partholon wrote:i'd just like to echo the comments about how stupid non combining combiners are. what ever suit came up with that idea deserves to be sacked.
still at least im jazzed to see how this guy and the others wil look on the big screen
Warbreaker wrote:partholon wrote:i'd just like to echo the comments about how stupid non combining combiners are. what ever suit came up with that idea deserves to be sacked.
still at least im jazzed to see how this guy and the others wil look on the big screen
Perhaps it was partially influenced by a "Lets make all the money we can by splitting the Constructicons in two sets" thought coming from some guy high up in Hasbro (in that case that guy really deserves the boot), but has anybody in the "non combining combiners suck" group (which I might add, spontaneously appeared due to released info and pics) spent a good amount of time thinking of the 'compromising' factor?
We all know that a gimmick in the Devastator toy is his turbine suck-you-all-in maw of doom, with Mixmaster's alt-mode barrel becoming said maw, so the way I see it, how can Mixmaster's robo-bits, stuck in that chamber be massaged outwards to create a sizeable hole as well as to give the semblance of grinder belts lining Devastator's mouth without having to expand the barrel in some sort of way, should the constructicons have been made in 1 set rather than being split in two?
What about cramming the circuitry and mechanism necessary for Devastator's "eyes light up and mouth expands" gimmick all in that voyager-sized frame (admit it, Hasbro just loves finding ways to cram electronics in big TFs)? If that were to happen, surely Mixmaster would be HORRIBLY compromised in ALL 3 modes should he still maintain his price-point at the voyager class. This would take some heckuva prodigy to come by and design movieverse constructicons that have robot and combiner modes, AND pass it all off as a toy that the general fandom would find as decent at best. There is such a thing as having too many panels to move, as well as small fragile parts (Just look at Masterpiece Megatron).
Lastly, if said combiner Mixmaster was indeed released as a voyager with all features, all other Constructicons will have to be in scale with him to form Devastator, which would result in an underwhelmingly small combiner (given the movie incarnation of Devastator complete with gorilla-esque proportions). The only way to fix this in order to make a big Devastator(as well as to provide more space for all mechanisms in current size class) is to have all constructicons increase up 1 size-class, voyager to supreme and deluxe to voyager, which as a result all 6 Constructicons would be extremely expensive for both Hasbro to produce and collectors/parents to buy.
So yes, that's my thoughts that it's better to have two sets of Constructicons with minimized compromise, instead of scenarios of 'shambling kibble-strewn-everywhere-mess that almost everybody would surely boycott upon first sight' or 'an excellent-looking and massive combiner whose total price tag on all component members would scare off parents whose kids make up the majority of Hasbro's profits, not fans, unfortunately'. To put it optimistically, people who buy both sets wouldn't be torn between posing the group as Devastator or as all 6 seperated constructicons, not when they have both of them already!
And yes, I myself can't wait to see the constructicons in action on the silver screen as well!
Warbreaker wrote:has anybody in the "non combining combiners suck" group (which I might add, spontaneously appeared due to released info and pics) spent a good amount of time thinking of the 'compromising' factor?
Counterpunch wrote:‘It’s too hard and the engineering won’t work’
…and we’ll never get a Soundwave reissue
…and Classics is a dead line
…and we’ll never see other releases of BotCon toys
…and running changes will correct Armada HotShot, Universe Ironhide, etc…
Caelus wrote:There's a huge difference between reversing corporate financial decisions and overcoming the realistic limitations binding Hasbro's engineers.
As the man said:
"I cannot break the laws of physics captain!"
If you shrank it down to the size of RID Landfill it might work, as the decreased mass would resolve most of the problems, but then many people would be upset that he was the same size as Optimus.
Counterpunch wrote:I don't believe there is enough plastic involved in 2 voyagers and 4 deluxe toys that the engineering can not be overcome.
G1 Predaking is a huge toy with significant weight (die-cast metal) to it. Though the combination scheme is simple, there are no structural issues with the limbs falling off or with Razorclaw breaking down over time.
Counterpunch wrote:There’s no good reason to not have engineered a 3 mode combiner. They’ve managed to do it for years. While the G1 combiners were simplistic, Beast Wars and RiD both had complex combiners with significant size to them.
Now we have big budget, Hollywood backing, and more attention/capital than ever…and we can’t have a well-engineered three-mode combiner?
‘It’s too hard and the engineering won’t work’
…and we’ll never get a Soundwave reissue
…and Classics is a dead line
…and we’ll never see other releases of BotCon toys
…and running changes will correct Armada HotShot, Universe Ironhide, etc…
Technically weird wrote:How could anyone like this? It's fugly, and its colors suck.
NotEnoughKibble wrote:Especially when the flippin' bot modes for the non-combining constructicons SUCK SO BAD and have awkward, unrealistic, kibbletastic bodies!
NotEnoughKibble wrote:It's not like these things are geniusly engineered, full of articulation, and insanely limited with their options to keep them "realistic" and the bot modes would just be way too compromised.
NotEnoughKibble wrote:Yeah...wouldn't wanna compromise the retarded unicycle or have even more kibble hanging off the cement truck backpack! That it woulda been too difficult to pull off or too cost prohibitive is the biggest load…
Warbreaker wrote:look carefully at the pictures of Mixmaster, and tell me if he doesn't seem to be 'full of articulation'
Caelus wrote:Warbreaker wrote:look carefully at the pictures of Mixmaster, and tell me if he doesn't seem to be 'full of articulation'
Yeah, I wish I had that many joints in my arms.
NotEnoughKibble wrote:Warbreaker, you’ve apparently missed the point completely. The point was that we’re not exactly talking about finding a way to combine the Masterpiece figures here. We’re talking about a combiner with distinguishable construction vehicle limbs (aka that don’t look to require a whole lot of altering to form its corresponding body part) and crappy individual bot modes. In other words you ALREADY had built in compromises to make it doable! And that they’re unrealistic (sorry, without standard bodies would have better stated my intent,) full of kibble, and without standard limb articulation weren’t necessarily the reasons the individual bot modes suck so bad (though in some case it surely contributed!) but rather were more examples as to why they had A LOT of wiggle room to make it work. Hope that’s more clear this time…
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