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Agamemnon wrote:

Seibertron wrote:So I just noticed this morning that the top of Victorion's forehead crest was broken and missing in the package. You'll notice in the picture below that the top of the crest is angled, where it must have sheared off at the factory. Urgh.



Here's what it is supposed to look like (and what it looks like on my 2nd Victorion that I'm about to photograph) ...



Fortunately, I've got a spare Victorion for the time being where this is not broken.

Can you confirm it is not broken on other Victorion figures? I'm wondering if this is another case of clipping something long and sharpish for toy safety guidelines, like they did for a movie figure, I think. I don't remember which one it was....

Per my quote that you quoted

Seibertron wrote:Here's what it is supposed to look like (and what it looks like on my 2nd Victorion that I'm about to photograph) ...



Fortunately, I've got a spare Victorion for the time being where this is not broken.

philswitch engage wrote:Devastator is iconic in his neon green and purple scheme.

Iconic doesn't mean pretty the Constructicons have always had an ugly color scheme no matter how you spin it.


I bet that if Victorion was from the original G1 toyline no one would care and they would call her colors iconic cause nostalgia is a blinding thing.

william-james88 wrote:

megatronus wrote:Definitely using spare HFGs for her hands... her stock hands are extremely underwhelming. The feet are great though.

It's also nice to see that the final product toned down the bright teals of the prototypes revealed at NYCC/Toy Fair. A marked improvement.

Ryan, I'm not sure why you're not a fan of the Nightbird head in this set. I think it's nice they'd pull a Japanese head sculpt to this side of the Pacific (although it was almost certainly to save on costs). I get that you'd prefer all new everything, but I think that's a tad unrealistic. For a quasi-exclusive box set, they pulled out plenty of stops.

I dont get it, arent they different heads? They sure look different to me:



Of course if I am looking at the wrong head, let me know.

And I totally agree Megatronus, those hands are really not great. They look so off compared to the giant forearms.

So Ryan, do you recomend this set overall?

Oh and dumb question guys but seriously where did all the white from the colourchoice (option c) go?

I bet the fists will look much better on the copters.

RNSrobot wrote:I bet the fists will look much better on the copters.

I am sure fo this, which is why it puzzles me taht they ddint go for it that way.

Seibertron wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

Seibertron wrote:So I just noticed this morning that the top of Victorion's forehead crest was broken and missing in the package. You'll notice in the picture below that the top of the crest is angled, where it must have sheared off at the factory. Urgh.



Here's what it is supposed to look like (and what it looks like on my 2nd Victorion that I'm about to photograph) ...



Fortunately, I've got a spare Victorion for the time being where this is not broken.

Can you confirm it is not broken on other Victorion figures? I'm wondering if this is another case of clipping something long and sharpish for toy safety guidelines, like they did for a movie figure, I think. I don't remember which one it was....

Per my quote that you quoted

Seibertron wrote:Here's what it is supposed to look like (and what it looks like on my 2nd Victorion that I'm about to photograph) ...



Fortunately, I've got a spare Victorion for the time being where this is not broken.

I wasn't sure if the "spare" was the one used in the photos and another one is on the way...

[Edit] Oh, and as I take a closer look, there appears to be additional differences from the box art and your photos, with that black recessed area being smaller in the box art the most obvious...

Once again, the legends chest minion (what's her name again?) is shown in the back of the box to tab much lower on victorion's chest just like groove in early photos of defensor. What's up with that?

The Constructicon colors are visually appealing, not puke green and puke off-red. The Victorion color scheme stands out as pretty gross even amidst the sea of other CW and UW combiner color schemes.

She came out really nice. I can't wait to get her!

Red and green are not the greatest color combination, mostly in part to color blindness. I have an extremely mild form of it, mostly with extreme shades of red or green that border on being brown.

Colour (color) blindness (colour vision deficiency, or CVD) affects approximately 1 in 12 men (8%) and 1 in 200 women in the world. In Britain this means that there are approximately 2.7 million colour blind people (about 4.5% of the entire population), most of whom are male.

If you've never done a color blind test before, give one a whirl. I wasn't even aware that I had a mild form of it until about 5 years ago one Thanksgiving when my brother-in-law started passing around his phone that had a color blind app on it. I thought everyone was screwing with me because I couldn't see one of the numbers that the rest of them could see plain as day.

http://enchroma.com/test/instructions/
http://colorvisiontesting.com/ishihara.htm

I'm assuming that the degrees with how people "see" red and greens, that this impacts your perception of whether or not the Victorion set has a decent color scheme or not. Of course, personal opinion obviously comes into play, but it's more complex with this set because of the red and green color palette.

Just took those tests and I have good vision, no color blindness to those. Cool!

Man I frikkin' hate color blind tests. Only once in a great while do I see something that is challenging for me to see with reds and greens, but these damn color blind tests throw me for a loop!

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:She came out really nice. I can't wait to get her!

I can't wait either. I even picked up a Wreck Gar to give he an option for an orange bra, girl's gotta options.

That was fun and informative! I always assumed I had a slight skew in my color perception just by default of being male. I had heard all men see color different then women.

I have perfect color vision!
This is a relief due to the creative nature of many of my endeavors.

Thanks Dr. Seibsie!

Although I am still unclear on my opinion of Vicky's colors. There are other factors that bother me more, but I will say she has grown on me. Still really like the concept of a gang of super tough ladies. GIRL POWER punch to the face!

Deadput wrote:

philswitch engage wrote:Devastator is iconic in his neon green and purple scheme.

Iconic doesn't mean pretty the Constructicons have always had an ugly color scheme no matter how you spin it.


I bet that if Victorion was from the original G1 toyline no one would care and they would call her colors iconic cause nostalgia is a blinding thing.

It's not just the color scheme, but some of the individual bots have horrible head sculpts as well. I really enjoy the head for the combined figure, but the 2 cars heads' are very off putting to me.

The science behind colour-vision is pretty fascinating! (Thanks to the oddities of the X-chromosome, it's actually possible (but quite rare) for XX people to have 4-6-colour vision. It's an understudied subject, sadly.)

Deadput wrote:

philswitch engage wrote:Devastator is iconic in his neon green and purple scheme.

Iconic doesn't mean pretty the Constructicons have always had an ugly color scheme no matter how you spin it.

I'd say almost all Combiners have colour schemes that are a bit screwy one way or another (consequence of trying to make the colour layouts work for individual and combined forms), but Victorion's problem might be that her paintjob's awkward in a different manner to preexisting combiners. Guys like Devastator have the "monochromatic blob" problem, guys like Menasor have the "we're not even trying" problem (although that does seem to be fairly effective at deflecting critique).

Victorion comes off as kind of "crumbly" - the colour layouts of her individual components are already fairly small and jumbled, which only gets more noticeable when they're all stuck together. I think she would've benefited from her colours being mapped in larger blocks, and maybe mixing up the colour scheme between some limbs (cars teal w/ cerulean, copters rust w/ white etc).

Deadput wrote:I bet that if Victorion was from the original G1 toyline no one would care and they would call her colors iconic cause nostalgia is a blinding thing.

Yeah, new characters get held to weirdly high standards that legacy characters don't. Iconic/traditional is more of an excuse than a reason.

philswitch engage wrote:
It's not just the color scheme, but some of the individual bots have horrible head sculpts as well. I really enjoy the head for the combined figure, but the 2 cars heads' are very off putting to me.

How are they horrible though?

Hardly any different from most fembot head sculpts hell one of the car bots has Nightbird's headsculpt (The look not mold)

It's because their new characters isn't it?

Deadput wrote:

philswitch engage wrote:
It's not just the color scheme, but some of the individual bots have horrible head sculpts as well. I really enjoy the head for the combined figure, but the 2 cars heads' are very off putting to me.

How are they horrible though?

Hardly any different from most fembot head sculpts hell one of the car bots has Nightbird's headsculpt (The look not mold)

It's because their new characters isn't it?

Stormclash and Jumpstream have a very forced feminine look, especially because of the "lipstick" they painted on each figure. I also find Jumpstream's oval head with the weird brow to be some sort of amalgamation of Arcee and Windblade that just comes off looking disproportionate.

I enjoy the characters looks and story in the IDW books, so this is not about them being new characters.

Finally, I really get the impression that you are trying to bait me into some sort of argument. If that's the case than that is pretty juvenile.

Cobotron wrote:That was fun and informative! I always assumed I had a slight skew in my color perception just by default of being male. I had heard all men see color different then women.

Yeah. Women see beige or pink and I just see boobs.

Turns out i have normal colour vision woohoo!

Agamemnon wrote:[Edit] Oh, and as I take a closer look, there appears to be additional differences from the box art and your photos, with that black recessed area being smaller in the box art the most obvious...

Yeah I think its simply a different head. All those crest edges look different but none look broken.

philswitch engage wrote:
Stormclash and Jumpstream have a very forced feminine look, especially because of the "lipstick" they painted on each figure. .

Must hate Strongarm, Prime Arcee, Windblade and Chromia.


So your faulting fembots for looking like fembots?

philswitch engage wrote:
Stormclash and Jumpstream have a very forced feminine look, especially because of the "lipstick" they painted on each figure.

Do you feel the same for what Takara did with Roadrage? Just wondering.

william-james88 wrote:

philswitch engage wrote:
Stormclash and Jumpstream have a very forced feminine look, especially because of the "lipstick" they painted on each figure.

Do you feel the same for what Takara did with Roadrage? Just wondering.

No, the sculpting on that figure is much more natural. If they had added a heavy coat of bright red paint on that face, maybe I would think other wise.

Over all I think that figure is a great example of how to make a robotic figure have softer features. But then again that's the difference you get in quality with a Masterpiece vs a deluxe

philswitch engage wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

philswitch engage wrote:
Stormclash and Jumpstream have a very forced feminine look, especially because of the "lipstick" they painted on each figure.

Do you feel the same for what Takara did with Roadrage? Just wondering.

No, the sculpting on that figure is much more natural. If they had added a heavy coat of bright red paint on that face, maybe I would think other wise.

Over all I think that figure is a great example of how to make a robotic figure have softer features. But then again that's the difference you get in quality with a Masterpiece vs a deluxe

Yeah, I think its a great example too (of changing a mold for a different gender) but for deluxes I dont think what they did is all that bad. And as with Strongarm and other lady tfs, they can have whatever body they want. Of course it would be more convincing if this was the first time we saw these molds rather than seeing it on male tfs before. Hasbro was in a tough spot with these retools but I think they did ok in the end. The only one that doesnt work for me is the one based on the breakdown mold but I think its just because of myfeelings towards that mold

I'd love to see images of the copter sisters as arms. It's how they are combined in the comics!

Deadput wrote:

philswitch engage wrote:Devastator is iconic in his neon green and purple scheme.

Iconic doesn't mean pretty the Constructicons have always had an ugly color scheme no matter how you spin it.

I'll spin it this way: It's a matter of opinion. I happen to think that Devastator is the most visually appealing gestalt, because of the color scheme. Other than the chest, arms, and a few spots on the legs, he's all green, not a jumble and mish-mash of a bunch of different shapes and colors that just look like a walking junkyard like most, if not all, the other gestalts. Predaking is perhaps an exception, as well as JRX from Car Robots. Otherwise, the rest of the gestalt aren't as visually pleasing to me as Devy. But as I said, my opinion.

SillySpringer wrote:I'd love to see images of the copter sisters as arms. It's how they are combined in the comics!

Yes, I also think they would look better with the cars as legs and the copters as arms.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:I'd love to see images of the copter sisters as arms. It's how they are combined in the comics!

Yes, I also think they would look better with the cars as legs and the copters as arms.

That is what I meant.