Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way), or is it just cheap narrative tricks? It just felt too easy. I'm repeating myself.
Flashwave wrote:Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way), or is it just cheap narrative tricks? It just felt too easy. I'm repeating myself.
I mean, its amazing what you can get away with ehn youbhave ine of those [s]Men in Black Memory Wiper thingies [/s] Nudge Guns.
"I don't agree with this!" *Flash* "Whatvwas I saying?"
"You were hust agreeing with me."
"I was? Okay..."
Makes me want to go back to the MTMTE book where Ultra Magnus and Tailgate mention Thought Warfare. Just how far had Roberts planned this?
But yes. The implication from way back to Atomizer and Hot Rod (the vote list) is that Atomizer is that good. Maybe it would help if we had a pre established character with a history of being a huckster or a con artist like Hubcap (who is used) or Circuit (also already in use) instead of a new character and a relatively blank slate G1 guy.
Randomhero wrote:I have huge problem with this comic and I feel I need to elaborate it. It’s regarding Froide and Sunder. I’m going to try and explain myself and my burning hatred for these two showing up.
1. Sunder
2. SUNDER!!!!! Seriously what the f&$@?!?! Why is he still on that ship! He has the power to use his mind and eyes to make you relive your worst memories, turn you inside out and into a beach ball or even kill you. The beach ball is legitimately worse probably. Why is he there and repaired. rung shot out his eyes- the key to his power- and had a shuttle thrown on him. After he turned a bunch of crew into inside out beach balls and terrorized the ship you’re telling me they repaired him. Nobody, not rodimus, not magnus or anyone didn’t just walk up him flat like a pancake after the rodpod smashed him and just stepped on his brain. He’s a serial killer that just terrorized and tortured the crew of the lost light without even touching them. I find it hard to believe.
3. Hes repaired. Even his eyes. When he’s reintroduced in this issue fully repaired...WITH HIS EYES! That thing that allowed him to torture and kill people and he’s casually walking from the brig to Rungs office with no security on panel. Are you kidding me? HE HAS HIS EYES! HES WALKING AROUND! Even with security we’ve seen that doesn’t matter because he’ll turn anyone he looks at into inside out beach balls!
4. He’s a drug addict. He’s addicted to memeories. He needs them like a crackhead needs crack and he’s once again just casually walking around chit chatting while Getaway is brokering a deal.
5. The deal. Let’s not kid ourselves, the moment Getaway said no deal he would have turned him into a beach ball, then Froide, then atomizer, then riptide and raped and pillaged the ship of memories until they were all dead....BECAUSE THEY LET HIM OUT WITH HIS EYES!
6. Froide. Froide is an interesting dude with his own problems but he was betrayed and turned into a beach ball too and here he is back to normal standing next to monster mash like nothing happened and even joining in on the graveyard smash. Seriously it’s like nothing happened a couple months ago. I don’t care how much of a nut ball you are you wouldn’t be standing next to him WITH HIS EYES INTACT and encouraging him to keep doing it.
Okay I’m done.
Nope, and I think what's being shown is playing on Getaway's secret squirrel side. Getaway is charismatic but has an inflated sense of self worth, and is very reliant on gadgets to the point where I think he's going to forget how far they've gotten him.Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way)
ScottyP wrote:Nope, and I think what's being shown is playing on Getaway's secret squirrel side. Getaway is charismatic but has an inflated sense of self worth, and is very reliant on gadgets to the point where I think he's going to forget how far they've gotten him.Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way)
Atomizer isn't super great at either, I mean he misses his intended target spot on Thunderclash at really close range. Atomizer strikes me as a weak willed hanger-on that's placed his bet with Getaway. So far it has him punching way above his weight class, the little he even has to do said figurative punching.
Randomhero wrote:EXACTLY!
Just like how killlmaster was conveniently on the Necroworld even though whirl admitted to killing him (a very bland and under whelming death only for that to be a lie in which made no sense because if whirl had lied he would have made it an extravagant kill like he has before like in spotlight trailcutter). A world that was displaced by a weapon he conveniently created and a weapon that also conveniently can get them home except when they get home he was nowhere to be found even though the laws of the wand is transporting to a pocket dimension in their universe but is treated as a dimension hopping device for the sake of plot expediency
ricemazter wrote:It's weird because despite being hailed as one of the continuity kings in his writing, Roberts keeps bringing back these minor yet interesting plot points and characters that he really should just leave alone to the readers imagination for the most part.
(W) James Roberts (A) Jack Lawrence (CA) Livio Ramondelli
NO TURNING BACK! Getaway has crossed one too many lines and made one too many enemies. Hunted down on his own ship, the master manipulator has one last trick of his sleeve-something so shocking, so audacious, that it would put the most evil Decepticon to shame. No one is safe as the Mutineers Trilogy reaches its jaw-dropping climax.
In Shops: Dec 27, 2017
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:As a small side note to end my post, I don't know why, but the political commentary from Roberts this issue made me twitch ever so slightly.
Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way)
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Also, you make me raise a point I wanted to mention: Atomizer.
Atomizer is a dirtbag. What is his goal. Why is he even.
ArmadaPrime wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:As a small side note to end my post, I don't know why, but the political commentary from Roberts this issue made me twitch ever so slightly.
Honestly likewise. I don't disagree with it and have appreciated it before, but the direct quoting of both "fake news" and "strong and stable" was a little too on the nose for my taste, especially as whenever they're used by anyone but Trump/May now it's generally as a joke. Then again as the review says, perhaps in the current climate throwing subtlety to the wind is somewhat appropriate...Va'al wrote:Are Getaway and Atomizer really That Good at manipulation (verbal, mental, any other way)
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Also, you make me raise a point I wanted to mention: Atomizer.
Atomizer is a dirtbag. What is his goal. Why is he even.
Atomiser? Nah, but Getaway? Absolutely. The opening scene (featured in the issues preview) makes me feel legit a bit uncomfortable because of how spot on a depiction Getaway is of genuine real-life manipulative people I've know.
As far as what Atomisers role is... we've known he's been unhappy with the captaincy since Dark Cybertron, but beyond that he just seems like a stirrer, I guess? Even from issue 1 Magnus warned not to trust him with a crossbow. Perhaps he's just jealous of rodders having an identical colourscheme, and when purple-rod shows up again they'll be best of friends.
As for the scraplets, I was totslly under the impression that they were Whirl's baby from the Christmas issue? Granted, those weren't red, but I'm pretty sure they ended up in the medbay and it would explain the semi-domestication.
Other brief thougts:
Percy saying "it wouldn't be proper" to use Brainstorms lab warmed my heart
Getaway specifically making riptide forget how to transform, rather than the standard last-5-minutes, seems like it... wouldn't work? Brainstorm seems like the only one who both could and would make that kinda mod to the gun, and he's hardly around. Perhaps this will lead into #12 (or even a later return for boaty mcboatface). Either that or it is just Suddenly A Thing It Can Do, in which case I might finally have to hope on the lazy-plot-device bus.
Scotty, "Grapple lifts things" had me in stitches and earned me a few odd looks on my commute
william-james88 wrote:Thanks to Previews World, we now have images of two more covers for Transformers: Lost Light #12. The B cover is done by Nick Roche while the 10 incentive cover is done by Livio Ramondelli. Issue 12 is due next month right after Christmas and will feature the third part of the Mutineers Trilogy, which is all about finally getting back to the Lost Light, proper. Hopefully the presence of Megatron on the cover means something.
Here is the solicit for this particular issue:(W) James Roberts (A) Jack Lawrence (CA) Livio Ramondelli
NO TURNING BACK! Getaway has crossed one too many lines and made one too many enemies. Hunted down on his own ship, the master manipulator has one last trick of his sleeve-something so shocking, so audacious, that it would put the most evil Decepticon to shame. No one is safe as the Mutineers Trilogy reaches its jaw-dropping climax.
In Shops: Dec 27, 2017
Randomhero wrote:Actually the scraplets are not from the Christmas issue and not whirls baby. The scraplets in this issue date back aaaaaaaall the way from the start of MTMTE when it was subtly mentioned that they had a red scraplet infestation on the ship. The scraplets in the Christmas issue weren’t red like you said. Color is a thing. And one was seen in issue sixteen in a single panel of rewinds farewell to chromosome.
ArmadaPrime wrote:Randomhero wrote:Actually the scraplets are not from the Christmas issue and not whirls baby. The scraplets in this issue date back aaaaaaaall the way from the start of MTMTE when it was subtly mentioned that they had a red scraplet infestation on the ship. The scraplets in the Christmas issue weren’t red like you said. Color is a thing. And one was seen in issue sixteen in a single panel of rewinds farewell to chromosome.
Good spot! I'd missed that entirely .
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:I've pretty much come around to Va'al's way of thinking on the series. At first I was looking forward to finding out getaways motivations, intentions, and ultimate plans. he has now been made so over-the-top evil, in a very cartoonish way ,that a lot of the enjoyment has been lost for me. What he does doesn't matter, he is just a manipulative bad guy, his moral standing has eroded. Too much work to make him look worse than Megatron.
In hindsight, I do feel as if I was manipulated into liking Megatron. It would have worked much better if we had done some sort of retcon to where he hadn't been a genocidal despot for eons. Robert's excellent writing of the character made you forget the bad, and I feel a bit off on that.
It's hard to put into words. I'm enjoying this new story, but still feel a bit let down.
Va'al wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:I've pretty much come around to Va'al's way of thinking on the series. At first I was looking forward to finding out getaways motivations, intentions, and ultimate plans. he has now been made so over-the-top evil, in a very cartoonish way ,that a lot of the enjoyment has been lost for me. What he does doesn't matter, he is just a manipulative bad guy, his moral standing has eroded. Too much work to make him look worse than Megatron.
In hindsight, I do feel as if I was manipulated into liking Megatron. It would have worked much better if we had done some sort of retcon to where he hadn't been a genocidal despot for eons. Robert's excellent writing of the character made you forget the bad, and I feel a bit off on that.
It's hard to put into words. I'm enjoying this new story, but still feel a bit let down.
That last line is crucial: I'm still on board with following the story, but I have an extremely bitter aftertaste with everything concerning the current Lost Light (vessel) happenings. To the point where I'm dreading the next issue - I've not always been a fan of Roberts' endings, and I am very worried about what can happen at this point.
(He made LL#6 work, for me, though I recognise a lot of people were mightily annoyed at the lack of any judgement or punishment for Megatron, who essentially gets a get out free card because charisma. But that's really the one ending I found worked, out of a lot of MTMTE and LL plots.)
You know this for certain? I'm inclined to agree that it's simply unused art, but I can't say for sure. And the way Megatron "left" was kind of unfinished. Like there could have been more, something more final. But then again, this is Roberts writing, so we can't expect high quality story telling.Nik Hero wrote:Nope, that cover with Megatron likely has nothing to do with the story
WreckerJack wrote:Cover B looks awesome. I am guessing that would be Mirage covered in energon 'blood'.
(I need to catch up on my Lost Light, have had a lot of stuff going on lately. Hopefully later in the week I can sneak off and grab them.)
IDW was kind enough to allow me to show off my cover for #LostLight issue 12. I too wanted in on the combiner action since I don't get to draw them much. I also had fun with the characters interacting with the logo Awesome colours by Josh Perez .
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