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Vicalliose wrote:Seriously though. This is like class warfare or something. The people who spent more money to get Hercules think they have the right to laugh and look down upon those who got Giant instead and those who've gotten Giant say that the people who bought Hercules are stupid with money. Look, both sets have their pros and cons, I'm getting the Giant admittedly because it's cheaper (which is a pro) but also because to me the individual robots are just plain better, heck for some people (myself included) the large size of Hercules would even be considered a con. I don't really think it's right to say either is inferior, regardless of price or size, because it's ultimately not only about price but also peoples personal tastes.

Amen!

I'd personally love to have both Giant and Hercules, but money has become a major issue. So I made a couple of lists (guys love lists) and I came to a decision on which set I'd be spending my dosh on. If I find I have some spare money some time I'll snap up the other set. If not, I'll be happy with my decision. This is a true win-win scenario.

No complaints. Nope, not one. Love it.

Sorry folks, I'm a Giant hater.

If you like Giant, good for you. I admittedly like the look more that I'm seeing some nice color shots of the green, but I still think TFC won this one.

1. Integration - Hercules is perfectly integrated. Giant is much messier with the extra parts and all. I hate those little trailer forearms.

2. Elegance - an extension of Integration, Hercules is much smoother in his combined form. And he doesn't have hook genitalia either... or a club foot.

3. Proportions - I don't get people who say Giant is better proportioned. Have you seen his upper arms? They're way off scale. And that head is so small...

So I'm a Herc guy. And I don't dis Giant because I'm jealous, or I'm in too deep with Herc, as some Giant lovers have implied of those in the Herc camp. I just prefer the Hercules' aesthetic, and more easily overlook Hercules' flaws than I do Giant's. Those of you who are looking forward to Giant, I wish you well. Enjoy your toy. I'm sticking with the real giant.

bah! I just don't see why a)liking one product means you must dislike another, or b)why you need to come into a thread for it and only talk about the other one.

I like the look of both, each has pros and cons. I hope to be able to afford Giant, I probably could have bought Hercules, but I felt it was too expensive. If I get Giant, I think I'll like it. If you too have, or are planning to purchase one of these 3rd party sets, I hope you enjoy whatever one you get, and if you get both...well then I hate you and you're a terrible human being Kidding on that last part.

I think if everyone, and I mean everyone agreed one was better than the other, the whole topic would be that much more boring.

Am I the only one who thinks these pics look PS'd?
Don't know how I feel about the white and red caution stripes, but I'll keep waiting until we see video reviews of the green set.

megatronus wrote:Sorry folks, I'm a Giant hater.

Your loss!

If you like Giant, good for you. I admittedly like the look more that I'm seeing some nice color shots of the green, but I still think TFC won this one.

1. Integration - Hercules is perfectly integrated. Giant is much messier with the extra parts and all. I hate those little trailer forearms.

So parts forming for individual bots is okay (Exgraver's Shovel, Dr.Crank's Crane, and Madblender's Drum), but not for the whole combiner? (Also note that Hercules also has the chest wing accessory, so he's just as guilty in that regard)

2. Elegance - an extension of Integration, Hercules is much smoother in his combined form. And he doesn't have hook genitalia either... or a club foot.

Cub foot? Herc looks like he has a worse case of that than Giant!

3. Proportions - I don't get people who say Giant is better proportioned. Have you seen his upper arms? They're way off scale. And that head is so small...

Granted, but with robots proportions have a little give and take. Plus at least Giant can move his shoulders!

So I'm a Herc guy. And I don't dis Giant because I'm jealous, or I'm in too deep with Herc, as some Giant lovers have implied of those in the Herc camp. I just prefer the Hercules' aesthetic, and more easily overlook Hercules' flaws than I do Giant's. Those of you who are looking forward to Giant, I wish you well. Enjoy your toy. I'm sticking with the real giant.

Thanks, I will!
looser

MINDVVIPE wrote:I think if everyone, and I mean everyone agreed one was better than the other, the whole topic would be that much more boring.

Good point!

megatronus wrote:1. Integration - Hercules is perfectly integrated. Giant is much messier with the extra parts and all. I hate those little trailer forearms.

I prefer Herc's arms admittedly. But it's a detriment to the individual figures. This also makes Giant more G1 acurrate for those who care.

megatronus wrote:2. Elegance - an extension of Integration, Hercules is much smoother in his combined form. And he doesn't have hook genitalia either... or a club foot.

I don't really get why hook's hook is down there, I don't think it needs to be or anything. As for the club foot... OK thanks for making me look that up, I nearly lost my dinner, but I really have no idea what you're talking about.

Without treatment, persons afflicted often appear to walk on their ankles, or on the sides of their feet.

Herc fits the bill better with that left foot of his, that's one of the big things that bugs me about Herc in fact.

megatronus wrote:3. Proportions - I don't get people who say Giant is better proportioned. Have you seen his upper arms? They're way off scale. And that head is so small...

Idunno that it's "better" proportioned. It just looks more badass and beefy. More personal aesthetics type-of-thing.

starscream1974 wrote:Holy sweet Cybertron!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would much rather have this in my display case than the yellow version. A MUST HAVE...now to know the packaged price. It would be nice to receive a price break. This will be next to Fansproject Bruticus!!!!!!!!!!!!! I would much rather have this version than Hercules.....and for all you haters!!!!! If you think it's to busy of a figure....forget about it....its the best Devy representation hands down!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hercules is just plain better. I would eventually like to get Giant, but only for my G2 shelf. Honestly In my opinion Giant only has 3 things going for him:

1. In scale with Fansproject combiners.
2. Mixmaster’s superior robot and alt mode.
3. Cool G2 repaint in yellow.

Now for the things that suck about Giant:
1. Hook and Scavengers ugly yellow heads.
2. Shovel and crane parts on the arms instead of their backs is not G1 accurate.
3. Lame “arm becomes trailer” feature.
4. Annoying “Maketoys” decals applied in the package.
5. Long Haul has “wings”.
6. Another opportunity to give us a purple barrel wasted.
7. Devy head clearly visible in Hook’s vehicle mode. WTF ???

And the upcoming TFC and Crazy Devy upgrades tackle all the flaws:
1. Anime accurate Devy head.
2. Treads in proper place in combiner mode.
3. G1 accurate gun.
4. The legendary purple barrel.

Rated X wrote:Now for the things that suck about Giant:
1. Hook and Scavengers ugly yellow heads.
2. Shovel and crane parts on the arms instead of their backs is not G1 accurate.
3. Lame “arm becomes trailer” feature.
4. Annoying “Maketoys” decals applied in the package.
5. Long Haul has “wings”.
6. Another opportunity to give us a purple barrel wasted.
7. Devy head clearly visible in Hook’s vehicle mode. WTF ???

I would normally agree with you about the trailer arms, and the head visibility on hook, but when the end result of the combined mode looks so much better to me, in regards to presence, all those little things don't bother me. The trailer parts aren't really that big of a deal. They could easily be giant purple hands, pretty much the same thing - extra parts that require detachment and reattachment for combined mode. The head on hook just looks like part of the vehicle, and not like you can see the face or anything. The rest is all aesthetic differences that matter to some and less for others. But again, when considering the combined mode, Giant has thick shoulders, and then smaller fore arms. His Torso gradually narrows at is reaches the waist, unlike the sudden change in Hercs. And I've always thought Hercs head was horrid in its silhouette. It seems like a square, with a thin face in the middle.

The trailer arms make jackhammers too. That is so freaking cool. You can actually have the whole crew appear to be working on a site in their bot and alt modes.

This is all just to keep the discussion alive and kicking, haha.

Rated X wrote:Hercules is just plain better. I would eventually like to get Giant, but only for my G2 shelf. Honestly In my opinion Giant only has 3 things going for him:

Yadda, yadda, personal preference, etc.

Rated X wrote:Now for the things that suck about Giant:
1. Hook and Scavengers ugly yellow heads.

Admitted flaw.

Rated X wrote:2. Shovel and crane parts on the arms instead of their backs is not G1 accurate.

Hypocritical strike 1. Pardon the error.

Rated X wrote:3. Lame “arm becomes trailer” feature.

Hypocritical strike 1.

Rated X wrote:4. Annoying “Maketoys” decals applied in the package.

Just looks like a construction company logo to me. Thus making for a better disguise.

Rated X wrote:5. Long Haul has “wings”.

Personal preference. They can probably sit more flush though.

Rated X wrote:6. Another opportunity to give us a purple barrel wasted.

ENOUGH WITH THE DAMN PURPLE BARRELS!!!

Rated X wrote:7. Devy head clearly visible in Hook’s vehicle mode. WTF ???

I cannot see the face, ergo as a passerby I'd have no idea what it is. Besides, the Giant figures look more like real vehicles overall.

Rated X wrote:And the upcoming TFC and Crazy Devy upgrades tackle all the flaws:
1. Anime accurate Devy head.

Personal preference, but would nice to have.

Rated X wrote:2. Treads in proper place in combiner mode.

Hypocritical strike 2.

Rated X wrote:3. G1 accurate gun.

A vast improvement over that mess they give you.

Rated X wrote:4. The legendary purple barrel.

OH MY GOD!!!

You.. could always paint the barrel purple... I'm sure it'd look wierder with it purple though, and destroy the visual balance of the figure.

FEEDING FRENZY!!!!!

I admit that my use of 'club foot' was off... generally I just think of Giant's left foot as too huge.

It comes down to me just liking Herc better. I feel he's more streamlined and integrates ALL the parts (even the chest piece ones) very well into the figures.

I love this discussion. It will never end, as Devy allegiances die hard, and we're all just trying to convince ourselves, not each other, of how much we like our choice. Woo-hoo for self validation!

Heck, at least it keeps me entertained!

Vicalliose wrote:

Rated X wrote:Hercules is just plain better. I would eventually like to get Giant, but only for my G2 shelf. Honestly In my opinion Giant only has 3 things going for him:

Yadda, yadda, personal preference, etc.

Rated X wrote:Now for the things that suck about Giant:
1. Hook and Scavengers ugly yellow heads.

Admitted flaw.

Rated X wrote:2. Shovel and crane parts on the arms instead of their backs is not G1 accurate.

Hypocritical strike 1.

Rated X wrote:3. Lame “arm becomes trailer” feature.

Hypocritical strike 2.

Rated X wrote:4. Annoying “Maketoys” decals applied in the package.

Just looks like a construction company logo to me. Thus making for a better disguise.

Rated X wrote:5. Long Haul has “wings”.

Personal preference. They can probably sit more flush though.

Rated X wrote:6. Another opportunity to give us a purple barrel wasted.

ENOUGH WITH THE DAMN PURPLE BARRELS!!!

Rated X wrote:7. Devy head clearly visible in Hook’s vehicle mode. WTF ???

I cannot see the face, ergo as a passerby I'd have no idea what it is. Besides, the Giant figures look more like real vehicles overall.

Rated X wrote:And the upcoming TFC and Crazy Devy upgrades tackle all the flaws:
1. Anime accurate Devy head.

Personal preference, but would nice to have.

Rated X wrote:2. Treads in proper place in combiner mode.

Hypocritical strike 3.

Rated X wrote:3. G1 accurate gun.

A vast improvement over that mess they give you.

Rated X wrote:4. The legendary purple barrel.

OH MY GOD!!!

Not exactly sure what’s so hypocritical about admitting the truth.

1. G1 versions have the crane and shovels on the backs, not the arms. That is FACT not fiction.

2. The trailer becomes arm feature is lame in my opinion. It is just a pointless excuse to try to justify not throwing them in your parts box when not displaying Devy mode. While my opinion that it’s lame might just be an opinion, you can’t deny the FACTS.

3. The treads are in the proper G1 accurate place on Giant. Once again that is a FACT. The unmodified Hercules “treads to forearms” might be innovative, but not G1 accurate. And even though I was giving Giant points for this, I get a hypocritical strike for stating a FACT ???

As far as the Maketoy stickers, it would be nice if they left them unapplied. This would give you the option of leaving it plain or adding on the inevitable Reprolabels sets while keeping the originals mint.

And the purple Barrel just looks cool. That’s probably why the animated cartoon artists rolled with it throughout the cartoon series. It’s like Maketoys didn’t even bother to go on the forums and read peoples #1 complaint about Hercules. Not smart when theyre trying to go head on with TFC.

MINDVVIPE wrote:You.. could always paint the barrel purple... I'm sure it'd look wierder with it purple though, and destroy the visual balance of the figure.

Sounds like a job for Crazydevy...

Rated X wrote:

MINDVVIPE wrote:You.. could always paint the barrel purple... I'm sure it'd look wierder with it purple though, and destroy the visual balance of the figure.

Sounds like a job for Crazydevy...

With all the crazy integrated guns that it breaks into? Probably cost as much as a whole new figure with a 100+ price tag

Rated X wrote:Not exactly sure what’s so hypocritical about admitting the truth.

1. G1 versions have the crane and shovels on the backs, not the arms. That is FACT not fiction.

Hmmn, that was a bit of an error on my part when typing the previous post. I'm sorry. Still those parts have to be removed and placed back on their bodies when converting to robot mode yes?

Rated X wrote:2. The trailer becomes arm feature is lame in my opinion. It is just a pointless excuse to try to justify not throwing them in your parts box when not displaying Devy mode. While my opinion that it’s lame might just be an opinion, you can’t deny the FACTS.

3. The treads are in the proper G1 accurate place on Giant. Once again that is a FACT. The unmodified Hercules “treads to forearms” might be innovative, but not G1 accurate. And even though I was giving Giant points for this, I get a hypocritical strike for stating a FACT ???

Well yes it's lame combiner kibble and gives us G1 accurate arms. But then you say it's good when TFC gives you an upgrade set which does the exact same thing? It's G1 accurate and if you like G1 accuracy but hate the lame kibble then isn't that a contradiction? Are you really just saying you hate the fact that they put wheels on them to pretend they're generators?

Rated X wrote:As far as the Maketoy stickers, it would be nice if they left them unapplied. This would give you the option of leaving it plain or adding on the inevitable Reprolabels sets while keeping the originals mint.

Uh, they're paint apps not stickers.

Rated X wrote:And the purple Barrel just looks cool. That’s probably why the animated cartoon artists rolled with it throughout the cartoon series. It’s like Maketoys didn’t even bother to go on the forums and read peoples #1 complaint about Hercules. Not smart when theyre trying to go head on with TFC.

For every person who finds the disjointed coloration that is that damned purple barrel to be your #1 complaint, please list your names here, your all going on "The List".

Vicalliose wrote:For every person who finds the disjointed coloration that is that damned purple barrel to be your #1 complaint, please list your names here, your all going on "The List".

Super LOL!

Ok, this argument over which is better is pointless. Both look great to me and I would love to have both on my shelf. I already have a completed Hercules and it looks fantastic. Giant looks great but that is an out of hand opinion. There are also problems with both too but I can overlook them. not sure if I will get the green version since I have Herc but the yellow will most likely end up in my collection.

megatronus wrote:

Vicalliose wrote:For every person who finds the disjointed coloration that is that damned purple barrel to be your #1 complaint, please list your names here, your all going on "The List".

Super LOL!

likewise.

Arguement isn't pointless, it lets people who haven't commit to either have a read and see if the problems stated by either side are enough of a detriment either way.

megatronus wrote:

Vicalliose wrote:For every person who finds the disjointed coloration that is that damned purple barrel to be your #1 complaint, please list your names here, your all going on "The List".

Super LOL!

Five new people so far...

Vicalliose wrote:

Rated X wrote:Not exactly sure what’s so hypocritical about admitting the truth.

1. G1 versions have the crane and shovels on the backs, not the arms. That is FACT not fiction.

Hmmn, that was a bit of an error on my part when typing the previous post. I'm sorry. Still those parts have to be removed and placed back on their bodies when converting to robot mode yes?

Rated X wrote:2. The trailer becomes arm feature is lame in my opinion. It is just a pointless excuse to try to justify not throwing them in your parts box when not displaying Devy mode. While my opinion that it’s lame might just be an opinion, you can’t deny the FACTS.

3. The treads are in the proper G1 accurate place on Giant. Once again that is a FACT. The unmodified Hercules “treads to forearms” might be innovative, but not G1 accurate. And even though I was giving Giant points for this, I get a hypocritical strike for stating a FACT ???

Well yes it's lame combiner kibble and gives us G1 accurate arms. But then you say it's good when TFC gives you an upgrade set which does the exact same thing? It's G1 accurate and if you like G1 accuracy but hate the lame kibble then isn't that a contradiction? Are you really just saying you hate the fact that they put wheels on them to pretend they're generators?

Rated X wrote:As far as the Maketoy stickers, it would be nice if they left them unapplied. This would give you the option of leaving it plain or adding on the inevitable Reprolabels sets while keeping the originals mint.

Uh, they're paint apps not stickers.

Rated X wrote:And the purple Barrel just looks cool. That’s probably why the animated cartoon artists rolled with it throughout the cartoon series. It’s like Maketoys didn’t even bother to go on the forums and read peoples #1 complaint about Hercules. Not smart when theyre trying to go head on with TFC.

For every person who finds the disjointed coloration that is that damned purple barrel to be your #1 complaint, please list your names here, your all going on "The List".

To my knowledge you cannot take the crane or shovel off their arms and put them on their backs. (Maketoy versions) Theyre permantaly attached. But I cant be 100% sure. I dont own them. I own Hercules which you can put them on either place for preference.


Well I guess paint apps are ok. You can cover them.


I didnt need the trailers. I was happy putting the G1 forearms in my parts box. I prefer less gimmicks. On the other hand The new TFC forearms upgrade doesnt become anything else to my knowledge. Theyre sinply add on parts for Devy mode. No gimmicks for alt mode that add unessecary pegs or holes to the alt modes. And TFC made the treads fix in response to fan feedback.

Which leads me to the purple barrel...

Can you honestly say this color combination doesnt look better than all green ???





Put me at the top of your "s**t list". I consider it a badge of honor.

Rated X wrote:To my knowledge you cannot take the crane or shovel off their arms and put them on their backs. (Maketoy versions) Theyre permantaly attached. But I cant be 100% sure. I dont own them. I own Hercules which you can put them on either place for preference.

I was actually referring to Herc's figures. From what I'd gathered they need to be removed when transforming.

Rated X wrote:I didnt need the trailers. I was happy putting the G1 forearms in my parts box. I prefer less gimmicks. On the other hand The new TFC forearms upgrade doesnt become anything else to my knowledge. Theyre sinply add on parts for Devy mode. No gimmicks for alt mode that add unessecary pegs or holes to the alt modes. And TFC made the treads fix in response to fan feedback.

Well, they can simply go in the parts box either way...

Rated X wrote:Which leads me to the purple barrel...

Can you honestly say this color combination doesnt look better than all green ???

Breaks up Mixmaster's alt mode pretty well, but in combined form the lack of purple on the other leg is just weird to me, maybe a purple stripe or two would work better. Either way the complaint is rather petty.

Rated X wrote:Put me at the top of your "s**t list". I consider it a badge of honor.

My "s**t list" is kinda long, I'm just starting a "barrel list" for this one.

craggy wrote:

LiKwid wrote:Hercules points and laughes..... Maketoys version INFERIOR!!!!!!!

please, man, for all our sakes, grow up.

Do us all a favor and get a sense of humor.I guess i didn't get the memo on people can only like one or the other. I plan on getting giant as well but I prefer Hercules beacuse he is like a MP size version of Dev, thats all. So for love all things plastic,lighten up friend

Seriously to all who are to stupid to realise that this thread is about GIANT an not Hercules, stop it right now, the next to bring the Giant vs Hercules debate gets himself a warning.