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[Big Grim]

Anyways I finished the second TPB for MTMTE. The stuff with Pharma and the rust virus thing was ok. Tailgates autobot education was really funny. And the Misfire and his scavenger pals versus Tarn and his crazy goons was great.

Drift is really cool. Whirl has some fantastic moments.

Fort Max going nuts was well nuts.

Poor Flywheels, lol

Also Swerve has a bar, brilliant.

Welcome to the boards!

Really glad to hear you're enjoying MTMTE. I utterly enjoyed it too!

[AlphaBass]

Can anyone pinpoint exactly where the TF series fell apart?

I got hooked on the 2nd half of Dark Cybertron and tried to read up on past stuff (only had time to check out LSoTW), and MTMTE was great for me. But I haven't been able to get into LL for whatever reason. I read here that LL sales are still going strong, so what was it?

And forgive me if I don't go back and re-read stuff, so the TL;DR version works for me

[Rodimus Prime]

Can anyone pinpoint exactly where the TF series fell apart?

I got hooked on the 2nd half of Dark Cybertron and tried to read up on past stuff (only had time to check out LSoTW), and MTMTE was great for me. But I haven't been able to get into LL for whatever reason. I read here that LL sales are still going strong, so what was it?

And forgive me if I don't go back and re-read stuff, so the TL;DR version works for me

It's a different place for most people, but for me it was after issue 40 of MTMTE. I had hoped that the final arc, Dying of the Light, would redeem the series, but that story ended up being toilet paper. And Titans Return was just flat.

I really hope someone with more talent takes over from Roberts after LL is over.

[Galactic Prime]

What specifically don’t you like about the comics by IDW, seems kind of pointless to just repeat that it’s garbage, eh?

Im only on book 3 of MTMTE but it seems like quality comics to me

I've described what I dislike about them already. It's just easier to repeat they're garbage than to post a list constantly about why seeing as I have done so already.

Then you do admit that your trolling senselessly. Good.
Highlight your words, 'easy repeat' & 'garbage'. Pointless & empty comments = Trolling.
Lest your daft or thick (which i do hope that your neither), that is what the admins & everyone is calling you out for.
A couple of comments above, you've just complimented Partholon leaving a good comment. & I do agree to an extent. It was a contextual comment with substance & reasoning. Class without insult and senseless trolling.

Maybe you should follow his example.
What now? You've done it earlier already? Cool. Wait, wait...proper repeat comments upon query doesn't suffice? Wait ... Its not easy?
Then be quiet if your lazy to repeat yourself in civil manner buddy. Easy.

You are no lonbger worth any further conversation. I no longer care what you think I'm doing. So stop trying to pick a fight and if you don't like what I post, ignore it.

[Galactic Prime]

At least in terms of online sales, I will lay this on the table:

Following Roberts on Twitter the past several years, at least in the UK, MTMTE/LL has actually really held its own online, usually coming in top 10 for the week it's published, usually alongside or beating things like Batman and other superheroes.

So online sales are huge with comics. I know more people who buy comics and books on a kindle than buy a physical copy, and when they do it's for a cover as a collectible item, not to read. I personally collect the TPBs for ease of buying and storage on my shelves.

Also, if we really are going to keep saying the current stuff is garbage, can we at least state the argument and then provide some new information as we go please? I appreciate the people who explain why they say stuff is good or bad, what they think comics should be and shouldn't be, in different ways responding to other's opinions. Repeating that something is garbage or that 1 point is your huge point and saying it over and over will do nothing for this conversation except annoy people so they stop reading it. Following the Facebook page, that is why our comics threads are much quieter now: people advertise to avoid them because of the shortness and the dismissiveness that make them not fun to visit. Just a request, please.

I'll tell you exactly why people stop following these threads and it's because if you don't fall into line as a good little agreeing monkey that everything that is released isn't loved then no one wants to hear from you.

The message boards of numerous sites come off as a bunch of yes men and if you're not one of them, you're told your trolling and get insulted over it.

[ZeroWolf]

Partholon disagreed and he's not getting insulted over it. A lot of it comes down to attitude. If you'd said that in your opinion you didn't like it, then that would be fine. People like myself will have asked why it didn't work for you and maybe had a discussion about it. Giving blunt answers and saying that everyone who likes it is "rubbish" is only going to get you hostility in return.

Look at Rodimus primes post, he doesn't like the way MTMTE/lost light ended up and thinks Roberts is a poor/unfitting writer for the series. I disagree with this but I don't attack him over it, neither does he attack others over sticking with the series. If you keep going on expecting a fight then it's no wonder you end up with so many of them.

Treat others how you yourself want to be treated.

[Galactic Prime]

Partholon disagreed and he's not getting insulted over it. A lot of it comes down to attitude. If you'd said that in your opinion you didn't like it, then that would be fine. People like myself will have asked why it didn't work for you and maybe had a discussion about it. Giving blunt answers and saying that everyone who likes it is "rubbish" is only going to get you hostility in return.

Look at Rodimus primes post, he doesn't like the way MTMTE/lost light ended up and thinks Roberts is a poor/unfitting writer for the series. I disagree with this but I don't attack him over it, neither does he attack others over sticking with the series. If you keep going on expecting a fight then it's no wonder you end up with so many of them.

Treat others how you yourself want to be treated.

That's exactly what I do, if you look back you'll see that I was openly insulted and attacked over my comments first. So I've only responded in kind. It's funny how people fail to see that.

Yes I called it garbage in my first post about it, it was still no reason for ANYONE to insult me over it, which was exactly what happened.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Also, if we really are going to keep saying the current stuff is garbage, can we at least state the argument and then provide some new information as we go please? I appreciate the people who explain why they say stuff is good or bad, what they think comics should be and shouldn't be, in different ways responding to other's opinions. Repeating that something is garbage or that 1 point is your huge point and saying it over and over will do nothing for this conversation except annoy people so they stop reading it. Following the Facebook page, that is why our comics threads are much quieter now: people advertise to avoid them because of the shortness and the dismissiveness that make them not fun to visit. Just a request, please.

I'll tell you exactly why people stop following these threads and it's because if you don't fall into line as a good little agreeing monkey that everything that is released isn't loved then no one wants to hear from you.

The message boards of numerous sites come off as a bunch of yes men and if you're not one of them, you're told your trolling and get insulted over it.[/quote]
No one here is telling you to be a yes man, we don't do that. There is respectful disagreement and then there is disrespectful and trolling disagreement, and over the past week you have continually been the latter. Others are in here disagreeing and telling their sides, and there have been no issues, the only issues being with you and your attitude.

so no, we are not telling you to be a yes man here, you can say your piece, but we ask that you do it respectively.

And now, as a staff member, I am going to ask you, and some of those who responded to you, to be more respectful and less trolling with the insulting of people and your opinions. We want your opinion, but we don't want it like how it's been coming across. Please clean up, so I don't have to bring Burn in here

Thank you.

[Galactic Prime]

Also, if we really are going to keep saying the current stuff is garbage, can we at least state the argument and then provide some new information as we go please? I appreciate the people who explain why they say stuff is good or bad, what they think comics should be and shouldn't be, in different ways responding to other's opinions. Repeating that something is garbage or that 1 point is your huge point and saying it over and over will do nothing for this conversation except annoy people so they stop reading it. Following the Facebook page, that is why our comics threads are much quieter now: people advertise to avoid them because of the shortness and the dismissiveness that make them not fun to visit. Just a request, please.

I'll tell you exactly why people stop following these threads and it's because if you don't fall into line as a good little agreeing monkey that everything that is released isn't loved then no one wants to hear from you.

The message boards of numerous sites come off as a bunch of yes men and if you're not one of them, you're told your trolling and get insulted over it.

No one here is telling you to be a yes man, we don't do that. There is respectful disagreement and then there is disrespectful and trolling disagreement, and over the past week you have continually been the latter. Others are in here disagreeing and telling their sides, and there have been no issues, the only issues being with you and your attitude.

so no, we are not telling you to be a yes man here, you can say your piece, but we ask that you do it respectively.

And now, as a staff member, I am going to ask you, and some of those who responded to you, to be more respectful and less trolling with the insulting of people and your opinions. We want your opinion, but we don't want it like how it's been coming across. Please clean up, so I don't have to bring Burn in here

Thank you.[/quote]

Responded VIA PM

[ZeroWolf]

Okay moving on...following on from what was put in the Unicron thread, looks like this part of tf history is coming to an end. It's sad that the adventures of the lost light are coming to an end, but I hope there's scope for a similar setup in the new continuity, even if it's told in tales four - six issues long.

[Galactic Prime]

Okay moving on...following on from what was put in the Unicron thread, looks like this part of tf history is coming to an end. It's sad that the adventures of the lost light are coming to an end, but I hope there's scope for a similar setup in the new continuity, even if it's told in tales four - six issues long.

I hope that whatever it is they do, they don't kill off characters willy nilly like they've been doing. As long as a character has a good and emotional well thought out death then that's fine.

It's when they do stupid stuff like cut the one guy in half who can go invisible, or knock a combiner out of combined mode when the guy can form a force field and let the members all get gunned down by their so-called allies from behind.

As long as that **** doesn't happen anymore.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Okay moving on...following on from what was put in the Unicron thread, looks like this part of tf history is coming to an end. It's sad that the adventures of the lost light are coming to an end, but I hope there's scope for a similar setup in the new continuity, even if it's told in tales four - six issues long.

I hope that whatever it is they do, they don't kill off characters willy nilly like they've been doing. As long as a character has a good and emotional well thought out death then that's fine.

It's when they do stupid stuff like cut the one guy in half who can go invisible, or knock a combiner out of combined mode when the guy can form a force field and let the members all get gunned down by their so-called allies from behind.

As long as that **** doesn't happen anymore.

I will agree with this point. the whole LL issue 12 wasn't very good to me, and it's up there as one of my least favorite issues of Transformers comics ever.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Hopefully the New Continuity won't treat Decepticons as Red Shirts either.

[ZeroWolf]

I'm still doubtful that events that transpired in that issue were as shown. It went as getaway imagined it would. Wouldn't surprise me that starsaber only beat defensor because getaway believed he could. We'll find out in due time, and if they are dead as shown then it is an out of place moment that reads as "um how do I sort this out..." but if things aren't as they seem then the approach will be justified. There could be other reasons as to why defensor went down so easy, like if starsaber had received some uber power up so he was stronger than a combiner, but again this will hopefully be explained.

[KorsO]

What specifically don’t you like about the comics by IDW, seems kind of pointless to just repeat that it’s garbage, eh?

Im only on book 3 of MTMTE but it seems like quality comics to me

I've described what I dislike about them already. It's just easier to repeat they're garbage than to post a list constantly about why seeing as I have done so already.

Then you do admit that your trolling senselessly. Good.
Highlight your words, 'easy repeat' & 'garbage'. Pointless & empty comments = Trolling.
Lest your daft or thick (which i do hope that your neither), that is what the admins & everyone is calling you out for.
A couple of comments above, you've just complimented Partholon leaving a good comment. & I do agree to an extent. It was a contextual comment with substance & reasoning. Class without insult and senseless trolling.

Maybe you should follow his example.
What now? You've done it earlier already? Cool. Wait, wait...proper repeat comments upon query doesn't suffice? Wait ... Its not easy?
Then be quiet if your lazy to repeat yourself in civil manner buddy. Easy.

You are no lonbger worth any further conversation. I no longer care what you think I'm doing. So stop trying to pick a fight and if you don't like what I post, ignore it.

Lol nor were you from the getgo.
No fight picking ever given nor you were worthy of one.
Just plain simple common sense of giving you back what you put out to others buddy.
Cheers.

[KorsO]

https://twitter.com/jroberts332/status/978738030663041024

Looking forward for the final 9 issues. Hope it goes out with a Huge satisfying payoff & all story threads (even the ones that 'seems' to be done to be fairly paid off. *fingers crossed*

[Ironhidensh]

Okay moving on...following on from what was put in the Unicron thread, looks like this part of tf history is coming to an end. It's sad that the adventures of the lost light are coming to an end, but I hope there's scope for a similar setup in the new continuity, even if it's told in tales four - six issues long.

I hope that whatever it is they do, they don't kill off characters willy nilly like they've been doing. As long as a character has a good and emotional well thought out death then that's fine.

It's when they do stupid stuff like cut the one guy in half who can go invisible, or knock a combiner out of combined mode when the guy can form a force field and let the members all get gunned down by their so-called allies from behind.

As long as that **** doesn't happen anymore.

I will agree with this point. the whole LL issue 12 wasn't very good to me, and it's up there as one of my least favorite issues of Transformers comics ever.

I'll join in the agreement on this. Totally out of place and didn't seem to have any reasoning to go with it........



Which is why I'm also with ZeroWolf in thinking this didn't really happen, or at least not quite as told. It would fit with Robert's style to be some sort of curve.

[ScottyP]

Can anyone pinpoint exactly where the TF series fell apart?

It didn't. Its fanbase did.

[Ironhidensh]

Can anyone pinpoint exactly where the TF series fell apart?

It didn't. Its fanbase did.

*likes post*

[starfishy]

Welcome to the boards!

Really glad to hear you're enjoying MTMTE. I utterly enjoyed it too!

Thanks!

And yeah, I’m really enjoying this. Just finished the third TPB.

Some random thoughts

Ultra Magnus- “you let whirl inside my body?” and then the panel of Ultra Magnus giving a big grin, lol

The bit with cyclonus telling rewind the creation story was neat.

The entire Shadowplay story was excellent, amazing, hilarious. Some background for chromedome, skids, whirl, and drift.

Tailgate-“pax is so cool”
Swerve-“more of this, please. more jumping off roofs. rooves, roofs. more jumping off things.”

Tailgate takes notes, and doesn’t know that orion pax is optimus prime, lol

[KorsO]

Welcome to the boards!

Really glad to hear you're enjoying MTMTE. I utterly enjoyed it too!

Thanks!

And yeah, I’m really enjoying this. Just finished the third TPB.

Some random thoughts

Ultra Magnus- “you let whirl inside my body?” and then the panel of Ultra Magnus giving a big grin, lol

The bit with cyclonus telling rewind the creation story was neat.

The entire Shadowplay story was excellent, amazing, hilarious. Some background for chromedome, skids, whirl, and drift.

Tailgate-“pax is so cool”
Swerve-“more of this, please. more jumping off roofs. rooves, roofs. more jumping off things.”

Tailgate takes notes, and doesn’t know that orion pax is optimus prime, lol

Lol, real awesome structured writing. Punchlines upon punchlines. Cant recall finding this level witty writing in other TF titles. Hope it continues.

[Rodimus Prime]

Can anyone pinpoint exactly where the TF series fell apart?

It didn't. Its fanbase did.

That's one point of view. Another is that a section of the fanbase got tired of being sold toilet paper disguised as a TF comic.

[WreckerJack]

I could make so many comments here but I will resist stinking up the boards with bathroom humor.

[Big Grim]

Stuff

There really is a tell of a lot of gold. Enjoyed Autobot Megatron on the ship as well.

The art tends to be great. It's amazed me how you can have such a range of expressions on a robots face when he has a visor AND a mouthplate. And Rung is great. Yay! Eyebrows!

[AllNewSuperRobot]

Can anyone pinpoint exactly where the TF series fell apart?

It didn't. Its fanbase did.

That's one point of view. Another is that a section of the fanbase got tired of being sold toilet paper disguised as a TF comic.

AHM, The Costa Run or both?