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cannonfodder4000 wrote:You're beyond help, the fact that you're allowed to post on this website astounds me.

I post on this website because I collect Transformers like you. The fact that guys like you don't like guys like me is just extra incentive to keep posting.

Rated X wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Device label Blaster is not a working lap top computer. It's a Faux toy designed to homage a lap top that in reality is a, Functional working USB Port box.

My point exactly. At adult collector prices, it should turn into something that actually works. I never said device label Blaster turned into a working laptop. I just said it actually "works" as in it's not just a toy.

Since video game data can be stored in a microchip the size of your fingernail, making this thing actually work isn't really that far off. Maybe not with OG cartridges, but it definitally has enough space to hold the components needed to connect to a real TV and interface.

Which games would you put on there? Convoy no Nazo?

Rated X wrote:Since video game data can be stored in a microchip the size of your fingernail, making this thing actually work isn't really that far off. Maybe not with OG cartridges, but it definitally has enough space to hold the components needed to connect to a real TV and interface.

Since we can make remote controlled cars the size of a Hot Wheels, why don't all Transformers turn into remote controlled cars?

Lucky Logician wrote:

Rated X wrote:Since video game data can be stored in a microchip the size of your fingernail, making this thing actually work isn't really that far off. Maybe not with OG cartridges, but it definitally has enough space to hold the components needed to connect to a real TV and interface.

Since we can make remote controlled cars the size of a Hot Wheels, why don't all Transformers turn into remote controlled cars?

I don't think they all have to, but I can appreciate and enjoy the ones that do that I've bought, they are fun.

Rated X wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Device label Blaster is not a working lap top computer. It's a Faux toy designed to homage a lap top that in reality is a, Functional working USB Port box.

My point exactly. At adult collector prices, it should turn into something that actually works. I never said device label Blaster turned into a working laptop. I just said it actually "works" as in it's not just a toy.

Since video game data can be stored in a microchip the size of your fingernail, making this thing actually work isn't really that far off. Maybe not with OG cartridges, but it definitally has enough space to hold the components needed to connect to a real TV and interface.

Yes, but those chips are exorbitantly expensive. If you want Megatron to work that badly, just strap a USB stick to his arm and call it a day.
Also, keep in mind that this is meant for Japanese collectors. They tend to be a lot more accepting of novelties than American fans, and, unlike some US fans, don't expect every thing HasTak makes to adhere to Walmart-level price points.
I, for one, intend to make my MPs sit on a tiny couch and play this thing, using a Power Up VT6 as a makeshift monitor.

Metro Prime wrote: Also, keep in mind that this is meant for Japanese collectors. They tend to be a lot more accepting of novelties than American fans.

That is so true. If it transforms, they will buy it. They don't care if it transforms into a pen, a baseball cap, or mickey mouse. To each their own, but I'm not into any of this stuff. I just put my comment out there because honestly I think making this figure work wouldn't be impossible or too costly. I'm sure the software wouldn't cost more than an Iphone.

cannonfodder4000 wrote: You're beyond help, the fact that you're allowed to post on this website astounds me.

In agreeance.

Putting working video game electronics in this toy would have forced the toy to be much bigger. Which would have increased the price to the extreme and doomed the sales of this toy. As most buyers either couldn't afford to buy it or their budgets wouldn't allow it.

Rated X wrote:

Metro Prime wrote: Also, keep in mind that this is meant for Japanese collectors. They tend to be a lot more accepting of novelties than American fans.

That is so true. If it transforms, they will buy it. They don't care if it transforms into a pen, a baseball cap, or mickey mouse. To each their own, but I'm not into any of this stuff. I just put my comment out there because honestly I think making this figure work wouldn't be impossible or too costly. I'm sure the software wouldn't cost more than an Iphone.

As said before, getting the hardware (which includes wiring and controller ports and the like) into the figure whilst maintinaing transformability and articulation would be a pain in the arse. And even if they did get that working, if they were going with the "games on a chip" route then they'd have to acquire the licensing to actually include those games, as well as the licensing to replicate the abilities of the hardware. Basically it would cost a fortune. If you went with the "plays carts" route then he'd have to be much bigger and would be even more of a pain to engineer.

And don't even get me started on how you'd make PS1 Prime work.

TLDR: Making PS1 Prime and Mega Drive Megatron actually work as games consoles would be nigh-on impossible to engineer, and would be insanely expensive to license and produce, to the point where it would cost Takara more than they could ever make back from sales.

Fortunately the Japanese fans aren't as unpleasable and nitpicky as we Western fans, so hopefully Takara's hard work will pay off. These look like really good figures, and if I had the money I'd pick them up.

why all the "non-functionality" rage now anyways, and not when these were first solicited? i dont see how its any different that the unwearable ballcap TF's.

shajaki wrote:why all the "non-functionality" rage now anyways, and not when these were first solicited? i dont see how its any different that the unwearable ballcap TF's.

Weren't those wearable by Fort Max?

At this point, the differing viewpoints on these just boil down to the following:

Naysayers: "What is even the point of these?"
Supporters: "Game console Transformers, duh!"
Naysayers: "But they don't even play games!"
Supporters: "They're not supposed to. They're action figures that turn into replicas just like any other Transformers toy. All altmodes are nonworking/nonliving replicas of the real things they resemble. Outside really special cases, that is."
Naysayers: "But then why aren't these part of those special cases?"
Supporters: "A number of reasons. Too expensive to pull off, game licensing politics, budget limitations, not profitable enough to do all that, etc."
Naysayers: "But then they won't appeal to a mainstream audience as much as they would if they could play games!"
Supporters: "They're not supposed to appeal to everyone. These are geared toward a niche market."
Naysayers: "But then they won't be as successful as they would on a mainstream level."
Supporters: "The fact that there are even people who ARE interested in these and DO want them shows that there is enough demand for them to satisfy the market that they're intended for."
Naysayers: "But they could do so much better on a mainstream level."
Supporters: "Theoretically, everything could. There's always room for improvement for all kinds of things. But it's not a matter of whether they could make them better, but if they should. Wisdom vs. knowledge and all that. As we said, there are limitations involved in these kinds of things that they have to take into account and adhere to, otherwise the figures would prove to be more trouble than they're worth."
Naysayers: "Why did they even bother making these?!"
Supporters: "Because it's COOL!"
Naysayers: "That's not a good enough answer!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!"
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!"
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!"
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!"
Etc. etc.

So I take it none of you have bought any incarnation of G1 Megatron, cos what's the point if you can't put a bullet through someone's head with it?

And this was never marketed as being part of DeviceLable, it was always advertised as being part of Takara's new artist toy line. Sure, I said back then that it would be cool if it played actual games, but then again that was just a "it would be cool if" and not a "it should".

Sabrblade wrote:At this point, the differing viewpoints on these just boil down to the following:

Naysayers: "What is even the point of these?"
Supporters: "Game console Transformers, duh!"
Naysayers: "But they don't even play games!"
Supporters: "They're not supposed to. They're action figures that turn into replicas just like any other Transformers toy. All altmodes are nonworking/nonliving replicas of the real things they resemble. Outside really special cases, that is."
Naysayers: "But then why aren't these part of those special cases?"
Supporters: "A number of reasons. Too expensive to pull off, game licensing politics, budget limitations, not profitable enough to do all that, etc."
Naysayers: "But then they won't appeal to a mainstream audience as much as they would if they could play games!"
Supporters: "They're not supposed to appeal to everyone. These are geared toward a niche market."
Naysayers: "But then they won't be as successful as they would on a mainstream level."
Supporters: "The fact that there are even people who ARE interested in these and DO want them shows that there is enough demand for them to satisfy the market that they're intended for."
Naysayers: "But they could do so much better on a mainstream level."
Supporters: "Theoretically, everything could. There's always room for improvement for all kinds of things. But it's not a matter of whether they could make them better, but if they should. Wisdom vs. knowledge and all that. As we said, there are limitations involved in these kinds of things that they have to take into account and adhere to, otherwise the figures would prove to be more trouble than they're worth."
Naysayers: "Why did they even bother making these?!"
Supporters: "Because it's COOL!"
Naysayers: "That's not a good enough answer!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!"
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!"
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!"
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!
Naysayers: "No it's not!"
Supporters: "Yes it is!"
Etc. etc.

I dare you to re-write this skit for the Cap-Bots...

Or even better yet, BAPE MP-10.,,

I just don't get why people complain about scale, paint apps, articulation on a $12 toy, but when somebody asks why an expensive toy geared towards gamers doesn't live up to it's full potential they get crapped all over..

We all pay a lot of money as a part of this hobby, we should be getting fair value. We are not, I'm sorry. Argue fees and licensing all you want, but when people are paying up to $500 for 3rd prty non-transformers I find it completely feasible that scaling these to fit the working electronics in them would not deter people, it would probably entice them.

Genesis was my jam in the day, I loved the games on that system. I can't tell you how many times through I played Phantasy Star IV..
Megatron.. In the top 3 Transformers of all time.. Man this is a great combo.. but it falls short
If we don't stand up and demand better for the value of our monies, we'll continue to get walked on.
So enjoy your non working game systems as I'm sure all of you defending the fact that it underperforms will be buying them.

I'm not gonna lie - this debate perplexes me.

megatronus wrote:I'm not gonna lie - this debate perplexes me.

It's fairly simple, some people are happy with this product, some are arguing that takara should of gone the extra mile and made it a working mega drive (never understood why they changed the name in America). Discharge offers the best argument, talking of value, though I have to say that I agree with everyone else.

I don't really care too much that he's not working. I've got two mega drives in my retro collection I don't need another device to do the same trick. I'm glad quirks like the hatformers, shoeformers and the penformers exist. It's a toy line still, and what's a toy line without a bit of nonsense now and again

OK, everything aside...Right now Real Gear fills out the majority of their armies.
What if they made accessories for each. Like a multitap for Prime and cd or game genie for Megatron. Not having to adhere to US laws they could also make guns..
What acc would you want, and who would these b?

ZeroWolf wrote:

megatronus wrote:I'm not gonna lie - this debate perplexes me.

It's fairly simple, some people are happy with this product, some are arguing that takara should of gone the extra mile and made it a working mega drive (never understood why they changed the name in America). Discharge offers the best argument, talking of value, though I have to say that I agree with everyone else.

I don't really care too much that he's not working. I've got two mega drives in my retro collection I don't need another device to do the same trick. I'm glad quirks like the hatformers, shoeformers and the penformers exist. It's a toy line still, and what's a toy line without a bit of nonsense now and again

No, no, I understand the debate. I just think it's stupid. Or at least, more stupid than the other arguments that happen around here.

megatronus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

megatronus wrote:I'm not gonna lie - this debate perplexes me.

It's fairly simple, some people are happy with this product, some are arguing that takara should of gone the extra mile and made it a working mega drive (never understood why they changed the name in America). Discharge offers the best argument, talking of value, though I have to say that I agree with everyone else.

I don't really care too much that he's not working. I've got two mega drives in my retro collection I don't need another device to do the same trick. I'm glad quirks like the hatformers, shoeformers and the penformers exist. It's a toy line still, and what's a toy line without a bit of nonsense now and again

No, no, I understand the debate. I just think it's stupid. Or at least, more stupid than the other arguments that happen around here.

I know, right. Like once everybody sees it my way, there won't be an argument.

megatronus wrote:No, no, I understand the debate. I just think it's stupid. Or at least, more stupid than the other arguments that happen around here.

megatronus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

megatronus wrote:I'm not gonna lie - this debate perplexes me.

It's fairly simple, some people are happy with this product, some are arguing that takara should of gone the extra mile and made it a working mega drive (never understood why they changed the name in America). Discharge offers the best argument, talking of value, though I have to say that I agree with everyone else.

I don't really care too much that he's not working. I've got two mega drives in my retro collection I don't need another device to do the same trick. I'm glad quirks like the hatformers, shoeformers and the penformers exist. It's a toy line still, and what's a toy line without a bit of nonsense now and again

No, no, I understand the debate. I just think it's stupid. Or at least, more stupid than the other arguments that happen around here.

You make it sound like arguments spring up all the time around here

As much as I hate to semi-derail the debate, I just got my copy of Megadrivetron this evening and I'm experiencing some issues. One, really. How do you get that #{?!! waist joint to collapse fully into alt mode?! His skirts aren't stuck that I'm noticing. It just goes almost all the way and refuses to collapse further

The figure just feels very delicate overall, so I'm afraid to keep trying.

We've seen what the Takara Tomy Mega Drive Megatron looks like in-hand a while back - but had you considered owning it in gold and translucent plastic? Thanks to fellow Seibertronian durroth, we've spotted the item on Famitsu, as part of a Sega promotional campaign. It boils down to purchasing the upcoming Sega 3D Reprint Archives, between 18th December 2014 and 31st January 2015, and filling in an online questionnaire. You may have to be a Japan resident, but you can find out more here. In the meantime, check out the images of the figure below!

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