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The Dark Side of the Force vs Man o' Steel

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Really? Really now?

I wonder how would darth Vader's Saber affect SuperMan, and whether Vader is quick enough to Halt Superman to hitt him with it.

Vader couldn't take a teenager and a little lightning. You really wanna throw the man of steel at him?

Vader has a 1/100 shot of winning.

Psycho Warrior wrote:Vader couldn't take a teenager and a little lightning. You really wanna throw the man of steel at him?

Vader has a 1/100 shot of winning.

more like Vader's chances of winning are 725....to one.

Couldn't Darth Vader just use the force to rip Superman apart?

Tough Scorponok wrote:I wonder how would darth Vader's Saber affect SuperMan, and whether Vader is quick enough to Halt Superman to hitt him with it.

Superman is thousands of times faster than vader and flies through suns. He'll be fine.

Stormwolf wrote:Couldn't Darth Vader just use the force to rip Superman apart?

No because much more powerful telekinetics have failed to hurt Superman. There's no evidence vader can exert more force on Superman than a black hole which Superman has survived three times.

Inferno Prime wrote:No because much more powerful telekinetics have failed to hurt Superman. There's no evidence vader can exert more force on Superman than a black hole which Superman has survived three times.

Survived a black hole? Well that's just contrived writing to beef up a already overpowered character.

Being powerful is Superman's thing.

Besides being powerful doesn't mean they can't be a compelling character. Lucifer and Morpheus are both vastly powerful characters who have sustained succesful and celebrated comicbook series. When Superman was at his most omnipotent in all star superman it was DC's top selling solo book. It all depends of the skill of the writer.

Senor Hugo wrote:

Psycho Warrior wrote:Vader couldn't take a teenager and a little lightning. You really wanna throw the man of steel at him?

Vader has a 1/100 shot of winning.

more like Vader's chances of winning are 725....to one.

Never tell me the odds!

Oh, but Superman still wins. Read "Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader." They have half a chapter of Vader reflecting on how weak he is compared to when he was a Jedi, and blames most, if not all of it, on his suit.

Supermen is almost as fast as Flash. Flash Ripped off all of the Brainiac's armour of Lex Luthor. Supermen can muster same speed to do the same to Vader, ripp him to shreds, and hurl the remaining Junk into the Sun.

Tough Scorponok wrote:Supermen is almost as fast as Flash. Flash Ripped off all of the Brainiac's armour of Lex Luthor. Supermen can muster same speed to do the same to Vader, ripp him to shreds, and hurl the remaining Junk into the Sun.

Which sun

Logic says Superman with his power to use any power he can think of would win. That said I'd like to see Vader win this, I just need to figure out how Does the green laser from the Death Star have any Kryptonite in it?

New Omen wrote:Logic says Superman with his power to use any power he can think of would win. That said I'd like to see Vader win this, I just need to figure out how Does the green laser from the Death Star have any Kryptonite in it?

Probably not, and even if it did, Superman would be smart enough to fly out of the range of the beam, since it fires very slowly.

lol, I can't help but to laugh why some people still have beefs with "Superman being overpowering" when you have people much worse like Darkseid, Doomsday, Galactus, SS and especially the most powerful of all...Dr. M. Superman for his time may have been "the most powerful thing in comics" and is still top 10 most powerful I'm sure but honestly Superman has been hurt, beat up, killed(or comatose at least) before.

Anywho for this match up, Superman takes this easy...all Supes has to do among tons of options is burn Vaders cybernetic arms and legs from a far with his heat vision or simply just speed past him knocking him on his ass out cold..Light Saber wouldn't have any effect on Supes btw. Only green K and magic can actually hurt Superman. The Force is neither...

MKF30 wrote:lol, I can't help but to laugh why some people still have beefs with "Superman being overpowering" when you have people much worse like Darkseid, Doomsday, Galactus, SS and especially the most powerful of all...Dr. M. Superman for his time may have been "the most powerful thing in comics" and is still top 10 most powerful I'm sure but honestly Superman has been hurt, beat up, killed(or comatose at least) before.

Anywho for this match up, Superman takes this easy...all Supes has to do among tons of options is burn Vaders cybernetic arms and legs from a far with his heat vision or simply just speed past him knocking him on his ass out cold..Light Saber wouldn't have any effect on Supes btw. Only green K and magic can actually hurt Superman. The Force is neither...

And yet Doomsday, Mongul, and Darkseid aren't magical, made of Red Sunlight, nor made of Kryptonite.

Actually I think the Force counts as a sort of Magic, and Lightsaber crystals are imbued with Force power before the saber itself is built. However, Vader still doesn't stand a chance.

Shadowman wrote:

MKF30 wrote:lol, I can't help but to laugh why some people still have beefs with "Superman being overpowering" when you have people much worse like Darkseid, Doomsday, Galactus, SS and especially the most powerful of all...Dr. M. Superman for his time may have been "the most powerful thing in comics" and is still top 10 most powerful I'm sure but honestly Superman has been hurt, beat up, killed(or comatose at least) before.

Anywho for this match up, Superman takes this easy...all Supes has to do among tons of options is burn Vaders cybernetic arms and legs from a far with his heat vision or simply just speed past him knocking him on his ass out cold..Light Saber wouldn't have any effect on Supes btw. Only green K and magic can actually hurt Superman. The Force is neither...

And yet Doomsday, Mongul, and Darkseid aren't magical, made of Red Sunlight, nor made of Kryptonite.

Actually I think the Force counts as a sort of Magic, and Lightsaber crystals are imbued with Force power before the saber itself is built. However, Vader still doesn't stand a chance.

Force wouldn't do much to Superman other then annoy him lol, as others have mentioned Supes has been thru a lot worse and managed to survive(including Doomdsay). Whether it's in the similar realm of magic or not, who knows...but I don't believe it would do much to Superman.

Keep in mind, Superman has also killed or defeated all of those names as well...

Doomsday history was also from ancient Krypton (ancient Krypton was just beasts before people) so the DD, him being designed to be "invincible to virtually anything" and being able to adapt makes sense to me...but like we all know, both characters came back after death anyway so lol.

It's like Inferno Prime mentioned, don't blame or hate the character...blame the writers..I think he's a very interesting character with his background especially, being the last of his kind besides just Supergirl. For a goody-goody, boyscout and powerful character he has a dark, morbid history with how and why he was sent to Earth.

MKF30 wrote:Keep in mind, Superman has also killed or defeated all of those names as well...

He didn't kill any of them. Mongul and Darkseid walk away because of Superman's no-kill rule, and Doomsday was able to revive himself.

And no, he was not in a coma. He was good and dead.

You didn't watch the shows much I take it? He would have killed DS twice. The first time Batman stopped him/interfeared, then the second timeDS had him in a hold, and made a kryptonite knife before Lex interfered and gave DS what he's seeking. The anti life equation...

Superman DID kill Doomsday if you read up on him, thing is DD never stays dead...he always comes back, depending on how he dies he'll stay dead longer or shorter then before but once he adapts he always comes back stronger.

Superman was technically comatose(but comatose isn't far from being dead) really...due to him being kryptonian, and the suit absorbing sun energy, he was able to come back. It's superman, he'll never "die" for good...

MKF30 wrote:You didn't watch the shows much I take it? He would have killed DS twice. The first time Batman stopped him/interfeared, then the second timeDS had him in a hold, and made a kryptonite knife before Lex interfered and gave DS what he's seeking. The anti life equation...

Neither of those times was Superman breaking his no-kill rule. He may have said he would, but neither of those times did he actually deliver a killing blow; the first was the asteroid base destroying itself, however, neither Superman nor Darkseid knew that was happening. The second, however, was Lex Luthor with the Anti-Life Equation.

MKF30 wrote:Superman DID kill Doomsday if you read up on him, thing is DD never stays dead...he always comes back, depending on how he dies he'll stay dead longer or shorter then before but once he adapts he always comes back stronger.

Yes, Superman killed Doomsday. He knew there was no other way, and he died in the process.

MKF30 wrote:Superman was technically comatose(but comatose isn't far from being dead) really...due to him being kryptonian, and the suit absorbing sun energy, he was able to come back. It's superman, he'll never "die" for good...

I'm not talking about the cut-up adaptation, I'm talking about the original comic. Superman was truly dead. His body was placed in a regeneration matrix, and Jonathan Kent, on the brink of death after a heart attack, was able to convince his spirit to return to the world of the living. His battle armor was used to get from the Fortress of Solitude to Metropolis; it was on the ocean floor, there's no way you can absorb sunlight from that depth. Even so, a few of the Supermen trashed it after it resurfaced.

Shadowman wrote:

MKF30 wrote:You didn't watch the shows much I take it? He would have killed DS twice. The first time Batman stopped him/interfeared, then the second timeDS had him in a hold, and made a kryptonite knife before Lex interfered and gave DS what he's seeking. The anti life equation...

Neither of those times was Superman breaking his no-kill rule. He may have said he would, but neither of those times did he actually deliver a killing blow; the first was the asteroid base destroying itself, however, neither Superman nor Darkseid knew that was happening. The second, however, was Lex Luthor with the Anti-Life Equation.

MKF30 wrote:Superman DID kill Doomsday if you read up on him, thing is DD never stays dead...he always comes back, depending on how he dies he'll stay dead longer or shorter then before but once he adapts he always comes back stronger.

Yes, Superman killed Doomsday. He knew there was no other way, and he died in the process.

MKF30 wrote:Superman was technically comatose(but comatose isn't far from being dead) really...due to him being kryptonian, and the suit absorbing sun energy, he was able to come back. It's superman, he'll never "die" for good...

I'm not talking about the cut-up adaptation, I'm talking about the original comic. Superman was truly dead. His body was placed in a regeneration matrix, and Jonathan Kent, on the brink of death after a heart attack, was able to convince his spirit to return to the world of the living. His battle armor was used to get from the Fortress of Solitude to Metropolis; it was on the ocean floor, there's no way you can absorb sunlight from that depth. Even so, a few of the Supermen trashed it after it resurfaced.

He would have the first time. He would have killed DS the first time, he even said it in so many words and Batman stopped or tried to in that Brainiac asteroid fortress...

Second time, he pretty much had no choice...DS because of Brainiac and Lex thinking he put Brainiac back together(but was obviously off) came back even more powerful, so if not for Lex showing up with the Anti-Life Equation, Superman would have had to kill DS. It was going to come to that option anyway...or the destruction of Earth more or less.

I'm referring to both the animated film and the comic generally speaking with him being "Superman", he'll never really "die" forever is what I'm saying. I know the way they did it in the film was a bit off from the comic originally.

Btw, ocean floor or not Superman still has his powers so the yellow sun is still vital even under water. If you remember Superman Returns. He flies up closer to the high sky to get closer to the Sun but flies down wayy beyond the depths of the ocean with all of his powers in fully in tack(with a small piece of green K in his side even as they show later when he passes out in the hospital) to push that giant krytonite island that Lex made by stealing his crystals. Any place on Earth most of the time is considered good enough for him to have his powers, strength etc as long as there's the yellow sun outside of another dimension or alternate Earth.

As for DD, later on he actually gets killed a few more times afterwards then comes back..dies..comes back with intelligence at one point.

Although it took him a while to come back after Imperielex fried him. I forget which comic it was per-se but there was even one where Doomsday helped Superman when he had intelligence.

MKF30 wrote:Btw, ocean floor or not Superman still has his powers so the yellow sun is still vital even under water.

Yes. And there IS no sunlight on the ocean floor.

MKF30 wrote:If you remember Superman Returns. He flies up closer to the high sky to get closer to the Sun but flies down wayy beyond the depths of the ocean with all of his powers in fully in tack(with a small piece of green K in his side even as they show later when he passes out in the hospital) to push that giant krytonite island that Lex made by stealing his crystals.

Absolutely irrelevant. We're talking about two different continuities.

MKF30 wrote:Any place on Earth most of the time is considered good enough for him to have his powers, strength etc as long as there's the yellow sun outside of another dimension or alternate Earth.

He was so weak he was forced to use a gun during the battle at Engine City. Now what does that tell you?

Shadowman wrote:

MKF30 wrote:Btw, ocean floor or not Superman still has his powers so the yellow sun is still vital even under water.

Yes. And there IS no sunlight on the ocean floor.

MKF30 wrote:If you remember Superman Returns. He flies up closer to the high sky to get closer to the Sun but flies down wayy beyond the depths of the ocean with all of his powers in fully in tack(with a small piece of green K in his side even as they show later when he passes out in the hospital) to push that giant krytonite island that Lex made by stealing his crystals.

Absolutely irrelevant. We're talking about two different continuities.

MKF30 wrote:Any place on Earth most of the time is considered good enough for him to have his powers, strength etc as long as there's the yellow sun outside of another dimension or alternate Earth.

He was so weak he was forced to use a gun during the battle at Engine City. Now what does that tell you?

Ocean floor=part of earth, thus it doesn't matter. As long as there's a yellow sun in the same galaxy as Superman or Earth he's on he'll have his powers anywhere on Earth, Superman can use all his powers in the sky or inside the Earth's mantle. You seem to think Superman is 100% powerless under water when he's not.

I was referring to Superman generally speaking so I don't see how it's irrelevant. We are talking about "Superman" here are we not? Not different versions, it's the same Superman.

He only needed a gun because he wasn't at full power being kicked the crap of by Doomsday will do that to ya...lol shortly after he was at full power anyway.

MKF30 wrote:Ocean floor=part of earth, thus it doesn't matter. As long as there's a yellow sun in the same galaxy as Superman or Earth he's on he'll have his powers anywhere on Earth, Superman can use all his powers in the sky or inside the Earth's mantle. You seem to think Superman is 100% powerless under water when he's not.

No, but he WAS fully powerless, and he was NOT absorbing sunlight down there. Early on i the novelization, he mentions that working too hard during nighttime tires him out.

MKF30 wrote:I was referring to Superman generally speaking so I don't see how it's irrelevant. We are talking about "Superman" here are we not? Not different versions, it's the same Superman.

We ARE talking about two different versions of Superman. You may notice massive differences in power in many versions; in Justice League he was much weaker than, say, Silver Age, but much stronger than in the movies.