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Postby E.J.Su » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:44 pm

Wow big thanks Big Grim, a lot of credit goes to Simon, his writing really made me look good. :)
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Postby waaaaghlord » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:01 pm

Congrats on the new addition E J.
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Postby Tigertrack » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:46 pm

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waaaaghlord wrote:Congrats on the new addition E J.


Child, or singing group???

And how do you know this? :???:
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Postby waaaaghlord » Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:53 am

tigertracks 24 wrote:
waaaaghlord wrote:Congrats on the new addition E J.


Child, or singing group???

And how do you know this? :???:


Child. This is why we're getting a filler artist for Dev 3 or 4.
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Postby MaP_Prime » Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:39 pm

Well I think my effort to play catch up with the IDW comics is almost done, I think I'm only missing Spotlight: Soundwave.

Anyway, this is my take on some of the things coming up.

I think it might be a very real possibility that the dead universe might be Unicron or at the very least Unicron related. Assuming IDW goes the same path as the original TF comic series Unicron may not be a giant planet eating robot and may instead being some sort of god like entity. In this case we may be able to assume that Unicron can take different shapes at will, thus the expansion thing might be just a different form of Unicron. Or it could be a door way to a place where Unicron resides, kinda like a TF Hell, and he hangs out there as he prepares to enter a universe to feed, sucking in natives to use as his heralds/army or something.

Now, I've been wondering how the various masters will come into play in Devastation, and right now I think it is obvious that Hunter will become one, more then likely with Sunstreaker. However, it may be possible that if the disembodied head leading the Machination is Scroponok that he may be using Hunter as his own master, or potential slave. Now I have a feeling that Varity and Jimmy will end up as master fo some sort. My reasoning is that given how hard Sixshot hit the Ark their on, also seeing how hard it looks like it's going to crash I think it's a stretch to think they, being squishy humans, are likely to get away without serious injury. Now assuming they don't die in the crash, I think it will be likely one or both will be seriously injured and since the Autobots are all about saving the lives of primitive beings as ourselves they will endevour to save these two humans that they have helped and somewhat befriended.

Now I think what will happen is Vairty and Jimmy will be put into some sort of stasis to keep them alive while the Autobots figure out what to do. Then Hot Rod and Wheeljack will get back (hopefully with Ironhide alive) with maybe a capture Sunstreaker clone who may be a master of some type. Then using this tech they will attempt to save the two humans, of course I expect the two of them not to be happy to wake up to their new situation. But hey, I may be totally out to lunch on this one.

As for the combiners, like someone said above one of the teams that will combine will get word of the tech and try it out. I think it's going to be the technobots myself since the Monstructor guys are being sent off to Jetfire, who is working with the Technobots. Word may get back to them that some heavy fighting is breaking out on Earth and decide out of desperation to try and make the gestalt tech work and try it out on the technobots. For all we know when next we see them they might be as Computron, and given his tendency to be really smart it might be a side effect of them trying to avoid going insane when they combine.

Pretenders showing up kinda confuses me as I don't really see why they would with in the context of the story. I guess it is possible that Jetfire may come up with the tech since he is looking after Bludgeons lab and all and might get some ideas. However, I'm not really interested in them.
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Postby E.J.Su » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:02 am

waaaaghlord wrote:Congrats on the new addition E J.
Thanks man. :D
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Postby Leonardo » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:03 am

Yes, congratulations, E.J.! Will you be introduing the child to Transformers over the coming years?
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Postby AxiomScion » Thu Oct 11, 2007 2:45 am

Wodicus wrote:Pretenders showing up kinda confuses me as I don't really see why they would with in the context of the story. I guess it is possible that Jetfire may come up with the tech since he is looking after Bludgeons lab and all and might get some ideas. However, I'm not really interested in them.


Not that I particularly am either, but I noticed how human like the :BOT: pretendershells look and that Megatron indeed has mass shift capabilities...

With the intro of the Dinobots from Shockwaves spotlight, and Thunderwing's semi-organic shell in the stormbringer, I could wager flesh tech could sheild TFs from raw energon overload to possibly emp based weaponry. Regardless of other possible BW type advantages, I think these alone could merit its developement.

Plus I'ld like to see Starscream attempt a rematch using the tech. Or maybe Grimlock further down the road. :P
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Postby MaP_Prime » Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:09 am

My hope is that as they introduce these different types of Transformers that they go with different characters. Like Maybe Prowl getting a targetmaster or something like that.
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Postby E.J.Su » Sat Oct 13, 2007 1:21 am

Leonardo wrote:Yes, congratulations, E.J.! Will you be introduing the child to Transformers over the coming years?
Thanks. I will give her toys and comics, maybe it will stick with her. :grin:
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Postby Big Grim » Sat Oct 13, 2007 10:42 am

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Postby Leonardo » Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:17 am

If Rogue-1 is an agent of the Machination, is it possible that the "SM" in the palmtop's model number stands for "Scorponok's Machination"?
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Postby i_amtrunks » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:41 pm

Leonardo wrote:If Rogue-1 is an agent of the Machination, is it possible that the "SM" in the palmtop's model number stands for "Scorponok's Machination"?


Nah I reckon it stands for "Squawkbox's Machination" :P
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Postby AxiomScion » Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:46 pm

i_amtrunks wrote:
Leonardo wrote:If Rogue-1 is an agent of the Machination, is it possible that the "SM" in the palmtop's model number stands for "Scorponok's Machination"?


Nah I reckon it stands for "Squawkbox's Machination" :P
maybe not Squawkbox... but Soundwave? :shock:
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Postby i_amtrunks » Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:22 pm

AxiomScion wrote:
i_amtrunks wrote:
Leonardo wrote:If Rogue-1 is an agent of the Machination, is it possible that the "SM" in the palmtop's model number stands for "Scorponok's Machination"?


Nah I reckon it stands for "Squawkbox's Machination" :P
maybe not Squawkbox... but Soundwave? :shock:


Seeing as Soundwave is still currently stuck in alt mode, I highly doubt it. He's good, but not that good.

Swindle's Machination???
If Magnus let him off, and Swindle had seen the set-up Scorpy had on Nebulos, I guess he could imitate it...

I'm joking here, obviously, but man would that be a step up in terms of storytime for an old Combaticon...
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Postby Leonardo » Tue Oct 23, 2007 2:25 am

Stylor's Machination!
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Postby Hitokiri Recca » Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:37 am

waaaaghlord wrote:What we know is that the Ark 1 disappeared into the Dead Universe prior to the Autobot/Decpticon war during Cybertron's Golden Age, taking Nova Prime (and so presumably the Matrix), Galvatron and an unknown number of other crew members with it.

I've just started reading this thread tonight, and it had me going back and looking over what was said. The thing I wanted to point out was in the Stormbringer comics, in the flashbacks Prime was having in particular, there was one scene where he had damage to his chest and you could see the shine of the Matrix in the damaged section. It makes me wonder if Simon took the idea of the Convoy Council from Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo where there are multiple Matrices and they gave them to those that were deemed worthy or if Nova Prime was forced by someone/ the Cybertronian Governing body to leave it behind so that they could pass it on to Sentinel Prime in case Nova didn't return.
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Postby Leonardo » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:58 am

Hitokiri Recca wrote:
waaaaghlord wrote:What we know is that the Ark 1 disappeared into the Dead Universe prior to the Autobot/Decpticon war during Cybertron's Golden Age, taking Nova Prime (and so presumably the Matrix), Galvatron and an unknown number of other crew members with it.

I've just started reading this thread tonight, and it had me going back and looking over what was said. The thing I wanted to point out was in the Stormbringer comics, in the flashbacks Prime was having in particular, there was one scene where he had damage to his chest and you could see the shine of the Matrix in the damaged section. It makes me wonder if Simon took the idea of the Convoy Council from Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo where there are multiple Matrices and they gave them to those that were deemed worthy or if Nova Prime was forced by someone/ the Cybertronian Governing body to leave it behind so that they could pass it on to Sentinel Prime in case Nova didn't return.


I think that Furman (or Ryall) has confirmed elsewhere (on IDW's site or Furman's blog) that Optimus doesn't carry the Matrix in this continuity, although nothing about it has been stated in the actual fiction.
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Postby AxiomScion » Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:33 am

Hitokiri Recca wrote:
waaaaghlord wrote:What we know is that the Ark 1 disappeared into the Dead Universe prior to the Autobot/Decpticon war during Cybertron's Golden Age, taking Nova Prime (and so presumably the Matrix), Galvatron and an unknown number of other crew members with it.

I've just started reading this thread tonight, and it had me going back and looking over what was said. The thing I wanted to point out was in the Stormbringer comics, in the flashbacks Prime was having in particular, there was one scene where he had damage to his chest and you could see the shine of the Matrix in the damaged section. It makes me wonder if Simon took the idea of the Convoy Council from Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo where there are multiple Matrices and they gave them to those that were deemed worthy or if Nova Prime was forced by someone/ the Cybertronian Governing body to leave it behind so that they could pass it on to Sentinel Prime in case Nova didn't return.
I believe you are right. In Stormbringer #1 page 7, lower panel i see Megatron kneeling over a fallen Prime comming out of stassis lock. His chest is split open and something resembling the matrix is glowing from within.

Might have been ment to be his spark chamber like in the 'tion' line, or even BW :P
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Postby Hitokiri Recca » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:34 am

Leonardo wrote:
Hitokiri Recca wrote:
waaaaghlord wrote:What we know is that the Ark 1 disappeared into the Dead Universe prior to the Autobot/Decpticon war during Cybertron's Golden Age, taking Nova Prime (and so presumably the Matrix), Galvatron and an unknown number of other crew members with it.

I've just started reading this thread tonight, and it had me going back and looking over what was said. The thing I wanted to point out was in the Stormbringer comics, in the flashbacks Prime was having in particular, there was one scene where he had damage to his chest and you could see the shine of the Matrix in the damaged section. It makes me wonder if Simon took the idea of the Convoy Council from Beast Wars II and Beast Wars Neo where there are multiple Matrices and they gave them to those that were deemed worthy or if Nova Prime was forced by someone/ the Cybertronian Governing body to leave it behind so that they could pass it on to Sentinel Prime in case Nova didn't return.


I think that Furman (or Ryall) has confirmed elsewhere (on IDW's site or Furman's blog) that Optimus doesn't carry the Matrix in this continuity, although nothing about it has been stated in the actual fiction.

Yes, but at the same time, there the way that it was worded that Nova Prime was "A Keeper of the Matrix" not "The Keeper of the Matrix, implying that either there may be more than one Matrix like the Convoy Council from the Japanese Beat Wars series, or that the Matrix is kept somewhere by the Autobots and the Prime is exposed to it, reshaping him to his full potential/its designs for that Prime. That would mean that the Prime wouldn't have to carry it within him, but they would have that option if he so chose Like Nova Prime did, which is what led the crew of Ark-1 to the Dead Universe.
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Postby Leonardo » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:36 am

Yes, that is entirely true.
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Postby Hitokiri Recca » Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:59 am

I'm wondering now though how the Blaster Spotlight will connect to the main story as the description states that he was the "Voice of the Autobots" and a traitor 'attempted' to silenced that voice long ago. Is the traitor that they're referring to Double Dealer, maybe a reference to Punch/Counterpunch, or someone connected to the crew of the Ark-1?

And we know from Furman's Blog that Arcee is getting a spotlight next year and that she's after Jhiaxus, but is it because Jhiaxus is out and about like Galvatron from the Dead Universe or was it that he was never on the Ark-1 and has been continuing the experiments that he and Nova Prime started with the Pretender Monsters?
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Postby Tigertrack » Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:21 am

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Hitokiri Recca wrote:
And we know from Furman's Blog that Arcee is getting a spotlight next year and that she's after Jhiaxus, but is it because Jhiaxus is out and about like Galvatron from the Dead Universe or was it that he was never on the Ark-1 and has been continuing the experiments that he and Nova Prime started with the Pretender Monsters?


I thought it was just Jhiaxus who was doing the experimenting?

Of course, we really don't know how much, or how little Nova Prime, Galvatron, and Jhiaxus are in cahoots, or even if J and NP are still around somewhere... :-?

It looks like Arcee SL will give us some detail on Jhiaxus.

Blaster- well we don't know for sure. It sounds like it could be Dealer, or it could be a new character, maybe it's a tape like Beastbox or someone we have not seen yet.

Who knows? Hopefully us in a couple of weeks!!!!
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Postby Hitokiri Recca » Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:39 pm

Furman did say that it was a 'traitor' that attacked Blaster, so it's more than likely Double Dealer, Counterpunch/Punch, or some bot along those lines.

But remember in Prime's spotlight, Omega Supreme put the blame for the combiner technology on both Jhiaxus and Nova Prime and it was implied that Nova disappeared with the Ark-1. It was unclear though as to whether Jhiaxus was with him onboard during the time when Omega locked the Pretender Monsters in their dimensional prison
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Postby clrobe » Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:50 pm

Hitokiri Recca wrote:Furman did say that it was a 'traitor' that attacked Blaster, so it's more than likely Double Dealer, Counterpunch/Punch, or some bot along those lines.

I thought it would be Dealer too, but Furman said (in one of his blog comments) that he would not be appearing in that spotlight (but that he would make a cameo in the following spotlight - now known to be Arcee).

But remember in Prime's spotlight, Omega Supreme put the blame for the combiner technology on both Jhiaxus and Nova Prime and it was implied that Nova disappeared with the Ark-1. It was unclear though as to whether Jhiaxus was with him onboard during the time when Omega locked the Pretender Monsters in their dimensional prison

That's true...we don't know where Jhiaxus is at the present (or if he still lives). I wouldn't be surprised if most of Spotlight Arcee takes place in the past when Jhiaxus was doing his experiments on the Monsters and such. What if Arcee was an one of Jhiaxus' experiments (and the fembot prototype) and then something happened to him that prevented him from making more?
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