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IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:25 pm

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Randomhero wrote:It looks nice. Not a fan of the coloring and the continuity is a giant mess. Maybe it takes place before combiner wars? Be terrible especially since that's been almost a year from where we are now. Maybe after this conquers arc? Who knows. Bugs the hell out of me though.


How is it a mess? This takes place after Combiner Wars, directly after the Barber arc we are in now as far as I know. The preview also states it's been 1467 days since Springer was injured so that right there is the exact timeline.


Because Prowl is a wanted Fugitive. Issue 42 ended with him escaping custody being taken by Rattrap. Issue 44 revealed he is a wanted fugitive with no allies and with Wanted posters everywhere. Arcee was even filled in with what he did during Combiner Wars and Prowl is not in this current story at all. This comic shows that Prowl was on the Ark-27 and just disappeared from his quarters. 1. hes not with the Earth Autobots right now because hes a wanted fugitive everywhere and 2. The Ark is demolished right now. it is beat to hell and here, its fine. I even asked Nick personally on facebook "when does this take place?" he was kind enough to reply back to me but all he said "the current timeline of IDW" i responded back my points. "but Prowl is a wanted fugitive at the moment. he has no allies with any Autobots, especially Arcee and Kup because they know he went too far in Combiner Hunters" sadly nick did not reply to that.

Honestly? I dont think Nick knew what was going on with Prowl in John's book when he started Sins of the Wreckers. I'm not saying this is all nicks fault because thats something the editor should inform him on. Prowl is a huge character in this series, its essentially about him being missing but we know where he is and he wasnt captured. he escaped custody by Rattrap.

some have tried to justify this saying 'obviously Arcee snuck him back to Earth and he joined back up" no, thats a scene that would require being shown in John's Transformers book especially with Autbots like Kup, Jazz and Sideswipe on Ark-27 who are mroe loyal to Optimus than Arcee. Prowl is an important character to what John Barber has been doing and thats a cop-out to try explain whats going on and I have more respect for IDW and the people creating these books to do something that unprofessional. thats the equivalent of skipping Brainstorm's trial after Elegant Chaos and him just appearing as part of the crew again. Everyone would be screaming "What the is he doing hanging out with everyone again"
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:43 pm

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It could be possible that this was set in the time between Prime's departure and Prowl taking the bridge to cybertron, where his events happened. This could be a going back in time to explain stuff story :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby alexison » Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:48 pm

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I wouldn't over think it. This is the preview for the first issue in a mini-series. It will all work out.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Nov 22, 2015 9:00 pm

I honestly hope so. I'm not trying to be a wet blanket but the comics are my medium with transformers anymore. I don't watch the cartoons anymore, I collect only classics/generations and I'm picky with continuity, Andy Schmidt just left me so jagged and John has been so damn good running IDW for the past 4 years I just get nitpicky when I know this universe so well and when something doesn't doesn't fit, I get a little "hold on a second" lol. I do have faith in this book. I just don't want this to be something that someone has to fix later. IDW transformers has become better than that in the recent years with their own stories. Yeah they fixed a lot of mess ups the previous did but John hasn't had to fix anything he's been in charge of.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Mon Nov 23, 2015 3:41 am

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For people wondering about the timeline, I would recommend listening to Nick Roche talking about it directly on the 129th Twincast Podcast. ;)

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/ ... ers/34136/

He addresses this point really early on, too.
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IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers #1 Review

Postby Va'al » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:16 am

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Last Stand of the Wreckers: Part II - Stand Laster
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Synopsis
THE WRECKERS RETURN! Somebody’s kidnapped PROWL… but does anybody want him back? A lifetime of messing with everybody’s lives comes around to haunt him. Fortunately, he’s always got a plan. In this case… the one team of brutal, broken heroes… the WRECKERS!

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Such hero, much broken


Story

It has taken some time to convince Nick Roche and the editorial team over at IDW to bring a bunch of clutch munching piston-lickers back to the stage - but years later, here we are again, sans James Roberts, looking at a very different status quo, a similar roster of names and faces, and a much, much darker (if possible) storyline.

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Good start..?


We start from where we left in Last Stand, with the passing of time having passed, and done its thing, Springer still in a coma, Impactor and whatever is left of the Wreckers trying to find their place in the new reality of Cybertron and the Council of Worlds. The transition is seamless, in accounting for the time that sits between the two stories.

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Establishing shot


We also identify the two majorly major players of the story - from this point, at least - in Verity Carlo and Kup, two people who have all the reasons to dislike Prowl, with a passion, though not necessarily with the knowledge to do so especially in Kup's case.

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..and of course, this guy


One concern I do have, though it has been addressed by Roche and IDW more in general, is to do with the exact placing of this story. There are significant scenes with the Ark that do not coincide with The Transformers #47, and something seems to have shifted in Prowl's disappearance, too. That said, in John Barber we trust.


Art

The visual team, linework and layouts at least, is still concentrated in the hands and floppy hair of Roche himself, and he brings, in my opinion, something quite different to the previous Wreckers outing in Last Stand, and something perhaps more fitting to the tone he has set for his own story this time round. That, and a combination of some really dynamic work in the layouts.

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Stakepunch!


A tone, of course, that has been perfectly captured and even enhanced in the chromatic wonders of Josh Burcham, who delivers a variety of lonelinesses depending on the scenes, characters, and environments. Blending a very dirty, gritty colouring and lighting for indoor conversations, and cold colours for outdoors Nome, the isolation is palpable.

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Greyscale and sepia - mmhmm


Unsurprisingly, Tom B. Long is taking up lettering duties, and there is nothing I have to say that the lettering doesn't do for itself. Tone aside, we get snippets into the dark humour of the book, and the dynamics established among the cast. A cast which is, for the most part, highlighted on the covers with Roche and Burcham giving a cinematographic feel to the main one, guests Declan Shalvey and Jordie Bellaire offering a magnificent Impactor, and Alex Milne teaming up with Josh Perez for a Springer-tastic LSTOW variant (thumbnailed).


Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead

We've seen it with Redemption, we've seen it in recent issue of The Transformers, it has been running in the Scavengers arc, and more so in this week's release of MTMTE - the status quo for the TFverse has changed. Some characters have not. Some characters are trying to adapt. Some cannot. This is their story, as told by cruel Nick Roche.

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Look at that smug mug


Tight editing on the book will ensure that everything slides into place, I'm sure, removing the only major criticism I have of the issue. There are some surprisingly poignant, powerful, ominous, intriguing moments which you just need to enjoy. Make sure you take a break between this and MTMTE, too.

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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby reVelske » Wed Nov 25, 2015 2:51 am

Oh sweet primus, was that cop car at the end of LSOTW Stakeout the whole time!? MINDBLOWN!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby CombaticonsCombine? » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:02 am

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Jesus, Guzzle. No wonder they were keeping you in that box.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby CombaticonsCombine? » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:05 am

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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Genericon #378 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 8:20 am

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Well, Arcee's a greedy bitch. But then, hasn't she always been a useless character in IDW? Springer's back. Awesome! I've got an idea for the song when Springer is shown to be alive and well. Jurassic Park theme. And Stakeout and Hubcap are making their second appearance!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby YoungPrime » Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:17 am

Genericon #378 wrote:Well, Arcee's a greedy bitch. But then, hasn't she always been a useless character in IDW? Springer's back. Awesome! I've got an idea for the song when Springer is shown to be alive and well. Jurassic Park theme. And Stakeout and Hubcap are making their second appearance!


My issue with IDW's Arcee is that I wouldn't have as much issue with her if her sole purpose wasn't killing and slapping around bots I have more stock in.

It's basically a case of Barber's favorite character kicking around other people's favorite character. I know people hated Drift at one point but Arcee in my opinion is far worse. Combat wise IDW puts her too high up on a pedestal for my taste.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Genericon #378 » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:18 pm

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YoungPrime wrote:
Genericon #378 wrote:Well, Arcee's a greedy bitch. But then, hasn't she always been a useless character in IDW? Springer's back. Awesome! I've got an idea for the song when Springer is shown to be alive and well. Jurassic Park theme. And Stakeout and Hubcap are making their second appearance!


My issue with IDW's Arcee is that I wouldn't have as much issue with her if her sole purpose wasn't killing and slapping around bots I have more stock in.

It's basically a case of Barber's favorite character kicking around other people's favorite character. I know people hated Drift at one point but Arcee in my opinion is far worse. Combat wise IDW puts her too high up on a pedestal for my taste.

I have a list of characters Arcee has fought and (more or less) beat: Ratbat, Sunstorm, Blast Off, Blot, Triggerhappy, Ravage, Frenzy and Rumble, the triple changers and Shockwave. Oh, and Bombshell. Skywarp. Five characters that should have kicked her ass in battle are on that list. What a waste.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Wed Nov 25, 2015 12:24 pm

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I, for one, think that the betrayal that Arcee feels in the issue is entirely legitimate, given the amount of **** she's been getting and doing from and for Prowl up to this point, only to be sidelined by Springer.

That, and I really like what Barber has done with the character, and how Roche is handling her so far.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby CaptainMagic » Wed Nov 25, 2015 6:24 pm

"A polar bear is dropkicked by a robot that turns into a police car." The next time I need to defend my love of Transformers to somebody, I will simply say those words. This entire issue could have been crap and it still would have been worth it to get to read that sentence. :lol:
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Carnivius_Prime » Thu Nov 26, 2015 3:44 am

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Well i gave it a go. Still not my kinda thing. Still not a fan of Roche's artwork for the most part (the weird goblin faces still a thing particularly on Kup) but the gritty colours from Burcharm look great. Just not sure who I was supposed to care about enough in this issue to warrant reading the next.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Windsweeper » Thu Nov 26, 2015 4:19 am

Great to see my favourite Micromaster get some screen time.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Genericon #378 » Thu Nov 26, 2015 8:13 am

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Randomhero wrote:
Doctor McGrath wrote:
Randomhero wrote:It looks nice. Not a fan of the coloring and the continuity is a giant mess. Maybe it takes place before combiner wars? Be terrible especially since that's been almost a year from where we are now. Maybe after this conquers arc? Who knows. Bugs the hell out of me though.


How is it a mess? This takes place after Combiner Wars, directly after the Barber arc we are in now as far as I know. The preview also states it's been 1467 days since Springer was injured so that right there is the exact timeline.


Because Prowl is a wanted Fugitive. Issue 42 ended with him escaping custody being taken by Rattrap. Issue 44 revealed he is a wanted fugitive with no allies and with Wanted posters everywhere. Arcee was even filled in with what he did during Combiner Wars and Prowl is not in this current story at all. This comic shows that Prowl was on the Ark-27 and just disappeared from his quarters. 1. hes not with the Earth Autobots right now because hes a wanted fugitive everywhere and 2. The Ark is demolished right now. it is beat to hell and here, its fine. I even asked Nick personally on facebook "when does this take place?" he was kind enough to reply back to me but all he said "the current timeline of IDW" i responded back my points. "but Prowl is a wanted fugitive at the moment. he has no allies with any Autobots, especially Arcee and Kup because they know he went too far in Combiner Hunters" sadly nick did not reply to that.

Honestly? I dont think Nick knew what was going on with Prowl in John's book when he started Sins of the Wreckers. I'm not saying this is all nicks fault because thats something the editor should inform him on. Prowl is a huge character in this series, its essentially about him being missing but we know where he is and he wasnt captured. he escaped custody by Rattrap.

some have tried to justify this saying 'obviously Arcee snuck him back to Earth and he joined back up" no, thats a scene that would require being shown in John's Transformers book especially with Autbots like Kup, Jazz and Sideswipe on Ark-27 who are mroe loyal to Optimus than Arcee. Prowl is an important character to what John Barber has been doing and thats a cop-out to try explain whats going on and I have more respect for IDW and the people creating these books to do something that unprofessional. thats the equivalent of skipping Brainstorm's trial after Elegant Chaos and him just appearing as part of the crew again. Everyone would be screaming "What the is he doing hanging out with everyone again"

They didn't say Prowl disappeared from his quarters. They said they had his signal on the screen for a moment and then it disappeared. They went into his quarters to look for any sort of indication why.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Syn_13 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 5:16 pm

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I thought this issue was good, but it just missed a certain something. I wasn't expecting it to blow me out of the water like Last Stand did, but I was still expecting something more. I think it's probably because Last Stand was quite a high octane, thrill ride for the most part, whereas this issue seemed a lot more...subdued.

I think a massive factor is the lack of a charismatic villain. From the get-go Overlord was large and in charge, he oozed charisma and made for a brilliant pantomime villain. This time round we have a mysterious villain lurking in the shadows. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it pans out.

I didn't actually like the way it jumped quickly from being on Debris with Guzzle locked in the box and Springer disappearing from the life support unit, to suddenly seeing all of them on Earth assembled and ready to kick the proverbial. Thought it jumped too quickly, but I assume the next issue will show what happened in between.

The positives - it was great seeing Roadbuster again, I've missed him. I liked the
introduction of Stakeout, dropkicking the bear, that was a good touch. Arcee seems to be in everything these days, but I do like her, and I hope Roche is going to open up a bit more of her character.


I like the art style, I was a big fan of Roche's work in Spotlight: Kup as it really brought out the dark, gritty feel of the story. I feel that it'll play a part in this story, as it certainly looks to be a darker story than Last Stand. The inks and colours suited the visceral tone of Last Stand and after reading the first issue of Sins I totally get why it's been done the way it has been.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby DeadCaL » Sun Nov 29, 2015 4:49 pm

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Overall I liked this issue, but the writing was a bit janky and jerky. I'm fully aware of the previous series, but even I was left thinking "Whoa, where are we now?".
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:03 pm

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Firstly, loved the issue and look forward to the rest of the story. Springer is back up, which is awesome, and I am loving Stakeout.

Secondly: this takes place after Prowl escaped Prime in issue 42, as his eye is still punched out. Plus Rattrap has proven able to sneak up and use the spacebridge, so he and Prowl together could easily get Prowl to use it and to Earth. It was also mention that in issue 45, that Kup and Arcee were returning from somewhere as Jetfire mentioned their absence. It would seem this adventure takes place during that time leading up to all hell breaking loose in the current run, Between Arcee's bridge trip to Cybertron following combiner wars then her return to find Kup and the 2 go off with the wreckers while Jetfire and Cosmos do whatever. That appears to be the timeline.

Thirdly: I feel the death of Verity Carlo coming. It just feels as though she is dying and she will by the end :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:24 am

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Secondly: this takes place after Prowl escaped Prime in issue 42, as his eye is still punched out. Plus Rattrap has proven able to sneak up and use the spacebridge, so he and Prowl together could easily get Prowl to use it and to Earth. It was also mention that in issue 45, that Kup and Arcee were returning from somewhere as Jetfire mentioned their absence. It would seem this adventure takes place during that time leading up to all hell breaking loose in the current run, Between Arcee's bridge trip to Cybertron following combiner wars then her return to find Kup and the 2 go off with the wreckers while Jetfire and Cosmos do whatever. That appears to be the timeline.


That was what I thought, but I only thought it after the review, so credit to you for clarifying it!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Maximo » Fri Dec 04, 2015 10:38 pm

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SPRINGER'S BACK!!!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Sun Dec 06, 2015 8:27 pm

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SPRINGER'S BACK!!!

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Sneak Peek - IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers #2 iTunes Preview

Postby Va'al » Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:42 am

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Fellow Seibertronian Decepticon Sunstorm helps me do my job by pointing us in the direction of iTunes, and their new small preview of the upcoming second issue of Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers - which you can check out below, all three pages of it, including a brief synopsis!

FROSTY RECEPTION! THE WRECKERS journey to Nome, Alaska to track down the number one suspect in PROWL’s disappearance—their former human ally, VERITY CARLO!


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Re: IDW Transformers: Sins of the Wreckers Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Tue Dec 15, 2015 7:28 am

Wow never thought I'd see an IDW version of Tarantulus but I'm stoked now! This series just got a lot better!
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #361 - Doppelganger
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