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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby synapse » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:30 am

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synapse wrote:I know, that's what bothers me. Megatron's spark was modified for mass displacement, Prowl's wasn't (not that we know of, anyway). As it took Shockwave centuries to perfect the combiner tech, he could have modified the Constructicons' sparks before the AHM series, ok fine... but why do all TF artists seem to LOVE making the combiners ridiculously huge when there's no need? Only Figueroa seemed to deliberately draw Monstructor right (or at least, right size) in Spotlight: Optimus Prime.

Oh well...


Dramatic effect.


There's using perspective for making specific things or character look bigger or more imposing... and there's putting 2 characters standing next to each other and being the same size one pannel, and one of them looking 10 times as big as the other the next pannel.

Whatever. I seem to be one of the few people who dislike this "artistic habit".
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Jan 22, 2015 3:33 am

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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby BERSEKAEL » Thu Jan 22, 2015 4:33 am

so thats devastator? weird head sculpt >:oP
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby Dr. Caelus » Thu Jan 22, 2015 5:53 am

synapse wrote:I know, that's what bothers me. Megatron's spark was modified for mass displacement, Prowl's wasn't (not that we know of, anyway). As it took Shockwave centuries to perfect the combiner tech, he could have modified the Constructicons' sparks before the AHM series, ok fine... but why do all TF artists seem to LOVE making the combiners ridiculously huge when there's no need? Only Figueroa seemed to deliberately draw Monstructor right (or at least, right size) in Spotlight: Optimus Prime.

Oh well...


Here's an explanation that doesn't require the 'artistic license' cop out:

Megatron's spark was modified for Mass Displacement, true. As were Soundwave, the cassettes, etc. The key here is "Displacement". The IDW authors have been fairly thorough, as far as I recall, in saying "Mass Displacement" and not "Mass Shifting", which to me means they want to clarify that shunting part of a robot's mass somewhere else ('subspace' I guess) is established Transformers tech, but that it's fairly rare and consumes a lot of energy.

Examples of IDW transformers mass shifting upward (growing larger than their default form) are few and far between, and often wind up being ambiguous. Early in the comics, Broadside and Astrotrain were depicted as enormous in robot mode. Likewise, in robot mode, the seekers were depicted as larger than the Autobot cars are in robot mode. In all these cases, the characters that turn into big vehicles are big in robot mode, but not as much larger as they should be (e.g., Starscream should be about three times taller than Bumblebee), which would require them mass-shifting upward to Transform.

I would say that the fact that the size distinction was made at all is significant (the cartoon, after all, always had the seekers and the cars the same height), and the fact that the distinction is not as drastic as it realistically should be, that is attributable to artistic license pragmatism. In other words, I think IDW has wanted to emphasize 'mass displacement' as an exotic technology, and attribute any sort of apparent growth when transforming to alternate mode to an expanding or contracting structure that changes volume while maintaining a constant mass. Megatron actually displaces most of his mass when transforming into a gun, but Starscream only reduces his density by sliding around some plates when he turns into a jet fighter - like unfolding a box.

But then you have Devastator, who in his first appearance in All Hail Megatron is described as this super-special uber weapon. So, what makes him special?

It might be difficult to re-engineer a Transformer to turn into a body-part forcibly, but that was the case with Ambulon - he turns into a foot, but apparently the process failed on some other level.

So maybe it's difficult to engineer someone to link up with someone else? It'd be strange for humans, but Sonic and Boom did it in MTMTE, and while Ratchet was surprised, it wasn't like he regarded it as fringe crazy mad science.

So maybe it's the mental aspect, connecting all of those minds? Swindle tried his hand with Menasor, who was fairly intimidating one on one, but who didn't mesh mentally, with all of his constituent parts actively bickering over what to do - but that could have been resolved by using the process on five individuals who don't have diagnosable mental disorders. Given, that could be a stumbling block for the Decepticons, but if the secret of combination were just group therapy, I think they'd have had more success (or started lobotomizing their troops).

So what made Devastator (and we find out later his predecessor Monstructor, special?)

They both mass shift upward.

Really, five guys grabbing onto each other to make a bigger guy doesn't really mean much in a war. Like I said in another thread, if five large men combined into one guy, you'd maybe get a person the size of a small cow, and cows while formidable one on one against unarmed, intoxicated opponents, are not war machines. Five people merging their minds, that could be really useful, but by and large, that ends up being the combiner's weaknesses, not their strength.

Five normal guys combining and grow into something the size of Godzilla, though, now that's a strategic asset.

When the Constructicons attacked New York, they plowed through the streets in vehicle mode, maneuvering between the buildings easily, and when they combined, the mass increase itself would have been like a bomb going off - except it'd be like a bomb that just kept going after it detonated.

So, I think the point is that it's not the physical act of combination that is special, or coveted, or difficult to master - the point is that when combination is done 'right' it somehow allows the combined whole access to something more, something that allows it to grow to literally mythic proportions. Maybe it requires five or six sparks to power the transformation, or maybe there's some sort of primal safeguard where the ability to grow is only unlocked when multiple Cybertronians work together.
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby synapse » Thu Jan 22, 2015 6:38 am

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Uh... ok man, look, I'm happy with ANY explanatiion. As long as writers bother giving us any. Just as simple as "gestalt tech requires tons of enery and increasing mass/size, well done Shockwave, my friend!". But I guess artists just assume combiners must be humongous, no matter what the individual members were like just a second before combining. I mean, Prowlstator's HEAD was much bigger than the whole Ironhide. Just the head!! Which means Prowl had become like 10 times bigger than Ironhide. No explanation at all.

Yeah yeah I know, gigantic alien robots and I make a fuss about their size. Whatever. I may like Batman but I like GOOD Batman stories, not just anything the writers decide to do with the character, that's all.
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby Optimizzy » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:13 am

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synapse wrote:Uh... ok man, look, I'm happy with ANY explanatiion. As long as writers bother giving us any. Just as simple as "gestalt tech requires tons of enery and increasing mass/size, well done Shockwave, my friend!". But I guess artists just assume combiners must be humongous, no matter what the individual members were like just a second before combining. I mean, Prowlstator's HEAD was much bigger than the whole Ironhide. Just the head!! Which means Prowl had become like 10 times bigger than Ironhide. No explanation at all.

Yeah yeah I know, gigantic alien robots and I make a fuss about their size. Whatever. I may like Batman but I like GOOD Batman stories, not just anything the writers decide to do with the character, that's all.



Well in that vein, good stories don't have to have everything spelled out. A good story is one that grabs you and you find interesting. Honestly, I think the artists are trying to get across "gestalt equals power". Think about how much bigger Godzilla is in the new movie. He's like several magnitudes bigger. That's because if he was the original size he'd be dwarfed by the city he was placed in and the audience would not see him as the cataclysmic threat. Same is with the gestalts. In reality, they would be maybe three or four times the height of a regular transformer, but that's not as threatening as making them truly humongous.

Complaining about the size at this point is nitpicking about a detail, not about the story. It's ok to do, but it's still a nitpick.
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby jogunwarrior » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:04 am

A couple of quick thoughts and a question:

- That is some of the best Ramondelli art I've ever seen on those covers. I am not usually a fan of his style but those covers are dynamic and gorgeous.

- I really want an IDW inspired Getaway toy...it'll stop me from constantly and unsuccessfully trying to obtain the 07/08 Wal-Mart Exclusive Breakaway.

- Who are the two bots with Ironhide underneath Devastators foot. Are they anyone I should recognize?
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby Optimizzy » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:10 am

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I think one is longtooth and the other is circuit?
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby padfoo » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:40 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:I think they do it on purpose for the point of giant robots fighting...which means from a human perspective they will be godzilla sized (will that be tge next IDW crossover? Godzilla vs Combiner Wars? )


Getting close to Metroplex size at least!
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby padfoo » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:13 am

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synapse wrote:Uh... ok man, look, I'm happy with ANY explanatiion. As long as writers bother giving us any. Just as simple as "gestalt tech requires tons of enery and increasing mass/size, well done Shockwave, my friend!". But I guess artists just assume combiners must be humongous, no matter what the individual members were like just a second before combining. I mean, Prowlstator's HEAD was much bigger than the whole Ironhide. Just the head!! Which means Prowl had become like 10 times bigger than Ironhide. No explanation at all.

Yeah yeah I know, gigantic alien robots and I make a fuss about their size. Whatever. I may like Batman but I like GOOD Batman stories, not just anything the writers decide to do with the character, that's all.



Well in that vein, good stories don't have to have everything spelled out. A good story is one that grabs you and you find interesting. Honestly, I think the artists are trying to get across "gestalt equals power". Think about how much bigger Godzilla is in the new movie. He's like several magnitudes bigger. That's because if he was the original size he'd be dwarfed by the city he was placed in and the audience would not see him as the cataclysmic threat. Same is with the gestalts. In reality, they would be maybe three or four times the height of a regular transformer, but that's not as threatening as making them truly humongous.

Complaining about the size at this point is nitpicking about a detail, not about the story. It's ok to do, but it's still a nitpick.

For me its not a matter of complaining. I get that gestalts are as big and powerful, as other large Cybertronians such as Omega Supreme. It definitely makes them a threat and a game changer on the battle field. I hope they explore some aspects of the side effects of gestalts as a plot point, otherwise we'll be stuck with these over powered beings who can shift the tide of a battle or power struggle. Without side effects it would seem its the perfect weapon.

On a side note weren't the little green mini-cons from the dark Cybertron story combiners without mass shifting.
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby ZeroWolf » Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:53 am

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BERSEKAEL wrote:so thats devastator? weird head sculpt >:oP

That's because it's prowl as the head since scrapper got killed off.
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby Dr. Caelus » Thu Jan 22, 2015 1:37 pm

padfoo wrote:I hope they explore some aspects of the side effects of gestalts as a plot point, otherwise we'll be stuck with these over powered beings who can shift the tide of a battle or power struggle. Without side effects it would seem its the perfect weapon.


Not sure where you're at in the comics, so I'll black it all out:

Menasor wound up crippled by his components literally arguing with each other, in what was frankly a hilarious scene.

Superion was merged unwilling by some force in the wilds of reformatted Cybertron, and as yet they've still been unable to separate the aerialbots, forcing them to make repairs on him as a whole, which is not only a massive undertaking (because as mentioned before he's much bigger than his constituent parts), I get the impression they really don't know how to handle his physiology.

Most recently, Prowl's started having trouble with the Constructicon's names, calling Longhaul "Scrapper", even though Scrapper was dead long before Prowl was merged with them. He may also have started talking to himself, but he spends enough time on comms with spies and stuff it's hard to tell. Honestly, I think Scrapper was an integral part of Devastator's gestalt identity, so even after he died individually, some element of him remained in Devastator himself. When Prowl merged with the Constructicons, he became part of that identity (Devastator's personality has notably shifted, becoming more intelligent and more disciplined), but I don't think he replaced Scrapper mentally - I think Scrapper's still there, in Devastator, and the ghost in the machine is getting into Prowl's head, talking to him and such.


It'll be interesting if this is a side-effect unique to Devastator's combination, or if the scramble-city combiners also exhibit this - if they're swapping limbs willy-nilly, they could develop some seriously weird... issues.

EDIT: As far as the perfect weapon thing, the Transformers do have large starships with orbital artillery, and except for Superion, the gestalts don't fly, so while powerful, I don't think they're completely game-breaking.
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby padfoo » Thu Jan 22, 2015 8:45 pm

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padfoo wrote:I hope they explore some aspects of the side effects of gestalts as a plot point, otherwise we'll be stuck with these over powered beings who can shift the tide of a battle or power struggle. Without side effects it would seem its the perfect weapon.


Not sure where you're at in the comics, so I'll black it all out:

Menasor wound up crippled by his components literally arguing with each other, in what was frankly a hilarious scene.

Superion was merged unwilling by some force in the wilds of reformatted Cybertron, and as yet they've still been unable to separate the aerialbots, forcing them to make repairs on him as a whole, which is not only a massive undertaking (because as mentioned before he's much bigger than his constituent parts), I get the impression they really don't know how to handle his physiology.

Most recently, Prowl's started having trouble with the Constructicon's names, calling Longhaul "Scrapper", even though Scrapper was dead long before Prowl was merged with them. He may also have started talking to himself, but he spends enough time on comms with spies and stuff it's hard to tell. Honestly, I think Scrapper was an integral part of Devastator's gestalt identity, so even after he died individually, some element of him remained in Devastator himself. When Prowl merged with the Constructicons, he became part of that identity (Devastator's personality has notably shifted, becoming more intelligent and more disciplined), but I don't think he replaced Scrapper mentally - I think Scrapper's still there, in Devastator, and the ghost in the machine is getting into Prowl's head, talking to him and such.


It'll be interesting if this is a side-effect unique to Devastator's combination, or if the scramble-city combiners also exhibit this - if they're swapping limbs willy-nilly, they could develop some seriously weird... issues.

EDIT: As far as the perfect weapon thing, the Transformers do have large starships with orbital artillery, and except for Superion, the gestalts don't fly, so while powerful, I don't think they're completely game-breaking.

Wow thanks for the update, I was not aware of any of this. Like many fans I enjoy the what ifs, and whys of the Transformers world.... I am glad to see the writers are actually taking the time to develop competent storylines and concepts for these characters. I like that there is a Hulk like mythos surrounding the Gestalts. You can attain great power but you may not be able to control it or live through the side effects.
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Re: IDW Publishing Transformers Comics April 2015 Solicitations: Defensor, Devastator, Windblade & More

Postby Dr. Caelus » Thu Jan 22, 2015 9:46 pm

You might like the old Transformers: Stormbringer comic, then if you haven't read it already. It was one of the first IDW series. Introduces the Pretenders, and the problems with that little bit of mad science.
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Postby ThunderThruster » Fri Jan 23, 2015 5:28 pm

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