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Well it's nice to see Dirge will be available to the people who either missed or couldn't afford the other two versions of Dirge.

This is a downer seems we only have two new molds so far for the Generations line and we're already getting into wave 4 I think (I know the WFC figures are new molds but they don't really fit into the classics line for me) and the rest are just repaints. I really hope they show some good stuff off at Botcon for the classics line.

Yeah...I'm liking having dirge more and more.

kirbenvost wrote:What did I just say? I knew it!

Bring on Thundercracker!

Yes you did, and I am so excited I can't hardly contain myself!

The more I hear about the Generations line, the more excited I get. Haven't been this pumped for a line in a while. Even the PCC's are starting to grow on me. Bring on all these awesome toys! I miss being excited about heading back to the toy department at Wal-Mart. I can' tell you how long its been that I've gloomly walked back with no hopes at all only to find 35 Tuner Mudflaps (seriously they have NOTHING else), some Bumblebee helmets and a bunch of Fast Action Battlers. It has been MONTHS. So let's get these toys out on shelves so they can be on mine!

If people are so set on getting a Thundercracker AND still keeping the GoD set unique, why not have a "anime/cartoon coloration" version? Make him powder blue instead of navy. Easy fix to make the resulting figure notably different from the BotCon version, while having a major character available to the masses.

I actually prefer Hasbro's Ramjet and Thrust to the Takara versions, so I'll probably like this one too. But having already payed crazy money for Henkei Thrust and Dirge I'll probably give them a miss. Shame.

I'm really hoping this isn't what Hasbro meant when they said they'd be returning to the Classics line in 2010. Dirge, Thrust and Red Alert; three remolds of the most used figures in the series. And Darkmount/Straxus and Drift; characters who have never before had a figure, so can they claim to be recapturing the magic of the 80s which was why the Classics line was spawned. Don't get me wrong, they're all great figures (I've got Darkmount and Drift on pre-order), I just hope these five are not IT for 2010.

Sodan-1 wrote:I actually prefer Hasbro's Ramjet and Thrust to the Takara versions, so I'll probably like this one too. But having already payed crazy money for Henkei Thrust and Dirge I'll probably give them a miss. Shame.

I'm really hoping this isn't what Hasbro meant when they said they'd be returning to the Classics line in 2010. Dirge, Thrust and Red Alert; three remolds of the most used figures in the series. And Darkmount/Straxus and Drift; characters who have never before had a figure, so can they claim to be recapturing the magic of the 80s which was why the Classics line was spawned. Don't get me wrong, they're all great figures (I've got Darkmount and Drift on pre-order), I just hope these five are not IT for 2010.

Well, they said that Generations is going to be an ongoing line, so hopefully the profits from these 6) new molds (counting WFC Prime, BB, Megs, and Soundwave) and the cheaper to make repaints, will give us some other new molds in the future. At least we are getting new molds, not like the original Universe line which was strictly repaints.

Good to get confirmation on Blurr.

I know the PCC are figures with drones but how big are the 'Commanders'? Deluxe size? (And how big are they in combined mode?)

Here's hoping the Stunticons and Protectorbots are faithful to their G1 selves. Maybe FansProject will do upgrade kits to make them comparable to the upgraded Energon combiners.

emeraldbeacon wrote:If people are so set on getting a Thundercracker AND still keeping the GoD set unique, why not have a "anime/cartoon coloration" version? Make him powder blue instead of navy. Easy fix to make the resulting figure notably different from the BotCon version, while having a major character available to the masses.

Based on the pictures (I spend a lot on Transformers, but have not purchased the Botcon set so I cannot say for sure) it looks like the Botcon set is more of a powder blue. It's why I suggested going darker blue to match closer to the G1 toy.

--B-- wrote:Well, they said that Generations is going to be an ongoing line, so hopefully the profits from these 6) new molds (counting WFC Prime, BB, Megs, and Soundwave) and the cheaper to make repaints, will give us some other new molds in the future. At least we are getting new molds, not like the original Universe line which was strictly repaints.

With TF3 and the new Cartoon, Prime I'm pretty sure the Generations line is just a placeholder. Something to get us to Christmas. I'm not expecting much except, perhaps, some more toys from the War for Cybertron game.

Which makes me wonder. Any possibility that Dirge is actually a WfC mold and not Classics? We should see a Starscream first, correct?

King Henrik wrote:great one more thing making us games of deception owners look like chumps for paying 300 for 60 worth of figures... i could tolerate the japanese releases, but seriously how long before they make a thundercracker too?

HA HA LOL LMAO BOY DOES IT SUCK TO BE YOU BUDDY

genozaur wrote:

King Henrik wrote:great one more thing making us games of deception owners look like chumps for paying 300 for 60 worth of figures... i could tolerate the japanese releases, but seriously how long before they make a thundercracker too?

HA HA LOL LMAO BOY DOES IT SUCK TO BE YOU BUDDY

No. Drop that attitude right now.

The people who owned Games of Deception have had those figs now for 4 years more than those who are getting the Generations figs.

I hope Grapple has a crane and not that stupid blaster on the roof.

Yeah, i think this is still great news. The guys that purchased the GoD set, yeah you paid 300 dollars, but you have had the set for FOUR long years now. That is four years I've got to look at pictures of him and follow 80-100 dollar henkei Dirges on eBay. This shouldn't dampen the value at all. Now the general community can pick up a classics style Dirge, but it is still only a Generations toy, not a Botcon exclusive.

Best news yet !!!

these guys with the set had Dirge and Thrust for 3 years...now its time to share and let everybody enjoy these wonderful figures.

THANKS HASBRO !!!

574R5CR34M wrote:The more I hear about the Generations line, the more excited I get. Haven't been this pumped for a line in a while. Even the PCC's are starting to grow on me. Bring on all these awesome toys! I miss being excited about heading back to the toy department at Wal-Mart. I can' tell you how long its been that I've gloomly walked back with no hopes at all only to find 35 Tuner Mudflaps (seriously they have NOTHING else), some Bumblebee helmets and a bunch of Fast Action Battlers. It has been MONTHS. So let's get these toys out on shelves so they can be on mine!

Exactly. Every time I go see the transformers section at stores I just get depressed. Can't wait til the new toys hit the shelves.

im happy to be able to get trust and dirge, and im also hoping for thundercracker. another thing i wouldnt mind seeing is more re-releases of the earlier classics figures like they did with starscream. maybe a couple movie 25th anniversery classics packs

Agamemnon wrote:

emeraldbeacon wrote:If people are so set on getting a Thundercracker AND still keeping the GoD set unique, why not have a "anime/cartoon coloration" version? Make him powder blue instead of navy. Easy fix to make the resulting figure notably different from the BotCon version, while having a major character available to the masses.

Based on the pictures (I spend a lot on Transformers, but have not purchased the Botcon set so I cannot say for sure) it looks like the Botcon set is more of a powder blue. It's why I suggested going darker blue to match closer to the G1 toy.

--B-- wrote:Well, they said that Generations is going to be an ongoing line, so hopefully the profits from these 6) new molds (counting WFC Prime, BB, Megs, and Soundwave) and the cheaper to make repaints, will give us some other new molds in the future. At least we are getting new molds, not like the original Universe line which was strictly repaints.

With TF3 and the new Cartoon, Prime I'm pretty sure the Generations line is just a placeholder. Something to get us to Christmas. I'm not expecting much except, perhaps, some more toys from the War for Cybertron game.

Which makes me wonder. Any possibility that Dirge is actually a WfC mold and not Classics? We should see a Starscream first, correct?

Hasbro said Generations would be on-going and NOT a placeholder/filler line.

amcgrath929 wrote:Yeah, i think this is still great news. The guys that purchased the GoD set, yeah you paid 300 dollars, but you have had the set for FOUR long years now. That is four years I've got to look at pictures of him and follow 80-100 dollar henkei Dirges on eBay. This shouldn't dampen the value at all. Now the general community can pick up a classics style Dirge, but it is still only a Generations toy, not a Botcon exclusive.

I agree with this. I purchased the Botcon set, and while I will admit I was initially upset by the Takara releases I do acknowledge that I got to enjoy these figures for years before others which still makes them worth the the $279.00 I paid for the Iacon set. It will however reduce to value of the Botcon figures and the Henkei figures for that matter. They didn't skyrocket in price because they were Botcon exclusives, they skyrocketed because they were Classics representations of characters fans wanted. Anytime a new cheaper alternative comes along it can't help but reduce the demand and thus the value of those who came before them. If I didn't already have these figures and I was in the market for them I wouldn't pay a higher price just to get the Botcon version, in fact I wouldn't give two sh*ts about the Botcon versions at this point. I do plan on getting Generations Dirge for the remolded wings even though I already have Botcon Dirge. Actually Botcon Dirge will probably go into storage now.

Agamemnon wrote: Any possibility that Dirge is actually a WfC mold and not Classics? We should see a Starscream first, correct?

No, there is no such thing as WFC Dirge as of yet.

Blurrz wrote:

King Henrik wrote:great one more thing making us games of deception owners look like chumps for paying 300 for 60 worth of figures... i could tolerate the japanese releases, but seriously how long before they make a thundercracker too?

Thundercracker, I think not. We're getting Generations Thrust. Dirge and Red Alert, but those are Henkei molds that Hasbro is trying to cash in on. I'd actually be surprised if Hasbro pulls out the Cracker.

Ah, a heated seeker thread...this seems soooo 2008 to me.

Actually, if you went to BotCon that year you paid $279. That set is worth a LOT more now and will still be worth a lot more than $279 even if they do make a Thundercracker.

And speaking on that topic, I have to disagree with my little blue friend. I wouldn't say it's a "sure thing" but I think the chances are high we will see a mass release Thundercracker and probably another Skywarp. Back at BotCon 08 myself and a few other Seibertronians actually spoke to someone with FunPub about this off the record and he pretty much said that Fun Pub would be powerless to stop mass releases of the seekers in the US.

--B-- wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

--B-- wrote:Well, they said that Generations is going to be an ongoing line, so hopefully the profits from these 6) new molds (counting WFC Prime, BB, Megs, and Soundwave) and the cheaper to make repaints, will give us some other new molds in the future. At least we are getting new molds, not like the original Universe line which was strictly repaints.

With TF3 and the new Cartoon, Prime I'm pretty sure the Generations line is just a placeholder. Something to get us to Christmas. I'm not expecting much except, perhaps, some more toys from the War for Cybertron game.

Which makes me wonder. Any possibility that Dirge is actually a WfC mold and not Classics? We should see a Starscream first, correct?

Hasbro said Generations would be on-going and NOT a placeholder/filler line.

As much as Classics has been on-going, anyway. They're all filler lines until the next line comes out. As long as they sell well, whatever name they apply, Hasbro will still produce a "Classics" line of some sort.

The War for Cybertron and Power Core Combiners appear to be what we have for now. We'll see if Hasbro still calls the line "Generations" in a year and a half when TF3 comes out.

El Duque wrote:

amcgrath929 wrote:Yeah, i think this is still great news. The guys that purchased the GoD set, yeah you paid 300 dollars, but you have had the set for FOUR long years now. That is four years I've got to look at pictures of him and follow 80-100 dollar henkei Dirges on eBay. This shouldn't dampen the value at all. Now the general community can pick up a classics style Dirge, but it is still only a Generations toy, not a Botcon exclusive.

I agree with this. I purchased the Botcon set, and while I will admit I was initially upset by the Takara releases I do acknowledge that I got to enjoy these figures for years before others which still makes them worth the the $279.00 I paid for the Iacon set. It will however reduce to value of the Botcon figures and the Henkei figures for that matter. They didn't skyrocket in price because they were Botcon exclusives, they skyrocketed because they were Classics representations of characters fans wanted. Anytime a new cheaper alternative comes along it can't help but reduce the demand and thus the value of those who came before them. If I didn't already have these figures and I was in the market for them I wouldn't pay a higher price just to get the Botcon version, in fact I wouldn't give two sh*ts about the Botcon versions at this point. I do plan on getting Generations Dirge for the remolded wings even though I already have Botcon Dirge. Actually Botcon Dirge will probably go into storage now.

Agreed. The value of these figures will inevitably go down with the mass generations release but as much as i hate to admit, I don't plan on selling off my TF's. Sentimental value>retail value

Dudes, I have a secret fear of Tuner Mudflap. Why? Because the other day, that's the only thing I saw. Mudflap as far as the eye could see. I'm scared that they're going to come alive and take over the world, there so many of them in the stores. I mean, not only do they have a not that good mold, but they don't have a good paint job either. It bothers me every time I go into Toys R US or Wal-Mart. Scary as hell, man...

Why are we all so excited by Dirge for gods sake? We've seen him - we know pretty much what he'll look like. Blurr, on the other hand is getting a remold from Drift - that is exciting.

Amelie wrote:Why are we all so excited by Dirge for gods sake? We've seen him - we know pretty much what he'll look like. Blurr, on the other hand is getting a remold from Drift - that is exciting.

Dirge is more exciting because it has been 3 years in the making. (for general retail) Alot of red tape and politics has finally been flushed to give everyone a fair chance to own Dirge and Thrust.

As far as Blurr, Im not too excited because the Drift mold really doesnt fit him. Even with a head resculpt. Blurr is supposed to be a futuristic car similar to Arcee. The drift mold turns into a car that pretty much looks like your average import racer. That kind of takes away from the whole concept, kind of like if G1 Arcee turned into a Honda.