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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Maximo » Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:41 am

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D-max did say Guzzle, Hubcap or Stakeout.



I know but if they kill all three in this issue then what happens in the next two?


The death of Impactor and Springer?

No, dude, D-Max is saying the could, potentially, kill ONE of those three. Not that they'll kill all of them, or even any of them. Like, pick one of those three; now he's dead, but the other two are still alive. Capisce?

On the other hand, they very well COULD kill all three of them. Roche is no stranger to breaking hearts. We won't really know until Wednesday. Except for Frikkin Va'al.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Jan 25, 2016 11:43 am

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Going based on his previous works, I expect a death in issue 3. That happened in last stand and I think it will happen here.

And unfortunately, Twitter spoiler one of those 3 as surviving because some numb nut put it on twitter and roche shared it in disgust that it was a spoiler. Stay away from twitter! :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:07 am

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Nemesis Maximo wrote:On the other hand, they very well COULD kill all three of them. Roche is no stranger to breaking hearts. We won't really know until Wednesday. Except for Frikkin Va'al.



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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby alexison » Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:14 am

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As it stands, I wouldn't feel anything right now if Guzzle or Huncap died. Since Last Stand, Guzzle has been nothing but a plot device.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Jan 26, 2016 10:51 am

Doctor McGrath wrote:As it stands, I wouldn't feel anything right now if Guzzle or Huncap died. Since Last Stand, Guzzle has been nothing but a plot device.



Device for what? He's honestly nothing. I find it difficult to believe that after four million years of war his new savage behavior is what makes Impactor question his violent tendencies
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby alexison » Tue Jan 26, 2016 11:09 am

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Doctor McGrath wrote:As it stands, I wouldn't feel anything right now if Guzzle or Huncap died. Since Last Stand, Guzzle has been nothing but a plot device.



Device for what? He's honestly nothing. I find it difficult to believe that after four million years of war his new savage behavior is what makes Impactor question his violent tendencies



He's just being used to move the story forward. He has been turned into the irrational one moving them forward into Tital Wave. And I agree with you, it doesn't make any sense.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:48 pm

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I feel like Hubcap will either be the big hero, or a big villian. It can go either way (And Va'al won't share his Sins comics with me so it irks me that I don't know).

As for Impactor and Guzzle: I feel Impactor took a hit during Last stand and realized he had gone too far and is trying to change to adapt to settling down some, caring for others and trying to adjust to post war, and guzzle is an amped up old Impactor character :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby alexison » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:52 pm

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I agree with most of what you said. We all can certainly fill in the blanks and draw conclusions to what we think has happened. That is pretty much the point I'm trying to make. I am finding Sins fun(especially with the character introductions) but as far as character growth/development goes, I think it is missing Roberts. Too much riding on assumptions & off screen actions, so far, of course.
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IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers #3 Review

Postby Va'al » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:08 am

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Something naughty this way comes...
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Synopsis
SECRETS AND SINS! PROWL’s past—shrouded in mystery—begins to come to light… and the revelations aren’t pretty. But to get ahold of the missing AUTOBOT, the WRECKERS will have to face… the NOISEMAZE.

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u kno it


Story

Issue three, and we're still untangling a gigantic knot of garbled vines (and lumps in throats, after reading). Surprising no one really, but still executed really well, we find out who and what Mesothulas Tarantulas is - he even gets a catch phrase - what his goal might be, and just about what the Wreckers may have to do with any of this series to start with.

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Oh yeah, them


I can see the problem with that last part, of course, as other readers have pointed out: if anything, this book so far is more about Prowl and his past than the Wreckers. And Prowl and the Wreckers haven't really had stellar relations in that past, either. This issue, however, may be leading towards the meeting point of the two pasts.

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Hmmmmmm


There is one particular piece of dialogue, shown in the preview, which illustrates just how well Roche can work with words and visuals - as it's a layout within the panel that will show up a number of times in the issue - and speaks to his strengths as a grey-moral-area-lover-of-ambiguity. As we have seen several times before now.

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Coloured words


Roche takes a quick dip in established Transformers history, from the IDWverse anyway, as he brings us up to speed with what happened to Mesontulas, which will please some readers. He also unearths some not-yet-established historical connections, as we catch up with what the Wreckers might know about it all, which will intrigue readers. Either way, he's still spinning threads, over halfway in.


Art

What I have said for the verbal part of Roche's appraisal, I have to reiterate in the visual - though with not as many reservations on the complexity of what he's doing. Yes, he is a storyteller, and working with both tracks in sync allows his art and words to bounce off each other, but the art has a smidge over the words at times, especially in character design.



What Josh Burcham brings to the page, in his colouring, is truly remarkable. The emotional side of the story and its characters is played out with tonal contrasts, juxtaposition of bright and positively (negatively?) dark colours, and sprinkled with some seriously heebie-jeebie vibes throughout. Plus, we get the trippy swirl effects of the Noisemaze.

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Also, accurate for the story


Tom B. Long has a field day with the number of font variations: each faction, plus Taranmesothulalala, and juiced up Guzzle, the Noisemaze - there is so much going on in the different voices, and he claims them all, pointing them out brilliantly. The covers are pretty much as dark as you would expect, with multi-layered Roche/Burcham main Impactor and Kup art, heart-scrunching incentive variant by Priscilla Tramontano (seen here), and an ominous Pri-- Prowl by guest artists Andy MacDonald and John-Paul Bove (thumbnailed).


Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead

Even with the caveats mentioned above, I found a solid balance in Roche's writing: we may get some exposition in spots, but it allows for character fleshing out too; if on one hand there is a lot of Prowl and Tarantulas, on the other there is a big build-up of expectations. And both allow for some excellent visuals, in both layouts and creepiness, and surprising emotional turns. And Obtenteum (really?).

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We get some additional background and character work, though very brief, on Hubcap, Verity, Carnivac, Stakeout - and some of it will hurt, some of it will enrage, most of it will leave readers wanting for more, that's for sure. Whatever happens at the end, with its 'mild' cliffhanger, will have to wait quite a while for a resolve, unfortunately. So strap in to your spider, and let it crawl.

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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jan 27, 2016 6:47 am

Good issue but again, this is not a wreckers book. This is a sins of prowl book.

I hate to say this but am I the only one who thinks its blatantly obvious who Ostaros is? I mean the reveal of who Mesothulas is was called by the beginning of issue two, everyone figured out who the traitor was by the iTunes preview weeks ago. Are we really suppose to read Ostaros and not go "oh yeah, there's Springer" ?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:07 am

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Randomhero wrote:Good issue but again, this is not a wreckers book. This is a sins of prowl book.

I hate to say this but am I the only one who thinks its blatantly obvious who Ostaros is? I mean the reveal of who Mesothulas is was called by the beginning of issue two, everyone figured out who the traitor was by the iTunes preview weeks ago. Are we really suppose to read Ostaros and not go "oh yeah, there's Springer" ?


I dunno. There are several pointers going in that direction, yes, so I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that were the case. Especially with Impactor's behaviour in the series so far.

There is also some sort of tenuous etymological connection, with Eostre/Oster-Easter/Paschal-Spring. :-?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Crosscheck » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:08 am

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Yeah, so the artificial not is Springer. It is why his eyes grow so bright. I know They want you to think it is Hubcap, but he is just a traitor.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Carnivius_Prime » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:19 am

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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:45 am

Va'al wrote:
Randomhero wrote:Good issue but again, this is not a wreckers book. This is a sins of prowl book.

I hate to say this but am I the only one who thinks its blatantly obvious who Ostaros is? I mean the reveal of who Mesothulas is was called by the beginning of issue two, everyone figured out who the traitor was by the iTunes preview weeks ago. Are we really suppose to read Ostaros and not go "oh yeah, there's Springer" ?


I dunno. There are several pointers going in that direction, yes, so I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that were the case. Especially with Impactor's behaviour in the series so far.

There is also some sort of tenuous etymological connection, with Eostre/Oster-Easter/Paschal-Spring. :-?



See the only thing I can't stop saying with this is "nick is not James" I don't mean that as an insult but let's be honest, nick is not James. James will throw little hints here and there and will throw stuff in to completely throw you off. That is not how nick writes. Nick is not a mystery writer. I think he's trying but the mysteries are so obvious
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Wed Jan 27, 2016 7:54 am

Carnivius_Prime wrote:I'm not enjoying the comic but I'm stuck in a 'started so I'll finish' sorta mood.


I can see that. This is series people have been waiting for for 5 to 6 years and it's really not the story people have been waiting for. I personally am enjoying it but I'm also finding myself saying "this isn't mind blowing"
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Ironhidensh » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:06 am

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Carnivius_Prime wrote:I'm not enjoying the comic but I'm stuck in a 'started so I'll finish' sorta mood.

Same here, but I've relegated the book to "wait till the digital price gets cut in half" status. MTMTE is rapidly becoming the only official Transformers media/product I still enjoy. :(
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby jogunwarrior » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:19 am

I'll pick this up when its collected like I did with Last Stand, but I just wanted to say that Tarantulus is my favorite Beast Wars character and I am so happy to see him brought into this IDW Universe. I'd love to see what a writer like James could do with him in the future.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Crosscheck » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:42 am

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Did a little digging. Definitely confirmed that Springer is Ostaros. Ostara is the Germanic goddess of spring. Additionally, the name can roughly translate as "to shine" (like Sprinters eyes do). Add in the fact his profile is quite similar and the head is a dead ringer, definitely the same person.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:48 am

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Crosscheck wrote:Did a little digging. Definitely confirmed that Springer is Ostaros. Ostara is the Germanic goddess of spring. Additionally, the name can roughly translate as "to shine" (like Sprinters eyes do). Add in the fact his profile is quite similar and the head is a dead ringer, definitely the same person.


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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Crosscheck » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:08 am

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Va'al wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:Did a little digging. Definitely confirmed that Springer is Ostaros. Ostara is the Germanic goddess of spring. Additionally, the name can roughly translate as "to shine" (like Sprinters eyes do). Add in the fact his profile is quite similar and the head is a dead ringer, definitely the same person.


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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:17 am

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Crosscheck wrote:
Va'al wrote:
Crosscheck wrote:Did a little digging. Definitely confirmed that Springer is Ostaros. Ostara is the Germanic goddess of spring. Additionally, the name can roughly translate as "to shine" (like Sprinters eyes do). Add in the fact his profile is quite similar and the head is a dead ringer, definitely the same person.


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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:54 am

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Well, there were those moments. Hubcap as a traitor was correct, some kind of protoform x style story where X may or may not be Springer, Stakeout is dying, so he and Verity shall die together. Wow. :BOT:
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IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers TPB Listing on Amazon

Postby Va'al » Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:19 am

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In more Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers news today, a new listing has popped up on online retailer Amazon, showing that the collected trade for the mini-series from IDW will be released in July 2016 (also due to the mid-series pause). There is obviously no cover image selected yet, though it is probable that it'll be one of the variants used during the run itself. Head here for more info, as it currently stands!

Paperback: 120 pages
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Bounti76 » Wed Jan 27, 2016 4:54 pm

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Can someone tell me please.....is the SOTW series pausing for some reason? I don't follow it like I do MTME and not-RID.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:41 pm

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There is no comic in February and #4 is in March. Va'al might know why but I don't know the reason :BOT:
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