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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Sun Aug 23, 2015 8:58 am

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Randomhero wrote:Keeps you reading and guessing though.

If that's truly the case, then it shows one of two things. One Roberts is lazy (no). Two Robert holds open hostility, apathy, and actively despises the reader, and will deliberately write the story in such a way to waste the readers time, money, by openly provoking them into a quagmire. Thus, Roberts is as bad as L. Ron Hubbard. In Ethics of course, Roberts is far in away a better writer.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:43 am

I wouldn't call James a bad writer but he's certainly not in my top 5 transformers writers
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Sun Aug 23, 2015 9:54 am

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Randomhero wrote:I wouldn't call James a bad writer but he's certainly not in my top 5 transformers writers

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Aug 23, 2015 10:25 am

He's not. I have a lot of issues with janes's writing, I'm not saying he's terrible. He's not but he has a lot he can improve on
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:19 am

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Tarn's identity has to mean something important, hence why it has never been revealed to us. The Lost Light and the DJD have a history and the crews can potentially cross-mix, such as should Tarn be Roller, Rodimus would feel responsible for the mess, If it is Dominus, Rewind and Magnus both have issues, so on and so forth. And in issue 35 Rodimus pledged that he would make the DJD pay for their crimes, so while the quest is happening, the DJD are very much involved. Not to mention that the DJD is now pursuing the lost light for Megatron, but drift is coming back and the scavengers and Grimlock will soon be making a return, plus Defensor returning from Cybertron. Things are picking up speed, slowly, but they are. :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:42 am

Rodimus also pledged that no one else would die and they wouldn't get side tracked anymore and he'd start taking his role more seriously. How's that panning out crew?!

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:02 pm

Honestly in the end if tarn is roller who does that benefits on the lost light? You say Rodimus but Rodimus never had a conversation with him when they traveled back and didn't really bother asking about him after he was injured after the battle the battle ended. The only person that would benefit for that reveal is Ratchet but that's a lot of build up for just Ratchet I don't see that being the case. Maybe if Optimus was on the lost light then yes that would be something but he's not. That's not to say Optimus couldn't show up but for now I think it's way to blatant.

As for domius Ambus, the only thing that backs it up is he's missing. That's it. There's no clues, no hints, nothing except he's missing. We all know Roberts puts hints in MTMTE. Just enough for when the reveal happens you can go back and say "oh my god there were all these little hints I never picked up on!" There's nothing with Dominus Ambus except he's missing. For me that's not enough to draw a conclusion that he could be Tarn.

My theories about Proteus and the original Magnus? You can argue that you don't like it, it's coincidental, whatever. Doesn't matter but I see how James writes how he likes to leave little bread crumbs and there's clues that could reveal tarn could be either.

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:08 pm

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Im still wondering what the breadcrumbs are, especially for the original ultra magnus.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:14 pm

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Im still wondering what the breadcrumbs are, especially for the original ultra magnus.


I already said them all on the first page. Go read them because I am no typing all that a second time. lol
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:54 pm

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As spark brothers, Dominus would probably be a load-bearer too, and considering Minimus is his brother he may have a way to recognize him inside of armor, which is how he knew to cut off Magnus' hand before killing him so he could not teleport away. He is also a constant subject brought up by Rewind and chromedome, and he left Rewind alive on the other lost light, so it's possible he remember his old conjux endurae and let him live instead of killing him :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Sun Aug 23, 2015 12:58 pm

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SW's SilverHammer wrote:Im still wondering what the breadcrumbs are, especially for the original ultra magnus.


I already said them all on the first page. Go read them because I am no typing all that a second time. lol

Okay, let's Break it Down Again (like vos's favorite band) this one's the biggie, so i'll start with this one.

Randomhero wrote:Tarn knows about the Magnus Armor. In slaughter house, tarn goes out of his way to remove Magnus' hand so the recall switch would not be activated upon Minimus' death. Only someone who knew about the Magnus armor would do that, and we know that in the flashback with Brainstorm he would never leak information that could legitimately harm an Autobot so if Braintstorm did know about the switch, he wouldn't have told anyone because that would jeopardize minus' life.


On surface value, this seems plausible. However the Ultra Magnus you reference is the Original Ultra Magnus, not the first load bearer to be Ultra Magnus, postmortem. As far as the comics have hinted, it hasn't been disclosed if the Original Ultra Magnus was a person in armor. However, if the original Ultra Magnus was in fact a man in armor, or even if he wasn't, he would have no knowledge of the workings of the Tyrest Magnus Armor Minimus Ambus wears. This Armor, even if made from or based on the original Magnus armor, is a different set created after the original magnus's death, made specifically for recall. Thus it is unlikely that if the original Ultra Magnus was Tarn, he would know about the panic button in the wrist, as that would be something added to this new set of Magnus Armor, created after the originals' supposed death. Continuing this, the Original Ultra Magnus would not know exactly if the New Ultra Magnus was a load bearer in a suit, even if he was one himself. Because of this, it would seem no matter who killed Minimus Ambus/Ultra Magnus in the Slaughterhouse arc, they would have to have had a 3rd party source outside of Brainstorm to inform them.

Randomhero wrote:Ambus does take on the characteristics and even improves on them. We've seen through flashbacks that the previous Magnus bearers had ticks and Ambus having OCD has improved in them. Previous Magnus wearers have been shown to be dirty, reckless over charismatic , and wear crooked badges. Things Ambus removed and improved on when taking the mantle. Also, like I said Minimus has OCD so he would take on the characteristics of the person he's trying to become Magnus and be the best. That's why the only people who knew about the armor were not people who figured it out big people who were informed.


I personally doubt the love of the Empeream Suite between the Magni (The Original and Minimus) is anything but a coincidence. If Minumus Ambus was OCD enough to display the traits of the original Ultra Magnus, in order not to raise suspicion (provided the Original Ultra Magnus and tarn are the same) he would show some addictive traits, an intricate knowledge and/or respect of Towards Peace, as well as actual outlier abilities, or abilities mimicking them. Tarn is hinted to be an outlier, therefore the Original Ultra Magnus would have to be one too.

Randomhero wrote:A flashback of tarn shows him being rebuilt by bots similar to the ones that performed shadowplay on Shockwave. It's possible that with the reputation the original Magnus has, Megatron wanted him for the Decepticons or he saw Megatron's way was the right way.

The Flashback shows the delicate operation on Tarn with the (post) institute surgeons present. However, shadowplay and Mnemosurgery no matter how minor or extensive, would have gone against the decepticon beliefs of that time, especially Megatron's, who despises Mnemosurgery. It's most likely the surgeons were present for the extensive body modification on whoever Tarn was, these specific surgeons worked on bodies as much as they did the mind.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

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I don't like the idea of shadowplay being brought in considering how much Megatron hates it. He killed the guy who attempted it on him and he despises needles so very much. I really doubt he would condone said actions :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Thadicon » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:14 pm

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Tarn is Terminus!!

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Sagitta » Sun Aug 23, 2015 11:41 pm

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Randomhero wrote:Honestly in the end if tarn is roller who does that benefits on the lost light? You say Rodimus but Rodimus never had a conversation with him when they traveled back and didn't really bother asking about him after he was injured after the battle the battle ended...



That's the thing tho. Rodimus ordered Chromedome to have every one of Orion Pax's team's short term memory wiped, except for Trailbreaker. (We all know how that turned out.) However, as you yourself pointed out while it was remembered or not, Roller was still missing and -his- memory wouldn't have been wiped. Orion, nor the others, wouldn't have remembered he was missing or even why he was missing. More than likely they may have thought -he- was the one who deserted -them-. Not the other way around.

We know Roller felt inadequate when he compared himself to the other outliers. When in a discussion with the future Rung he was reminded whether or not he was an outlier shouldn't matter. Orion considered him a friend and that should have been enough. Should Roller been able to return to an empty base and found Orion and the outliers moved on he would have felt his original stance was then justified. That he wasn't "worth it" after all.

(Then there's Tarn's reaction when he was told "Decepticons don't leave their own behind." Hit a nerve maybe?)

What happened next to possibly turn Roller to become Tarn, if that is indeed what happened, is up for conjecture.

What is fully ironic is the thought just where Roller had been trying to take the sparks to before he disappeared. Anyone remember where Rodimus is originally from? Anyone recall Rodimus stated in Elegant Chaos that he hadn't been "born" yet at the time of their second jump? Could be Roller is as much responsible for saving Rodimus's life when he was at his must vulnerable just as Rodimus was responsible for indirectly creating Tarn.

Either way...fun to try and second guess. 8-}
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Yweggo » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:30 am

For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Optimizzy » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:47 am

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Yweggo wrote:For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.


I dunno. Megs seems to have his own sense of honor and propriety and I think rewind probably sparked something there.

Megs is strict and harsh but he very much seems fair and decent.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Twitchythe3rd » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:47 am

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Yweggo wrote:For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.


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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby MrBlack » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:51 am

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Yweggo wrote:For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.

Megatron smiling is never a good sign. He wants to visit for reasons of his own.

This being James Roberts, I'm sure there is still some twist to Dominus Ambus yet to be revealed. I half wonder if Ten is somehow Dominus Ambus. It would help to explain his connection with Magnus (although that could just be because of both their connections to Tyrest), and it would be epically tragic to have a polymath like Dominus reduced to a being that essentially suffers from extreme autism. As to the how, I couldn't tell you. This theory is honestly pretty out there.
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Optimizzy » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:52 am

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quote="Optimizzy"]
Yweggo wrote:For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.


I dunno. Megs seems to have his own sense of honor and propriety and I think rewind probably sparked something there.

Megs is strict and harsh but he very much seems fair and decent.[/quote]


or, you know, maybe just to Rewind? Remember how he was kind of nice to him?
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:55 am

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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:55 am

I hope this puts some Dominus Ambus/tarn speculation to rest. Rewind is talking about him TO MEGATRON. The one person who knows without a doubt who Tarn is. Pretty sure if he was Dominus Megatron would speak up.

Honestly? I think Megatron wants to go so he can find out if Terminus is dead
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:57 am

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MrBlack wrote:
Yweggo wrote:For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.

Megatron smiling is never a good sign. He wants to visit for reasons of his own.

This being James Roberts, I'm sure there is still some twist to Dominus Ambus yet to be revealed. I half wonder if Ten is somehow Dominus Ambus. It would help to explain his connection with Magnus (although that could just be because of both their connections to Tyrest), and it would be epically tragic to have a polymath like Dominus reduced to a being that essentially suffers from extreme autism. As to the how, I couldn't tell you. This theory is honestly pretty out there.

There must be a reason Megs wants to go. He wouldn't just go cause of Rewind. There is something else here :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Fri Aug 28, 2015 10:59 am

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Randomhero wrote:I hope this puts some Dominus Ambus/tarn speculation to rest. Rewind is talking about him TO MEGATRON. The one person who knows without a doubt who Tarn is. Pretty sure if he was Dominus Megatron would speak up.

Honestly? I think Megatron wants to go so he can find out if Terminus is dead

Naw, this is fanning the flames. Megatron konws him as Tarn, but for all we know HE does not know who's behind the mask. He only found out about the new Vos after the alternate lost light adventures, so it could be anything. Terminus would also be a cool thing for Megs :BOT:
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Re: IDW Transformers: More Than Meets The Eye #44 Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Fri Aug 28, 2015 11:08 am

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:
Randomhero wrote:I hope this puts some Dominus Ambus/tarn speculation to rest. Rewind is talking about him TO MEGATRON. The one person who knows without a doubt who Tarn is. Pretty sure if he was Dominus Megatron would speak up.

Honestly? I think Megatron wants to go so he can find out if Terminus is dead

Naw, this is fanning the flames. Megatron konws him as Tarn, but for all we know HE does not know who's behind the mask. He only found out about the new Vos after the alternate lost light adventures, so it could be anything. Terminus would also be a cool thing for Megs :BOT:


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It's like I've speculated before, there's only been one Tarn. The one we know is the first incarnation of Tarn and the original. While the DJD are a cast that replaces members and takes on the name of the previous, there's only ever been one Tarn. He has survived the entire life span of the justice division. It's why he's the leader of them and they follow his strict democratic form of leadership.
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