. So, they have figures in common with both Gobots and Transformers. Is there any connection as far as story? Does Brave Max have anything to do with?

Help me Sabreblade Kenobi, you're my only hope.

Here's a bit of my info regarding the Takara Brave toy line:

FIRST OFF: The same Takara company & designers that created the transformers toy line. also created the Takara brave toy line.

SECOND: It's worth mentioning that the Takara Brave toy line & the japanese Takara Transformers toy line,ran side by side each other in the japan stores from 1990 till 1992. then the transformers toy line got phased out for a a while & the Takara brave toy line took over. the same takara designers thats designed the TF toys also designed the brave toys.

In 1989 the last Succesful sales TF toy line in Japan created by Takara was Called Transformers "Victory". victory had a cartoon series,full blown toy line & ofcause a magazine magna comic.

Directly after Transformers Victory ended. that's when takara transformers japan exclusive toy line & cartoon series was in trouble.

in 1990 Takara created a Transformers "Zone" toy line that only had like 3 big sized toys. like diatulas,sonicbomber & roadfire. the brave toy line got dominated by micromasters & micromasters play sets & micromasters bases. apparently the "zone" pilot was shown to media outlets but no one like it. so this zone pilot episode got included in a TF Zone toy.

WHAT DOES ALL THIS HAVE TO DO with Takara's brave toy lines & cartoons series? All the cancelled transformers toys takara couldn't release to stores under the TF banner/package. got tweaked/remolded either minor or extensive & became some of the Takara Brave toys. some of these cancelled TF toys "That I think became brave toys" is as follows: (1) 1990 Dino-geist which has a 1985 Grimlock t-rex head & neck,the toy looks like a tripple changer 1987 Horrorcon. perhaps 1990 brave dinogeist was meant to be a "Zone" autobot who got revived from the dead & became a Zombie Grimlock. (2)Their is a new mold Takara Brave 7 changer,that doesn't use the 1987 Sixshot mold nor does it use the 1988 Quickswitch toy mold. my guess is this new 7 changer mold was going to be used as either a victory,zone or battle stars transformer toy. (3) Their was suspose to be a battle stars 1991 Rodimus prime fire truck toy that was suspose to combine with starconvoy. since the 1991 battle stars toy line wasn't doing great & had no cartoon series,the rodimus prime fire truck toy got cancelled. years later it got remolded & became a brave toy.

some of the japanese TF toys from victory,zone & battle stars got recolored & some got remolded & they became brave toys. like deathsauras,black zarak,diatulas,sonicbomber,roadfire.

it's worth mentioning that the Takara Brave toy line in Japan was being created & was in stores at the same time as the takara generation 2 & takara beastwars toys were in Japan stores.

At some point in either 1997 or 1998 the Takara brave toy line lost steam in japan. then beastwars in japan became the donimate takara robot toy line.

the takara web diver toy line in japan might have been the result of cancelled brave toys or concept art from Hasbro's trans-tech TF toy line.

Since the takara designers were creating some beastwars toys & some brave toys at the same time. I think the Takara Brave 1997 GaoGaiGar toy might have drawn some inspiration from some beastwars toy designs. as GaoGaiGar has rounded off body part,limbs & is decently poseable.

Rumors have it that the Takara japanese Transformer 1991 Battle stars/return of Convoy toy line concept art,toy catalog art & comic magna art for super & ultra magatron. some of the ultra robot & tank designs got used for the Transformers generation 2 1993 huge green tank megatron toy.

In the 2008 Transformers animated toy line. the takara designers chose to pay tribute/homeage to the 1991 transformers battle stars/return of convoy toy line. by designing the animated earth mode optimus prime like star convoy. then designing animated earth mode megatron slghtly like super megatron from battle stars.

Sadly their was no super nor ultra megatron toy released in the transformers 1991 "Battles stars/return of convoy toy line.

I'm really liking the bot mode here. Hopefully that head is pretty killer.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Just saw the new pics. How many 3rd party Arcees do we need?

It looks ... decent from what little I can tell. Since I already have Valkie (can't spell that) and Delicate Warrior, I'm not too keen on yet another version of Arcee.

I have Delicate warrior, and it is a great representation of G1 Arcee, I wouldn't mind a slightly tougher looking fembot. Something that could go with the other 3rd party stuff more... fluidly.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Just saw the new pics. How many 3rd party Arcees do we need?

It looks ... decent from what little I can tell. Since I already have Valkie (can't spell that) and Delicate Warrior, I'm not too keen on yet another version of Arcee.

I'm happy with my animated arcee deluxe toy,I paid $12 for at retail.

I don't like the arcee character/designs enough to spend over $60 on a 3rd party arcee toy.

I'd rather wait it out & wait for another liscensed hasbro/takara arcee toy. that I pay retail prices for.

Animated Arcee does look really well with the other Animated figures.

I'd still like to pick up Delicate Warrior at some point but I'll def be supporting PE with this release.

i like my delicate warrior for arcee, but maybe we can get some repaints into chromia and moonracer? maybe Elita-1?

Astronopolis wrote:i like my delicate warrior for arcee, but maybe we can get some repaints into chromia and moonracer? maybe Elita-1?

I would love to have an Elita - 1! The Energon repaint wasn't altered enough (for me). Overall, I really like this warrior/motorcycle vibe. Looking forward to full color reveal. Unless they REALLY screw the paint up, I'm preordering!

Third-party toy makers PerfectEffect have tweeted a couple of unblurred prototype images of the their upcoming Arcee homage figure. The figure has a motorcycle alt mode reminiscent of Energon Arcee and appears to come with a large sniper style rifle. Images from their twitter account mirrored below.

UPDATE: Added additional images revealing the face.

Gundam this just keeps getting better and better. It has a total Cyclone look to it and that is not bad at all! IMHO this bot mode doesn't really capture that Arcee-ish look and style but that is nothing to sneer at! This could so pass for someone else like Elita 1 perhaps.

This is a definite buy fans and I will add it to the fold...'nuff said!!

I'm not seeing an Arcee in this. The head doesn't look right, but the shot really isn't all that focussed on the head is it?

I'll probably get it and depending on colour will call it by another fembot's name.

Do we really need another Arcee bike that costs three times more than the others and won't be in scale with anything?

I dig it, but... it doesn't look feminine enough to make me think of Arcee. So far i'm in the 'pass' catergory. Considering I still need a 3rd party Devastator, Insections, sharkticons, etc., this is sorta unimportant.

Looks great but we still can't see the head that well. I'm hoping for Junkion colors on this lady as a repaint.

I ran across a clear image of the face over at TFW2005. You can check it out here:
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... ks-28.html
I'm really liking what I see. The head doesn't scream "Arcee" to me but it's a great looking sculpt. I think Flareup and female Junkion would look amazing here.

Flux Convoy wrote:I ran across a clear image of the face over at TFW2005. You can check it out here:
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... ks-28.html
I'm really liking what I see. The head doesn't scream "Arcee" to me but it's a great looking sculpt. I think Flareup and female Junkion would look amazing here.

I am so in. I'm excited to see PE work on a larger scale. IMO, regardless of being "Arcee" or not, this one will nail being a fun transformer. These picks do a lot for me. For all she works with the PE warriors, the scale is delicious. Also, I'm not having a problem seeing her design as feminine. I do believe, she has a deliberately cinched in waist and the face does it for me. The helmet it is a bit much though, is that due to transformation? Still if PE could put a clean face on their scouting force, I've got now worries she'll be fine.

Requiem Prime wrote:I am so in. I'm excited to see PE work on a larger scale.

Me too. Their smaller stuff never interested me until they did Scout Force X (Reflector). Those are amazing little guys. One of my favorite purchases, possibly ever. So I'm really pretty excited for this.

i already have delicate warrior, so im not chomping at the bit for an arcee, but its looking promising. its kind of hard to tell its a female though, just kinda looks like a skinny bot. some paint will probably help in that area though.

the only thing that would turn me off is plastic quality. PE is improving with every release, but still not quite FP grade yet.

Mykltron wrote:Do we really need another Arcee bike that costs three times more than the others and won't be in scale with anything?

Trust me, this one's taller than Energon Arcee, PE Arcee comes to Wreck-Gar's chin, Energon Arcee probably doesn't even reach his chest.

Looks good, but I'm still hoping it won't be an Arcee homage. Plus, judging from the size, it looks like it will be almost deluxe-size, which means it will probably be expensive, considering how they price the Shadow Warriors and the Scouting Force........show me some color, then I may bite....

WTF?! It was bad enough that Hasbro seems to have mostly forgotten that Arcee was ever a car and mainly makes her as a motorcycle, but now 3rd party companies have given in too? Not that I care, since I don't get 3rd party things, but it still baffles me.