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-Kanrabat- wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810211686/

wonder why he costs so much more on TakaraTomy Mall

Because Japan.

ALL Transformers cost more in Japan for reasons.

Like those $170 Trainbots. Really wish they were cheaper, now they're out of my price range

Those don't count, being Japan exclusives. But if you compare the base prices of SS and WFC toys, they are more expensive in Japan...

....wait....

I may be talking out of my ass here. Japan display their prices WITH the sale tax included. That's why they seems more expensive. Furthermore, the base prices get cheaper when you checkout at Amazon.jp. The sales tax is removed.

So does that mean Mandarake is screwing foreign orders over?

Mandarake is not a retailer in the proper sense that it gets a toy from the distributor (supplier), they are a collectible second hand store. So we can't apply the same principles. And this Victory Saber isn't sold at Japanese big box retail either so it's in it's own pricing category as well.

Anyways, for those curious about the situation generally, toys at Japanese retail have always been more or less the same price as toys in the US.
If anyone wants more info on this, here is a link I keep handy explaining it: takara-tomy-transformers-legends-thread-p1740815.php#p1740815

SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810211686/

wonder why he costs so much more on TakaraTomy Mall

He does cost more but not as much as you think. That price includes taxes, his base price is $220. And we are looking at exchange rate futures for 2022 so I kinda get where this is coming from. It's being pessimistic on the value of the yen.

Just hit 15K backers

2K left needed to unlock tier 2

5K left needed to unlock tier 3

3 days 9 hours

Just hit 15K!!!

I'd be willing to bet on at least 3K from TTMall, so the stand should be a lock by now. Fingers crossed for the shield and lil fellas.

Like I've been saying, 20k will be the rough final number, I have confidence

william-james88 wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Autobot N wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:https://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810211686/

wonder why he costs so much more on TakaraTomy Mall

Because Japan.

ALL Transformers cost more in Japan for reasons.

Like those $170 Trainbots. Really wish they were cheaper, now they're out of my price range

Those don't count, being Japan exclusives. But if you compare the base prices of SS and WFC toys, they are more expensive in Japan...

....wait....

I may be talking out of my ass here. Japan display their prices WITH the sale tax included. That's why they seems more expensive. Furthermore, the base prices get cheaper when you checkout at Amazon.jp. The sales tax is removed.

So does that mean Mandarake is screwing foreign orders over?

Mandarake is not a retailer in the proper sense that it gets a toy from the distributor (supplier), they are a collectible second hand store. So we can't apply the same principles. And this Victory Saber isn't sold at Japanese big box retail either so it's in it's own pricing category as well.

Mandarake doesn't charge sales tax on foreign orders. In fact the physical stores don't either, they have special duty free procedures for tourists.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Mandarake doesn't charge sales tax on foreign orders. In fact the physical stores don't either, they have special duty free procedures for tourists.

Emerje

Nice.
Now if only EMS would reopen again for Canada...

So here's a question I've been thinking of...they'll be making 15,000 (at least) Victory Sabers...how many Commander Class Sky Lynx or Titan Class Scorponok do you think Hasbro made?

I'm having a tough time estimating. TRU Canada has 85 stores...say 10 per store is 850, so round to 1K. Twice that for Walmart gets us to 3K, and double that again for the rest of Canada is about 6K for the country...that seems low to me...

MeGrimlock78 wrote:So here's a question I've been thinking of...they'll be making 15,000 (at least) Victory Sabers...how many Commander Class Sky Lynx or Titan Class Scorponok do you think Hasbro made?

I'm having a tough time estimating. TRU Canada has 85 stores...say 10 per store is 850, so round to 1K. Twice that for Walmart gets us to 3K, and double that again for the rest of Canada is about 6K for the country...that seems low to me...

We've estimated about 100k total for Skylynx before. Not sure about Scorponok.

william-james88 wrote:

MeGrimlock78 wrote:So here's a question I've been thinking of...they'll be making 15,000 (at least) Victory Sabers...how many Commander Class Sky Lynx or Titan Class Scorponok do you think Hasbro made?

I'm having a tough time estimating. TRU Canada has 85 stores...say 10 per store is 850, so round to 1K. Twice that for Walmart gets us to 3K, and double that again for the rest of Canada is about 6K for the country...that seems low to me...

We've estimated about 100k total for Skylynx before. Not sure about Scorponok.

Plus Scorponok got rereleased.

sol magnus wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

MeGrimlock78 wrote:So here's a question I've been thinking of...they'll be making 15,000 (at least) Victory Sabers...how many Commander Class Sky Lynx or Titan Class Scorponok do you think Hasbro made?

I'm having a tough time estimating. TRU Canada has 85 stores...say 10 per store is 850, so round to 1K. Twice that for Walmart gets us to 3K, and double that again for the rest of Canada is about 6K for the country...that seems low to me...

We've estimated about 100k total for Skylynx before. Not sure about Scorponok.

Plus Scorponok got rereleased.

That's awesome info, thanks!

I don't know WHY I wanted to know, but it's nice to have some perspective as to how limited HasLab things are.

You are not the only one. I wanted to know as well. Will was doing some research. The numbers were just guesstimated (It would be nice if Hasbro actually told us), but I think we were guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of 50K units for a Titan, and 100K for a CC. Of course those would probably vary slightly depending on how well the previous one sold. Having to do a 2nd (even if much smaller) run like Omega Supreme and Scorponok is a good sign as opposed to going on clearance like Fort Max or Trypticon (*though to be fair I think Tryp was more of a distribution issue. If Walmart and Target chose to carry it at the time , not just TRU, it probably wouldn't have ended up at Ollies for $40)

o.supreme wrote:You are not the only one. I wanted to know as well. Will was doing some research. The numbers were just guesstimated (It would be nice if Hasbro actually told us), but I think we were guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of 50K units for a Titan, and 100K for a CC. Of course those would probably vary slightly depending on how well the previous one sold. Having to do a 2nd (even if much smaller) run like Omega Supreme and Scorponok is a good sign as opposed to going on clearance like Fort Max or Trypticon (*though to be fair I think Tryp was more of a distribution issue. If Walmart and Target chose to carry it at the time , not just TRU, it probably wouldn't have ended up at Ollies for $40)

Yeah, a lot of Trypticon's problems came from TRU closing. Everyone in the industry, including Hasbro, thought other retailers would step in to pick up the slack. There were reports of stores that don't have toy sections starting new ones, traditional retailers expanding their toy aisles and Amazon taking in more orders. Probably that last one was the only one that happened as they ended up with a glut of Trypticons, but Hasbro didn't get the B&M orders they needed for casual buyers, impulse buyers and parents and had to liquidate their stock which must have been pretty excessive. Hasbro's new plan to reduce the initial stock, monitor demand and then restock nearly a year later if needed is probably the right move for them.

Now, that said.

STAND UNLOCKED! currently sitting at 17,550!

Emerje

Oooh, that is at least a 2K jump from this morning. And TTMall should still be accepting orders meaning we probably don't have all their numbers (if any) yet.

Oh wow, another nice bump, this must have just occurred in the last hour or so, as I checked at 7am PDT (about 2 hours ago), and it was at a little of 15,3xx, so a 2200 bump is pretty hefty. TT Mall is still taking orders, so this might not represent them all, but it might represent a good chunk of them.

I really want the Shield and Micromasters now...I guess we will see soon enough if it happens. I honestly didn't think it would get to 17K (in the beginning anyways), I'm glad to be wrong.

Emerje wrote:

o.supreme wrote:You are not the only one. I wanted to know as well. Will was doing some research. The numbers were just guesstimated (It would be nice if Hasbro actually told us), but I think we were guessing somewhere in the neighborhood of 50K units for a Titan, and 100K for a CC. Of course those would probably vary slightly depending on how well the previous one sold. Having to do a 2nd (even if much smaller) run like Omega Supreme and Scorponok is a good sign as opposed to going on clearance like Fort Max or Trypticon (*though to be fair I think Tryp was more of a distribution issue. If Walmart and Target chose to carry it at the time , not just TRU, it probably wouldn't have ended up at Ollies for $40)

Yeah, a lot of Trypticon's problems came from TRU closing. Everyone in the industry, including Hasbro, thought other retailers would step in to pick up the slack. There were reports of stores that don't have toy sections starting new ones, traditional retailers expanding their toy aisles and Amazon taking in more orders. Probably that last one was the only one that happened as they ended up with a glut of Trypticons, but Hasbro didn't get the B&M orders they needed for casual buyers, impulse buyers and parents and had to liquidate their stock which must have been pretty excessive. Hasbro's new plan to reduce the initial stock, monitor demand and then restock nearly a year later if needed is probably the right move for them.

Now, that said.

STAND UNLOCKED! currently sitting at 17,550!

Emerje

I was just about to post this myself. I've said my peace on the stretch goals, but like them or not, that is a VERY nice stand, and nice bonus. will be happy to have it.

while I don't care about the shield, (still a nice addon though) I would like to have at least the Holi though.

These things always move fast at the last minute. You love to see it. I'm quite confident now we'll cross the 20k.

Look at that image below, it includes everything you are now sure to get with your preorder of Victory Saber. With almost 18k backers, we have reached both tier 1 and tier 2, securing some extras. Only tier 3 left at 20 000 and only 2 days left.

Here is what Hasbro posted on Facebook:

Onward to Victory! Thank You Fans!!! We have reached the 17,000 backer total and the Tier 2, #Transformers Victory Autobot Display Stand is now included with your HasLab Victory Saber. Now you too can display your Victory Leo in alt mode with all Tier 1 and 2 accessories seen here. There’s still time to get to 20,000 backers and unlock the V-Shield, Micromaster Holi, and Micromaster Fire!
Parents, pre-order and back the Transformers Victory Saber HasLab Project for $179.99. This crowdfund project will run until October 10th, 2021.

By the way, who are those ridiculously lucky kids who have parents preordering Victory Saber for them?

Epsilon Delta wrote:I'm just thinking, if it was a Bumblebee or an Optimus Prime under $50, I could understand marketing to the parents. The fact that it's around $200 (after taxes) of an unrecognizable character (to a parent that would be "shoppinging off the ads" to find a gift for their child), it just really doesn't make sense. I would be very interested to know how many parents with no affinity for Transformers backed this because they were looking for a gift for their kid that likes Transformers. I need stats Hasbro

What makes no sense to me is that this toy comes out in 2022 and we don't have a sure date.

Parents do make big purchases for their kids, but it's usually for special events and it's of things they know they want then. Asking parents to spend 200$ for a toy released sometime next year with no guarantee that their kid will still be into it then? Just feels like a charade to make it seem like they are still a fully family friendly company and are not dedicating themselves to just fans, for even this particular product.

Unless Hasbro is talking to parents of 30 year olds who still live with them in the basement.

King Kuuga wrote:These things always move fast at the last minute. You love to see it. I'm quite confident now we'll cross the 20k.

That would be cool. Personally, I really wanted that stand after I saw it coloured. Just looked awesome. especially since Victory Saber is such an interesting looking spaceship, having that personalized flight stand just adds to it.

I do not need it to reach 20K at all. While that shield looks good for the city mode, I won't ever really configure it that way. And I am not a big fan of the micromasters. But hey, if it gets there I aint gonna complain. It is a cool looking shield and definitely adds to the Gundam look.

Well the irony of all this is, while I am purchasing this for myself primarily...It is ultimately for me and my son to share. I know some parents will buy 2 of some things (one for them and one for their kids)...but ultimately I have to face the realization that when my son eventually grows up and moves out, he may very well take ALL of the collection with him. It's not something I'm willing to argue our cause a rift about. If he wants them all, C'est la vie. If not, then I will be just as happy. Of course I'm going to "encourage" him to keep them perhaps in my home where they would be more secure. I don't imagine him taking these to a college living environment , or any small apartment he may rent. Of course this is still 3 years away at minimum, but time flies I'm tellin ya! I wish I could afford a 2nd one, but I'm happy just being able to back one form myself.

I bet that makes Retroblasting’s blood boil!

william-james88 wrote:

Epsilon Delta wrote:I'm just thinking, if it was a Bumblebee or an Optimus Prime under $50, I could understand marketing to the parents. The fact that it's around $200 (after taxes) of an unrecognizable character (to a parent that would be "shoppinging off the ads" to find a gift for their child), it just really doesn't make sense. I would be very interested to know how many parents with no affinity for Transformers backed this because they were looking for a gift for their kid that likes Transformers. I need stats Hasbro

What makes no sense to me is that this toy comes out in 2022 and we don't have a sure date.

Parents do make big purchases for their kids, but it's usually for special events and it,s of things they know they want then. Asking parents to spend 200$ for a toy released sometime next year with no guarantee that their kid will still be into it then? Just feels like a charade to make it seem like they are still a fully family friendly company and are not dedicating themselves to just fans, for even this particular product.

I didn't even think about it not coming out until next year. Kids' tastes are very fickle. My son is going from Transformers, to Beyblades, to Power Rangers, to Pokemon and back again. It changes weekly. You can't buy anything unless you plan on giving it to them right away because you wait too long and they might not be into it anymore.

I too want to know who the parents are throwing $200 around because they read an ad, and see if they want to adopt me. They really should word it "Parents, collectors, enthusiasts..." Are they just trying to fool... I'm not sure... Themselves?

william-james88 wrote:Unless Hasbro is talking to parents of 30 year olds who still live with them in the basement.

Not cool, man.