Rated X wrote:TOO MUCH POLITICS !!!
If you like the character and think the figure would look good in your collection, BUY IT !!!
If you dont like the figure for whatever reason, SAVE YOUR MONEY !!!
Stop worrying about what money another man does or doesnt get in his pocket. I guarantee he isnt worried about your wallet. The world was built on supply and demand. Us collectors demand figures and companies supply them to us.
I support all 3rd party companies for listening to fans and giving them what they want by any means necessary.
alternator77 wrote:while i agree to an extent if you dont want your work copied or stolen then get a patent or trademark for the creative process involved in your creation. oh wait it was an UNOFFICIAL armor add on for an OFFICIAL product. nevermind
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Rated X wrote:TOO MUCH POLITICS !!!
If you like the character and think the figure would look good in your collection, BUY IT !!!
If you dont like the figure for whatever reason, SAVE YOUR MONEY !!!
Stop worrying about what money another man does or doesnt get in his pocket. I guarantee he isnt worried about your wallet. The world was built on supply and demand. Us collectors demand figures and companies supply them to us.
I support all 3rd party companies for listening to fans and giving them what they want by any means necessary.
In other words, you don't really care if your fellow fan is ripped off so long as you get what you want. This isn't political at all.
We haven't actually seen this product so maybe iGear didn't rip it off at all. Wheeljack's custom is a low blow, but in the end both worked off HasTak's own mold to make their creation, so it didn't really bug me too much. 90% of that was HasTak. But this trailer is 100% produced by one dude, made with his own hands.
It's one thing to support 3rd party guys ... I do too. But it's another to see a KO of a fellow fans work and support that. If you don't even care about your fellow TF fans, well ... why come to a forum at all?
Rated X wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:Rated X wrote:TOO MUCH POLITICS !!!
If you like the character and think the figure would look good in your collection, BUY IT !!!
If you dont like the figure for whatever reason, SAVE YOUR MONEY !!!
Stop worrying about what money another man does or doesnt get in his pocket. I guarantee he isnt worried about your wallet. The world was built on supply and demand. Us collectors demand figures and companies supply them to us.
I support all 3rd party companies for listening to fans and giving them what they want by any means necessary.
In other words, you don't really care if your fellow fan is ripped off so long as you get what you want. This isn't political at all.
We haven't actually seen this product so maybe iGear didn't rip it off at all. Wheeljack's custom is a low blow, but in the end both worked off HasTak's own mold to make their creation, so it didn't really bug me too much. 90% of that was HasTak. But this trailer is 100% produced by one dude, made with his own hands.
It's one thing to support 3rd party guys ... I do too. But it's another to see a KO of a fellow fans work and support that. If you don't even care about your fellow TF fans, well ... why come to a forum at all?
Once you cross the fine line between collecting and creating collectibles, you are more than just a fan. You are a visionary. Maybe your vision might be to have this exclusive piece of art so everyone can drool over it and worship you for owning it. However, somebody elses vision is to share a piece of the pie with everyone. You had the oppurtunity to sell the patent to someone with the money and resources to give everyone a chance to appreciate your work, and instead you chose to lock it up in a vault. How many hardcore transformer fans that buy $100+ figures reside in your town ??? Maybe one or two, right ??? Is there really a need for something to be so super exclusive when the next person that even wants one probally lives 500 miles away ??? Put it out there. Let the fans enjoy it. Or are you going to be a greedy fan and hold the figure hostage ???
Its funny how everybody trashes I-Gear for using a fans work without permission, but nobody trashes the fan for using Hasbros character without permission to build a figure in the first place. And if he indeed did sell his prototype to I-Gear, than he just ate off of Hasbro's plate and got a free meal. Wheres all the copyright fanatics coming to defend Hasbro ??? Its all the same s**t. And if the guy who designed the prototype didnt get paid, maybe this will inspire him to start networking with companies when he builds something to make smart business deals and showcase his talent.
I mean no disrespect to anybody on this forum or anybody who kitbashes. This is just my opinion.
Burn wrote:So wait, the customs i've done in the past, the ones where i've taken an old licensed figure and overhauled it and made it into a character of my own creation ... i'm suppose to just lay down and say nothing if someone takes my idea and mass produces it because I didn't trademark/copyright it?
robofreak wrote:Igear, has ripped off 2 kitbashers now that I know of. The Coneheads were developed by another artist and Igear got their hands on it and then produced the molds for them while giving very little support to the guy that made it possible. They didn't even ask his permission.
Burn wrote:So wait, the customs i've done in the past, the ones where i've taken an old licensed figure and overhauled it and made it into a character of my own creation ... i'm suppose to just lay down and say nothing if someone takes my idea and mass produces it because I didn't trademark/copyright it?
Or am I suppose to turn around and mass produce it for others because being a "greedy fan and holding a figure hostage" is wrong?
And here I was thinking there was respect in this fandom. Boy was I majorly wrong there.
robofreak wrote:2. FP makes their own stuff. They do not rip off other designs. Yes, the intended homage is blatant, but they are carfeul to make it their own.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Seibertron wrote:Burn wrote:So wait, the customs i've done in the past, the ones where i've taken an old licensed figure and overhauled it and made it into a character of my own creation ... i'm suppose to just lay down and say nothing if someone takes my idea and mass produces it because I didn't trademark/copyright it?
Or am I suppose to turn around and mass produce it for others because being a "greedy fan and holding a figure hostage" is wrong?
And here I was thinking there was respect in this fandom. Boy was I majorly wrong there.
It's funny how when the 3rd party companies were doing this to Hasbro, the majority clapped their hands and said bring it on. We'll take whatever is awesome!
But now that some 3rd party companies might be ripping off fan creations, some fans are crying FOWL! SHAME! BOO! HISS!
Welcome to Hasbro and Takara Tomy's world, folks.
Burn wrote:Seibertron wrote:Burn wrote:So wait, the customs i've done in the past, the ones where i've taken an old licensed figure and overhauled it and made it into a character of my own creation ... i'm suppose to just lay down and say nothing if someone takes my idea and mass produces it because I didn't trademark/copyright it?
Or am I suppose to turn around and mass produce it for others because being a "greedy fan and holding a figure hostage" is wrong?
And here I was thinking there was respect in this fandom. Boy was I majorly wrong there.
It's funny how when the 3rd party companies were doing this to Hasbro, the majority clapped their hands and said bring it on. We'll take whatever is awesome!
But now that some 3rd party companies might be ripping off fan creations, some fans are crying FOWL! SHAME! BOO! HISS!
Welcome to Hasbro and Takara Tomy's world, folks.
ahhhh but i've always been with Hasbro and TT. Never been a big supporter of third party products.
But to "steal" ideas from other fans and mass produce them, I dunno, that just seems lower than a snake's belly.
alternator77 wrote:scratching my head here
where was this uproar when they announced the coneheads or faith leader?
i dont recall this many posts of people up in arms.
Mykltron wrote:alternator77 wrote:scratching my head here
where was this uproar when they announced the coneheads or faith leader?
i dont recall this many posts of people up in arms.
I remember. There was a load of people saying "this is too close to theft" and "is this going to cause HASTAK to clamp down on 3rd parties. At least I think it was the Faith Leader that started it.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Rated X wrote:Honestly (and I once again mean no disrespect to anybody) some of you guys get a little too sensitive about this. These are freaking toys. These are not blood diamonds from Angola. Nobody was killed or harmed in the making of any of these products. And if the “fan” had no intention of selling the prototype for mass production, then technically he never lost any money. His ego just got a little hurt when reality sunk in and made him realize how much he could have made. But he didn’t realize the potential his creation had. He underestimated himself. He should actually be flattered, that somebody on the other side of the globe liked his work so much that they were willing to invest in bringing it out. There is always a chance that the mass produced product will flop, so he is taking a risk as well. And he is doing it because he sees potential which in a way is a type of homage. It might be a screwed up way to pay homage, but is still paying homage to the original piece.
I have seen many of the works by Burn, Rumble/Frenzy and others. I consider them to be some of the most talented individuals out there. I don’t know what they do for a living, but I wish they would take their talents to the mainstream. Find some rich guy, and convince him to invest in the creation of a new 3rd party company. WE WILL SUPPORT YOU.
As far as the case of one custom figure pictured in an online gallery for people to drool over, we will always look. We will always stare in awe. But if you ever been to a strip club before, you know damn well know that we all get tired of looking. WE WANT TO TOUCH.
It’s pretty hard to touch when the figure is rotting on e-bay for $1000 bucks or sitting in some rich collectors home that we will never visit. And in terms of price, you really cant place a value on something that there is only one of. (I learned that from Pawn Stars) So you might think it is worth $1000 bucks because you created it, but I’m thinking more like $300. Neither of us is right or wrong. There is no Beckett price guide for custom transformers. What you can get for it is what its worth.
But even the creator cant monopolize something forever. China spares nobody. Ask HP about their printer cartridges. Ask Motorolla about their cell-phones. If you don’t put it out first at a fair price, CHINA’S GONNA GET YOU !!!
That’s the nature of the beast. Like I said before, Transformer products should not be compared to Angola blood diamonds. Lighten up guys…
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Seibertron wrote:robofreak wrote:2. FP makes their own stuff. They do not rip off other designs. Yes, the intended homage is blatant, but they are carfeul to make it their own.
Tired of pulling punches so here I go ... this is a fan contrived excuse to make us feel better when we're buying unofficially licensed products from 3rd party companies. Is it a Transformers related product that's not made by Takara Tomy or Hasbro? Then it's not "their own stuff" and it's ripping off Hasbro and Takara Tomy's ideas. It really is that black and white folks. There are no gray areas here other than ones we've made up to justify all of this.
Dead Metal wrote:You like the Marksproject's Ultra Magnus trailer? If so you can order one from him, he does take order you know:
http://www.marksprojects.com/saleitems.htm
Everything on that page is for sale if you like something and have the desire to buy it, place and order and he'll scratch build it for you.
So your point about him just making one and being so selfish as to keeping it for himself is nothing but a steaming pile of crap.
Mkall wrote:Dead Metal wrote:You like the Marksproject's Ultra Magnus trailer? If so you can order one from him, he does take order you know:
http://www.marksprojects.com/saleitems.htm
Everything on that page is for sale if you like something and have the desire to buy it, place and order and he'll scratch build it for you.
So your point about him just making one and being so selfish as to keeping it for himself is nothing but a steaming pile of crap.
Wowee, that is a nice Sky Lynx he's got going on there...
Burn wrote:robofreak doesn't joke. He's all about the serious business of the internet.
ItIsHim wrote:My closet is filled to the brim with plastic children's toys. For myself
Dead Metal wrote:You like the Marksproject's Ultra Magnus trailer? If so you can order one from him, he does take order you know:
http://www.marksprojects.com/saleitems.htm
Everything on that page is for sale if you like something and have the desire to buy it, place and order and he'll scratch build it for you.
So your point about him just making one and being so selfish as to keeping it for himself is nothing but a steaming pile of crap.
alternator77 wrote:am i the only one who likes my magnus all white? hes my official IDW magnus i think he looks fantastic as is.
what i do hope for eventually is a downsized magnus with armor from takara so he is in scale with prime and megatron.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:Hey, he has null rays for Seekers! I didn't know he had that.
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