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To me, paying tribute to G1, can do it by designing the robots more closely to their G1 counterparts. Good example is Optimus Prime, Jazz. I think the 2 bots are pretty good, update to live action movie requirements yet don't deviate too much from the original.
They can do it, just whether want to do it or not....

NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:look, as a moviemaker, Michael Bay sucks.
Sure he makes lots of money. Blockbusters. But the movie itself? Forgotten in a year. Except maybe The Rock.
...
He basically ruined Transformers. Sure it sell merch. But will a whole generation fall in love with it, like the old TF? No.

Pretty out of touch with the world aren't you?

I talk to a lot of non-TF fans (and when I say non-TF fans i'm talking people who don't collect and follow like you and I) and they very much remember the first movie and are very much looking forward to the next one.

And as for a whole generation falling in love with it? Well my 3 year old nephew certaintly did and considering how well the toys are selling i'm betting he's not the only child who's fallen in love with TF's.

And it looks like ROTF is more of the same tripe. Unfortunately. At least it leaves room for a real reboot, like Batman. Its not that I expect that level of film making, just someone see potential for a memorable movie AND make it their own.

Reboot reboot reboot wah wah wah.

This franchise has constantly been "rebooted". Don't like the movie-verse? Then go watch some of the other TF series out there! It's not like you're limited for choices!

ya sorta are limited with how Hasbro runs things and what they cancel and emphasize on and allow to continue.

The real deal is that if a director catered to the hardcore fanbase, there wouldn't be a second film-and to some, that is ok. People would have passed on the whole idea of even trying to make the first film if there wasn't a really great chance to make a huge profit. As stated by numerous people, if you don't like the Movieverse then go and find another TF universe that suits. Too many people are just going crazy with rage over these movies, but why not gripe about how cheesy the Energon series is? Or the Animated? There isn't a TF line or series without fault, and Michael Bay hasn't run the franchise into the ground. My god, before the 07 movie came out "Transformers" was starting wither and crumble. The 07 movie freaking revitalized the franchise and kept it from going the way of the Dodo bird. Now people who never gave a second thought to this stuff (that we all have liked for a long time) suddenly know who Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are. I mean come on guys, give the **** a rest. Opinions are ok. But a lot of people seem to think this crap is fact. It's a damn movie. Big deal. Jesus.

Megatron Wolf wrote:Son of a bitch. well all there is to do now is hope the movie tanks so he gets fired. It wont happen since all summer movie drones will be feeding the fire that is this crap franchise with their money completely screwing us over once again.

Irritation Understood.

NewFoundStarscreamLuv wrote:He basically ruined Transformers.

Right, because that's never happened before. [/sarcasm] At least this time we gained a ton of fans instead of losing them.

Methinks you treat your own opinion as fact.

No matter what happens Transformers always gets fans no matter what new thing they come out with for them.

Prime Riblet wrote:The real deal is that if a director catered to the hardcore fanbase, there wouldn't be a second film-and to some, that is ok. People would have passed on the whole idea of even trying to make the first film if there wasn't a really great chance to make a huge profit. As stated by numerous people, if you don't like the Movieverse then go and find another TF universe that suits. Too many people are just going crazy with rage over these movies, but why not gripe about how cheesy the Energon series is? Or the Animated? There isn't a TF line or series without fault, and Michael Bay hasn't run the franchise into the ground. My god, before the 07 movie came out "Transformers" was starting wither and crumble. The 07 movie freaking revitalized the franchise and kept it from going the way of the Dodo bird. Now people who never gave a second thought to this stuff (that we all have liked for a long time) suddenly know who Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are. I mean come on guys, give the **** a rest. Opinions are ok. But a lot of people seem to think this crap is fact. It's a damn movie. Big deal. Jesus.

I mean is this what it really comes down to? Are we that simple and pedestrian of a people to think if you make a movie based on something that just caters to the lowest common denominator it should be praised if not simply ignored...Any incarnation by the big studious was gonna have some cool CGI and transforming effects (This is for people who somehow still think Micheal Bay created the “Make Money Action Movie Genre”…TF sells itself and never need Bay to legitimize it (Again for people who think Bay is the only director in history to make a movie with explosions—I think people really believe this)…Ofcourse a movie with a good script to go along with good action couldn’t have revitalized a franchise the way Bay did? Yeah that’s sarcasm…Who’s thinking crap is fact now?

Some people (Including Bay with every preemptive strike against movies with a brain) thinks that hardcores or loyalist, or whomever wanted this Oscar-worthy story that would envelope our hearts and minds for years to come rather than what we really wanted, which was: A movie adaptation beyond generic bull$hit…Argue what you will but Bay movies are the breathing ground for the most vacuous generalities in all of the profession…So excuse us if some of us who were aware of this had to object if not voice our opinions on this the only way most of us knew how…As much as his movies sucked I never really had a gripe against the dude until he picked up source material that I truly cared for…Then his attitude towards the fanbase and TF fans in general pretty much validated my loathing of the man…But why be angry or upset with this to the point of voicing an opinion, right?

So you got what you wanted man – A mediocre TF franchise with Baymorphing Mountain Dew machines to boot...I didn’t get what I wanted, so as my frustration grows @ yet another round of ape-food getting shoved down my throat, I choose to voice an opinion… So honestly you should be the one giving this $hit a rest…You’ve won…We frustrated TF fans know that all we’ll get is a couple of weeks or months to verbalize our frustration on the internet then we’ll be forgotten again and a 3rd version of this $hit will come out….With that being said, one man’s crazy is another man’s sanity…When I hear or don’t hear certain things when it comes to accepting this franchise, I think about how sane I really must be…

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Thats all I have to say about the prior post.

Lol I don't see what the fuss is.
If you're an unfairly G1-biased old git like me then you'll obviously think everything that isn't G1 is not as good as G1. Like me.

But you've gotta see that simpler plotline, extreme deviations from G1 so that it makes senses to newcomers and Megan Fox's torso (lol) are essential to bring in the cash, otherwise it'd only be successful with people who are already fans. Bear in mind it's a stand-alone movie without two seasons worth of cartoon to bulk up the plot and cast.

But come on, if they made a G1 based film or even a G1 film, they'd have RUINED TRANSFORMERS FOREVER and you know it would have, so stop complaining and start being a Elitist G1 Nubcake and tell your non-G1 friends how much non-G1 sucks.

Me, i'm still waiting for them to make a real life version of the disco from Auto-bop and then i'll criticise that more.

wingdarkness wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:The real deal is that if a director catered to the hardcore fanbase, there wouldn't be a second film-and to some, that is ok. People would have passed on the whole idea of even trying to make the first film if there wasn't a really great chance to make a huge profit. As stated by numerous people, if you don't like the Movieverse then go and find another TF universe that suits. Too many people are just going crazy with rage over these movies, but why not gripe about how cheesy the Energon series is? Or the Animated? There isn't a TF line or series without fault, and Michael Bay hasn't run the franchise into the ground. My god, before the 07 movie came out "Transformers" was starting wither and crumble. The 07 movie freaking revitalized the franchise and kept it from going the way of the Dodo bird. Now people who never gave a second thought to this stuff (that we all have liked for a long time) suddenly know who Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are. I mean come on guys, give the **** a rest. Opinions are ok. But a lot of people seem to think this crap is fact. It's a damn movie. Big deal. Jesus.

I mean is this what it really comes down to? Are we that simple and pedestrian of a people to think if you make a movie based on something that just caters to the lowest common denominator it should be praised if not simply ignored...Any incarnation by the big studious was gonna have some cool CGI and transforming effects (This is for people who somehow still think Micheal Bay created the “Make Money Action Movie Genre”…TF sells itself and never need Bay to legitimize it (Again for people who think Bay is the only director in history to make a movie with explosions—I think people really believe this)…Ofcourse a movie with a good script to go along with good action couldn’t have revitalized a franchise the way Bay did? Yeah that’s sarcasm…Who’s thinking crap is fact now?

Some people (Including Bay with every preemptive strike against movies with a brain) thinks that hardcores or loyalist, or whomever wanted this Oscar-worthy story that would envelope our hearts and minds for years to come rather than what we really wanted, which was: A movie adaptation beyond generic bull$hit…Argue what you will but Bay movies are the breathing ground for the most vacuous generalities in all of the profession…So excuse us if some of us who were aware of this had to object if not voice our opinions on this the only way most of us knew how…As much as his movies sucked I never really had a gripe against the dude until he picked up source material that I truly cared for…Then his attitude towards the fanbase and TF fans in general pretty much validated my loathing of the man…But why be angry or upset with this to the point of voicing an opinion, right?

So you got what you wanted man – A mediocre TF franchise with Baymorphing Mountain Dew machines to boot...I didn’t get what I wanted, so as my frustration grows @ yet another round of ape-food getting shoved down my throat, I choose to voice an opinion… So honestly you should be the one giving this $hit a rest…You’ve won…We frustrated TF fans know that all we’ll get is a couple of weeks or months to verbalize our frustration on the internet then we’ll be forgotten again and a 3rd version of this $hit will come out….With that being said, one man’s crazy is another man’s sanity…When I hear or don’t hear certain things when it comes to accepting this franchise, I think about how sane I really must be…

I don't think I could have said it better myself.

If you don't like it, then DO NOT WATCH IT! If it is so bad, then do whatever it is people have to do to be a director, producer, screenwriter, Hasbro executive, toy designer, cgi designer etc. These people busted their asses (for the most part) to do what they wanted in life and have an impact on the things they wanted to impact. The opportunity is there, so start busting some ass and get it done. But if people want to sit around and whine about the movies or criticize the people watching them, then just be prepared to have a few people consider your opinions to be less relevant than what they could be.

I'm assuming that if Michael Bay isnt coming back for the third film then he will possibly serve as the film's producer or something, I am just wondering if the director of the third film will take the explosive approach that Bay always does to his films.

Skullgrin140 wrote:I'm assuming that if Michael Bay isnt coming back for the third film then he will possibly serve as the film's producer or something, I am just wondering if the director of the third film will take the explosive approach that Bay always does to his films.

He already stated he wasnt leaving.


But he is taking a year off from the franchise.

Prime Riblet wrote:If you don't like it, then DO NOT WATCH IT! If it is so bad, then do whatever it is people have to do to be a director, producer, screenwriter, Hasbro executive, toy designer, cgi designer etc. These people busted their asses (for the most part) to do what they wanted in life and have an impact on the things they wanted to impact. The opportunity is there, so start busting some ass and get it done. But if people want to sit around and whine about the movies or criticize the people watching them, then just be prepared to have a few people consider your opinions to be less relevant than what they could be.

I don't object to what you just said, but when you watch so many remakes totally unfaithful to the source material, watch so many TV shows or dramas get axed because they are too smart or too niche appeal, you kinda get smothered by the lowest common denominator of viewers (Bay's life-blood)...

(Like many here) I love TF, and maybe it's sad or whatever but sometimes I do have this irrational idealism in my head when it comes to certain things, but as soon as Mike Bay's name got attached to it, I knew that idealism had no chance...And he proved me right ever step of the way from beginning to end...

As for the rest of your points, you also have to realize that the internet communities of today, the Twitter's, the Facebook's, etc. were created as a vehicle for people who don't necessarily have access to these things to have an opportunity (If not a glorified illusion) to make a difference...To have their voices heard...Hell even if it's just keyboard therapy, that's another reason these communities exist... It's the society we live in today and by that same measure I've got as much right to voice my frustration as you have to want and dispel it...The fact that both sides have tangible passion here doesn't hurt the debate one bit to me...

I actually agree with everything you just wrote. I am just as idealistic in my vision of what a perfect Transformer Universe would be, and I don't want to be a total advocate for everything that Michael Bay is doing or has done in the past. Most of his movies are not what I would consider worthy of acclaim and so many other people in the world of cinema could have done a far better job telling the story of Transformers. Bay absolutely aims for the lowest common denominator is his films, and most if not all of us at this site would have loved for someone who really does care about the TF franchise to be at the helm of the 07 movie as well as RoTF. It sucks! It really does suck that we can't get something better! Something that really takes in to account the history of Transformers and the Universes that have been created in the past 2.5 decades! It sucks and it is not fair.

However, the fact is that the movies would have been made whether or not the fandom exists or not. The movies were not made for the fandom. The rights to make the movie were sold to the people who would turn it into a money-making machine that would get more people (from the general public) to come in and watch an action movie with their kids so that those kids would turn around and tell mommy and daddy to buy them the merchandise.

I definitely feel a little less that happy about some of the ideas and direction that the Bay-verse has pursued. It isn't all great and amazing, and terrible shortcuts have been made and more wil be made in the future. The things I said before go out to the people who bitch and moan about this subject, but don't have anything constuctive at all to add. It's also to take people seriously when they are so willing to discredit the new movies even if that means that the franchise as a whole would take a giant financial hit if the movies were a flop. It silly to cut off your nose to spite your face. It is sillier when those people start expecting everyone else in the fandom to do the same thng.

I do agree with you though. It isn't a perfect scenario by any stretch of the imagination.

Have you seen today's IMDB poll?
http://www.imdb.com/poll/

A Brian De Palma TF film? Now that would be interesting.

(Peter Berg also but only because he was the star of Shocker)

Michael Bay is not quitting Transformers

Too bad. After seeing ROTF last night, I wish he would.

Steamed_Ham wrote:(Peter Berg also but only because he was the star of Shocker)

nah, Mitch Pillegi was the star, Berg was just along for the ride.

Prime Riblet wrote:I actually agree with everything you just wrote. I am just as idealistic in my vision of what a perfect Transformer Universe would be, and I don't want to be a total advocate for everything that Michael Bay is doing or has done in the past. Most of his movies are not what I would consider worthy of acclaim and so many other people in the world of cinema could have done a far better job telling the story of Transformers. Bay absolutely aims for the lowest common denominator is his films, and most if not all of us at this site would have loved for someone who really does care about the TF franchise to be at the helm of the 07 movie as well as RoTF. It sucks! It really does suck that we can't get something better! Something that really takes in to account the history of Transformers and the Universes that have been created in the past 2.5 decades! It sucks and it is not fair.

But that’s the thing…As serious as I am I’m not even that serious (in-terms of what TF could have been)…Just something GOOD, something better than what we got with a decent screenplay to make all those epic battles have meaning…Still might not have been what I ultimately wanted, but I coulda accepted that…I just almost wanna scratch my brain flesh when people act like there's only 1 bigtime action director in H-wood history or something...Like Bay invented the genre, not LMAO that's so funny...


@Seibertron, could you maybe expand on your opinion…With you being “THE” robotic planet and all^^ I wouldn’t mind hearing what you have to say about it…

wingdarkness wrote:

Burn wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:Son of a bitch. well all there is to do now is hope the movie tanks so he gets fired. It wont happen since all summer movie drones will be feeding the fire that is this crap franchise with their money completely screwing us over once again.

Who is this "us" you refer to?

He's talking about "me"...Me and him = "us"...And "us" are quite dissapointed by Hackeal Bay's most recent mindrape...This guy is a car engine fueled by our hate...He'll always be driving on "E"...

too bad your hate will be over shadowed by the money the film makes-- and how many people will see it and love it. i know a chick who wasn't into transformers till the first movie came out--- and so the film made her curious of the g1 and beastwars she missed out. so yeah...your hate is no match for the love new fans have for the awesome film---ever!

wingdarkness wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:The real deal is that if a director catered to the hardcore fanbase, there wouldn't be a second film-and to some, that is ok. People would have passed on the whole idea of even trying to make the first film if there wasn't a really great chance to make a huge profit. As stated by numerous people, if you don't like the Movieverse then go and find another TF universe that suits. Too many people are just going crazy with rage over these movies, but why not gripe about how cheesy the Energon series is? Or the Animated? There isn't a TF line or series without fault, and Michael Bay hasn't run the franchise into the ground. My god, before the 07 movie came out "Transformers" was starting wither and crumble. The 07 movie freaking revitalized the franchise and kept it from going the way of the Dodo bird. Now people who never gave a second thought to this stuff (that we all have liked for a long time) suddenly know who Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are. I mean come on guys, give the **** a rest. Opinions are ok. But a lot of people seem to think this crap is fact. It's a damn movie. Big deal. Jesus.

I mean is this what it really comes down to? Are we that simple and pedestrian of a people to think if you make a movie based on something that just caters to the lowest common denominator it should be praised if not simply ignored...Any incarnation by the big studious was gonna have some cool CGI and transforming effects (This is for people who somehow still think Micheal Bay created the “Make Money Action Movie Genre”…TF sells itself and never need Bay to legitimize it (Again for people who think Bay is the only director in history to make a movie with explosions—I think people really believe this)…Ofcourse a movie with a good script to go along with good action couldn’t have revitalized a franchise the way Bay did? Yeah that’s sarcasm…Who’s thinking crap is fact now?

Some people (Including Bay with every preemptive strike against movies with a brain) thinks that hardcores or loyalist, or whomever wanted this Oscar-worthy story that would envelope our hearts and minds for years to come rather than what we really wanted, which was: A movie adaptation beyond generic bull$hit…Argue what you will but Bay movies are the breathing ground for the most vacuous generalities in all of the profession…So excuse us if some of us who were aware of this had to object if not voice our opinions on this the only way most of us knew how…As much as his movies sucked I never really had a gripe against the dude until he picked up source material that I truly cared for…Then his attitude towards the fanbase and TF fans in general pretty much validated my loathing of the man…But why be angry or upset with this to the point of voicing an opinion, right?

So you got what you wanted man – A mediocre TF franchise with Baymorphing Mountain Dew machines to boot...I didn’t get what I wanted, so as my frustration grows @ yet another round of ape-food getting shoved down my throat, I choose to voice an opinion… So honestly you should be the one giving this $hit a rest…You’ve won…We frustrated TF fans know that all we’ll get is a couple of weeks or months to verbalize our frustration on the internet then we’ll be forgotten again and a 3rd version of this $hit will come out….With that being said, one man’s crazy is another man’s sanity…When I hear or don’t hear certain things when it comes to accepting this franchise, I think about how sane I really must be…

You make some valid points man. I would suggest that you try to hide your opinion until your post count is higher though. Just FYI. It really sucks how the franchise is being raped the way it is mate. Like me, I think you are apart of the minority when it comes to this major tragedy of events. All we can do now is try to push for an eventual good Transformers movie with TF3. The other movies are done and officially in the books. Nothing the Real fans can do about it. Peace

Terrorsaur_85 wrote:

wingdarkness wrote:

Burn wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:Son of a bitch. well all there is to do now is hope the movie tanks so he gets fired. It wont happen since all summer movie drones will be feeding the fire that is this crap franchise with their money completely screwing us over once again.

Who is this "us" you refer to?

He's talking about "me"...Me and him = "us"...And "us" are quite dissapointed by Hackeal Bay's most recent mindrape...This guy is a car engine fueled by our hate...He'll always be driving on "E"...

too bad your hate will be over shadowed by the money the film makes-- and how many people will see it and love it. i know a chick who wasn't into transformers till the first movie came out--- and so the film made her curious of the g1 and beastwars she missed out. so yeah...your hate is no match for the love new fans have for the awesome film---ever!

Interesting. "new fans" I think I can respect that. I am glad that someone actually identified who some of these people were. Right On to the "new fans" I hope TF3 can be for everyone and not just the "new fans" Peace

Again, I ask you what constitutes a "Real" transformers fan?

Coolyfett wrote:

wingdarkness wrote:

Prime Riblet wrote:The real deal is that if a director catered to the hardcore fanbase, there wouldn't be a second film-and to some, that is ok. People would have passed on the whole idea of even trying to make the first film if there wasn't a really great chance to make a huge profit. As stated by numerous people, if you don't like the Movieverse then go and find another TF universe that suits. Too many people are just going crazy with rage over these movies, but why not gripe about how cheesy the Energon series is? Or the Animated? There isn't a TF line or series without fault, and Michael Bay hasn't run the franchise into the ground. My god, before the 07 movie came out "Transformers" was starting wither and crumble. The 07 movie freaking revitalized the franchise and kept it from going the way of the Dodo bird. Now people who never gave a second thought to this stuff (that we all have liked for a long time) suddenly know who Optimus Prime and Bumblebee are. I mean come on guys, give the **** a rest. Opinions are ok. But a lot of people seem to think this crap is fact. It's a damn movie. Big deal. Jesus.

I mean is this what it really comes down to? Are we that simple and pedestrian of a people to think if you make a movie based on something that just caters to the lowest common denominator it should be praised if not simply ignored...Any incarnation by the big studious was gonna have some cool CGI and transforming effects (This is for people who somehow still think Micheal Bay created the “Make Money Action Movie Genre”…
*SNIPPED 4 space...

You make some valid points man. I would suggest that you try to hide your opinion until your post count is higher though. Just FYI. It really sucks how the franchise is being raped the way it is mate. Like me, I think you are apart of the minority when it comes to this major tragedy of events. All we can do now is try to push for an eventual good Transformers movie with TF3. The other movies are done and officially in the books. Nothing the Real fans can do about it. Peace

Gotta have a high post count to compete huh? lulz...No thanks, I'm glad my power-level seems low because the uppercrust-members will overlook me only to be shocked by how untroll like I really can debate them...We'll get thru this, somehow man...Minority rules!^^

Robinson wrote:#-o

Again, I ask you what constitutes a "Real" transformers fan?

Alright I'll walk the plank...A "Real" fan, is a fan who is soooooo enigmatically bewildered that people who watched the same $hit they did 20 whatever years ago, and think that this current incarnation of TF is actually faithful to that work...It's not right, but that's how most of us "Real" fans feel...We feel like "How can YOU be a real fan and support this $hit..." Again, not right but that's how most of us feel...

Terrorsaur_85 wrote:

wingdarkness wrote:

Burn wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:Son of a bitch. well all there is to do now is hope the movie tanks so he gets fired. It wont happen since all summer movie drones will be feeding the fire that is this crap franchise with their money completely screwing us over once again.

Who is this "us" you refer to?

He's talking about "me"...Me and him = "us"...And "us" are quite dissapointed by Hackeal Bay's most recent mindrape...This guy is a car engine fueled by our hate...He'll always be driving on "E"...

too bad your hate will be over shadowed by the money the film makes-- and how many people will see it and love it. i know a chick who wasn't into transformers till the first movie came out--- and so the film made her curious of the g1 and beastwars she missed out. so yeah...your hate is no match for the love new fans have for the awesome film---ever!

LMAO, My hate for Bay can form VOLTRON ...