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[Va'al]

I love the new/old character that Lug and Anode meet! Even if Anode still does rub me the wrong way. And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this issue feature more fembots than male 'bots? At least until the last few pages?

It did! It was a nice little slice of life in the TF verse.

[Randomhero]

I really wish I could say I was surprised by the ending but I'm so fed up with fake deaths and resurrections it's just become the norm with roberts anymore. Kill a character and a year or two down the road and they're back. Sometimes it's the very next issue. It's just another tiresome thing.

[ricemazter]

I really wish I could say I was surprised by the ending but I'm so fed up with fake deaths and resurrections it's just become the norm with roberts anymore. Kill a character and a year or two down the road and they're back. Sometimes it's the very next issue. It's just another tiresome thing.

If I can ask, what happened? I don't plan on picking this one up.

[Cmdr. Trailblazer]

I really wish I could say I was surprised by the ending but I'm so fed up with fake deaths and resurrections it's just become the norm with roberts anymore. Kill a character and a year or two down the road and they're back. Sometimes it's the very next issue. It's just another tiresome thing.

If I can ask, what happened? I don't plan on picking this one up.

It's revealed that Nautica is looking for a way to resurrect Skids at the very end. If that does indeed happen, I'm gonna be very disappointed. Wolfman has a point, Roberts (or maybe just comics in general) have a habit of bringing back 'dead' characters. However, if Skids is brought back, I think it'll make his death and sacrifice worthless.

[ricemazter]

I really wish I could say I was surprised by the ending but I'm so fed up with fake deaths and resurrections it's just become the norm with roberts anymore. Kill a character and a year or two down the road and they're back. Sometimes it's the very next issue. It's just another tiresome thing.

If I can ask, what happened? I don't plan on picking this one up.

It's revealed that Nautica is looking for a way to resurrect Skids at the very end. If that does indeed happen, I'm gonna be very disappointed. Wolfman has a point, Roberts (or maybe just comics in general) have a habit of bringing back 'dead' characters. However, if Skids is brought back, I think it'll make his death and sacrifice worthless.

Oh, yeah that would be cliche and make one of the main events from an only okay arc of the series pointless.

Here's my prediction: Skids will be brought back, but it will be some kind of monkey's paw deal, where skids will be altered in some way, evil, brain dead, etc. Then, the crew will deal with that for a while before turning him back to normal in a tear filled "we missed you" scene. Nautica will probably be hugging him.

[Randomhero]

For me it's a 50/50

Someone will show up and tell nautica she needs to accept and let go andcome to race with skids death

Or

Skids will be resurrected because he is the only real connection to "Cyberutopia" because he saw it and there's still something there. I said a year ago when he died that's gonna affect something with taking him out of the picture.

[Randomhero]

If you're losing interest in MTMTE/LL because you're not thrilled with where it's going this issue won't change your mind. That my opinion at least.

The first couple pages of Velocity and Nautica were cute but did absolutely nothing and told us nothing about them that we didn't already know while Anode and Lugs origins are given word bubbles.

It's just talking heads. I gave up after I saw word bubble after word bubble after word bubble and just skimmed the issue and waited for the wiki to summarize it which has always been one of my major criticisms about Roberts. He wants to tell you instead of showing you.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I was also sort of let down by the issue. I don't know anymore, it's like for every good thing, there is an inexcusable bad thing.

I mean, come on! Skids death was final, meant to be so, and was so meaningful. Similar thing with Ravage and Trailcutter. and how we are trying to resurrect him? If he does come back, that is scrap and it basically ruins Dying of the Light. If he is nearly brought back but somehow goes back to the afterspark,
or if Nautica needs to die for him to come back, ok I can give a little there.

Now I do like where we are going with the warworlds, the things from issues 7 and 46, we are getting somewhere. And Flame is back, nice

[Randomhero]

I was also sort of let down by the issue. I don't know anymore, it's like for every good thing, there is an inexcusable bad thing.

I mean, come on! Skids death was final, meant to be so, and was so meaningful. Similar thing with Ravage and Trailcutter. and how we are trying to resurrect him? If he does come back, that is scrap and it basically ruins Dying of the Light. If he is nearly brought back but somehow goes back to the afterspark,
or if Nautica needs to die for him to come back, ok I can give a little there.

Now I do like where we are going with the warworlds, the things from issues 7 and 46, we are getting somewhere. And Flame is back, nice

Those weren't war worlds they're D-class world sweepers but yeah having Flame show up raises some questions and possibly answers some. He was last seen in on a flashback on trial in LSOTW which means he was there when the decepticons laid siege to it and who else was there? Grimlock. Where was Grimlock found? on a Symbol ship. And what have this mysterious faction been flying around in? symbol ships. That last page was the only page I felt was interesting.

[ArmadaPrime]

Man, after a lot of issues that felt so close to being what I look for in MTMTELL, this really hit the spot. Mysteries, answers, character moments- all around marvelous.

Anode and Lug's reveal was very well handled- according to Robert's twitter he reached out to those with more experience than him to figure out how best to approach it, and the dedication & research show. Plus, it had been a personal theory/hope of mine for ages so I'm very pleased

The whole thing with Skids, Nautica, and the Resus Cradle I feel could either play out very well or very poorly- I have enough faith in Roberts to think the former. I think ricemazter might be on the money with the monkey's paw comparison, it would be very MTMTE for this to turn into a be-careful-what-you-wish-for situation. I don't think it will end that well though- I'm imagining either the cost of bringing him back will be too great, or if we go full horror he could come back as a corpse they have to kill again. Brutal. Either way, I doubt he'll be returning to the cast. Also damn Nautica, carrying around a dude's brain in your eye socket is freaking hardcore.

Most interesting to a mythos-theorising nerd like me though is the Knights' symbols. It's something I'd thought possible for a while, but the reveal of those clearly shows imo that the Knights follow the Guiding Hand, each clan a different member. The bottom right is unmistakably Mortilus' head. The question remains then- who/what exactly does the Gear symbol we've seen a lot represent, and what does that imply about this Grand Architect who's name keeps cropping up?

[Stormshot_Prime]

So the crew is long gone from Necroworld, how have they not managed to contact Cybertron by this point? It's good to see the quest actually someaby back on track, it's about time after nearly a whole year.

I've got to say, I'm not a fan of the whole trans/queer robot thing that Roberts and others have been introducing lately. We have aliens whose lifespans are seemingly infinite (at least in the IDWverse) expressing a lot of overly human feelings and angst. A race with no concept of gender, a race without the need for gender or sexual identity is what we've known Cybertronian to be all these years. I was fine with

Chromedome and Rewind; a huge fan actually. They presented a couple of genderless alien beings in love without making the whole affair seem overly human. But with recent happenings in TAAO and now LL, it feels like the writers are trying to present a very human problem in a way that just doesn't make sense. The endless same "sex" relationships and suddenly transsexual robots really feels like a PC stunt at best, personal social justice warrior-ing at worst.

[Kurona]

Transformers have had a concept of gender ever since the first Marvel issue referred to Optimus Prime as a 'he'. If they have enough of a concept to describe each other with such pronouns, it's really not that much of a stretch to believe some would end up preferring different pronouns later in their lives.

[Stormshot_Prime]

Most interesting to a mythos-theorising nerd like me though is the Knights' symbols. It's something I'd thought possible for a while, but the reveal of those clearly shows imo that the Knights follow the Guiding Hand, each clan a different member. The bottom right is unmistakably Mortilus' head. The question remains then- who/what exactly does the Gear symbol we've seen a lot represent, and what does that imply about this Grand Architect who's name keeps cropping up?

If I had to guess, the bots with the cog symbol follow Adaptus. From what we've seen with the half-form protoforms and other interesting things inside the WorldSweepers, this sect of the Knights is trying to change Cybertronian physiology on a cellular level. Maybe each "chapter" of the Knights has twisted the views/beliefs of the Guiding Hand member they follow/worship. Just speculation though.

[Daniel Adkins]

Transgender robots = Awesome.

*micdrop*

[Kurona]

Transgender robots = Awesome.

*micdrop*

We desperately need a 'like' button.

[Deadput]

And now we can make the joke about Trans-formers with emphasis on the trans amiritegys?

"sigh" Why can't we just stay simple with there being only two genders and media not sucking up to the popular trends of the year damn it Roberts.

I might be bias though since besides being in a Christian family I'm personally very much against the concept of people deciding what gender they are and ignoring science and biology like their god like I don't care if you think your an attack Helicopter or an alien your born either a boy or a girl that's the way it's always been and how God intended it to be so why are we only now doing this stuff for the last couple years?

Sorry if I'm getting political or being self centered I don't like being that but this subject is just wrong and unnatural to me and in my opinion those people need help and not encouragement.

Transformers have had a concept of gender ever since the first Marvel issue referred to Optimus Prime as a 'he'. If they have enough of a concept to describe each other with such pronouns, it's really not that much of a stretch to believe some would end up preferring different pronouns later in their lives.

Only real reason for that besides toys and humanizing them is that there isn't really any terms when it comes to genderless or other gendered people like there is for people being referred as him and her among other terms.

Hard to write a character like that without calling them it and making them seam less alive.

[Deadput]

Transgender robots = Awesome.

*micdrop*

Awesome how? Just wondering since you don't go into detail.

Plus Awesome is an opinion and therefore subjective.

[Daniel Adkins]

And now we can make the joke about Trans-formers with emphasis on the trans amiritegys?

"sigh" Why can't we just stay simple with there being only two genders and media not sucking up to the popular trends of the year damn it Roberts.

I might be bias though since besides being in a Christian family I'm personally very much against the concept of people deciding what gender they are and ignoring science and biology like their god like I don't care if you think your an attack Helicopter or an alien your born either a boy or a girl that's the way it's always been and how God intended it to be so why are we only now doing this stuff for the last couple years?

Sorry if I'm getting political or being self centered I don't like being that but this subject is just wrong and unnatural to me and in my opinion those people need help and not encouragement.

Transformers have had a concept of gender ever since the first Marvel issue referred to Optimus Prime as a 'he'. If they have enough of a concept to describe each other with such pronouns, it's really not that much of a stretch to believe some would end up preferring different pronouns later in their lives.

Only real reason for that besides toys and humanizing them is that there isn't really any terms when it comes to genderless or other gendered people like there is for people being referred as him and her among other terms.

Hard to write a character like that without calling them it and making them seam less alive.

Except there is a word: "they."

Also, gender is a construct. There's more than two genders.

With that, I must board a plane. Please don't go to hell, Thread!

EDIT: And awesome because it's more representation for transgender fans.

[Deadput]

Except there is a word: "they."

Ehhhhhhhh but the way you can write or talk is very limited anyways due to lack of words in the English dictionary.

"He went to the store and bought a soda just for him."

Compared to

"They went to the store and bought a soda just for (blank)" I can't come up with anything else to fill that space besides it.

[Daniel Adkins]

"They went to the store and bought soda for themselves." The same you would refer to the plural they.

[Deadput]

"They went to the store and bought soda for themselves." The same you would refer to the plural they.

I guess but I still stand by the fact there is a lot more terminology and therefore easier to write about males and females then about other genders or genderless people.

[Rodimus Prime]

Alright, this won't devolve into pointless social or religious bickering. You each have your opinions, please respect the other person's. Keep it Lost Light related.

Also, gender is a construct. There's more than two genders.

Where in the Transformers franchise has it ever been specified what gender a character is? The closest to gender identification any of them ever came was when they were referred to as "he" or "she" and nothing else.

[Kurona]

I would please advise you to not bring out the "ignoring science and biology card" until you actually understand said science and biology, since they do state that there are more than two genders and that being transgender is a real thing. An extremely simplified biological model you were taught in fourth grade is not a valid source when discussing this sort of thing.

I would very much prefer to keep politics out of this completely and say that if you find Trans people icky, either grow up or read something else and leave the subject at that, but I find it very irksome when someone pulls the "science and biology" card when they clearly demonstrate they don't understand it at all.

Now please, if we could get the conversation back to the comic itself without going into a quote-on-quote debate about a much more serious issue, that would be quite lovely.

[Rodimus Prime]

either grow up or read something else and leave the subject at that.

There's no need for insults. Just because you don't agree with his opinion, doesn't mean he can't state it, just like you can state yours even if he doesn't agree.

I will say it once more: back to the Lost Light. No more of this subject in this thread.

[Deadput]

either grow up or read something else and leave the subject at that.

There's no need for insults. Just because you don't agree with his opinion, doesn't mean he can't state it, just like you can state yours even if he doesn't agree.

I will say it once more: back to the Lost Light. No more of this subject in this thread.

Alright I won't say anything else regarding that subject I said what I wanted to say but I would like to point out that it's difficult to talk about this part of the book without getting political about it.