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Some people like it, some hate it... I think i'm just gonna go and transform my Masterpiece Megatron a few more times...

Koloth wrote:You know I think people are missing the brillance of some of these designs. Notice how most of them come really very close to the cartoon model with virtually no kibble. These are really well designed for once. And really these are no worse than the movie designs were when we first saw those. The proportions are a bit odd but then again they aren't human they shouldn't nessarily have human proportions.

Oh don't get me wrong...even though I don't like the toys or the cartoon, I'm very impressed with their ability to match the animation models. I have to give credit where credit is due, and Hasbro did an excellent job with that aspect. Still, they're just not my cup of tea and I see nothing wrong with that. Also, I thought they actually looked more human-esque than they needed to. That's part of the thing that turned me off about them.

Lord-Megatron wrote:

Ironfist wrote:This is worse than Action Masters.

In tech specs change your int. To a 7............. Have you played with these toys really wait till you mess with it or see it to declair it bad. Pictures dont do much for toys you should have learned that from movie toy pics.

Wow. He's giving his opinion, his personal opinion and said nothing derogatory to anyone. Just simply stated how he felt.
...and you personally attack him for it.

Perhaps you should change your rudeness rating to at least a 1. From my standpoint, it's so high, you have to come down some just to hit the top of the meter.

Autobot032 wrote:

Koloth wrote:You know I think people are missing the brillance of some of these designs. Notice how most of them come really very close to the cartoon model with virtually no kibble. These are really well designed for once. And really these are no worse than the movie designs were when we first saw those. The proportions are a bit odd but then again they aren't human they shouldn't nessarily have human proportions.

Oh don't get me wrong...even though I don't like the toys or the cartoon, I'm very impressed with their ability to match the animation models. I have to give credit where credit is due, and Hasbro did an excellent job with that aspect. Still, they're just not my cup of tea and I see nothing wrong with that. Also, I thought they actually looked more human-esque than they needed to. That's part of the thing that turned me off about them.

Lord-Megatron wrote:

Ironfist wrote:This is worse than Action Masters.

In tech specs change your int. To a 7............. Have you played with these toys really wait till you mess with it or see it to declair it bad. Pictures dont do much for toys you should have learned that from movie toy pics.

Wow. He's giving his opinion, his personal opinion and said nothing derogatory to anyone. Just simply stated how he felt.
...and you personally attack him for it.

Perhaps you should change your rudeness rating to at least a 1. From my standpoint, it's so high, you have to come down some just to hit the top of the meter.

CALl BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL MADE IN CHINA!!!!!!!! But still people look at pic ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wow dis is gonan suk then alllllllll the sudden they see it in real life and mess with it and they love it!!!!!!!! Hold onnnnnnnnn why the **** am i arguing over toys.........Hold onn kick ass a rudeness meter i need one of those and while im at it ill go get some wine.The really cool thing about it is when i express my opinion the same happens to me.

For someone who loves realistic looking alt modes, I love these toys! They look really fun to play. I think the transformations and the design of the alt modes are very sophisticated, even if they look like anime.

In the end, it's all about the fun. I'm getting at least 3 of these for sure.

COME WITH ME MY BROTHERS BRING BACK STEVEN THE CELL PHONE!

Once again, it seems the entire point of the figures and cartoon are lost on us as collectors. They aren't making these toys for us...they are making them for KIDS (granted some of us adults are less grown up than others...). If the KIDS like the cartoon OR if the KIDS like the toys they are liable to beg to watch/have-parents-buy buy the other. If the KIDS like it, they will grow up liking them and we will continue to have TF's far into the future. Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if these type of forums existed when they shrunk GI Joe to the three inch figures? "OMG, they will NEVER sell!" "Dear God, they don't have Kung Fu grip! Nobody will want them!" Kind of a funny thought...but I digress. Hasbro does cater to the collectors/fans in many ways- classic colors, familiar names, some similar storylines, Autobots vs Decepticons (though Beast Wars was a deviation from that, successful though it was), but all in all for every 1 figure sold to collectors, 1,000 figures will be sold to parents with kids or kids spending their allowances. You just can't bank on 0.1% to maintain a good clientele...it's the 99% that will make you the most money. So honestly, look at these figs from a kids point of view. What mattered to us as kids? Figures that LOOKED LIKE THE CARTOONS! Guess what? We have figures that LOOK LIKE THE CARTOON! Oh the horror!!!

anyone know when these toys are due?

First-Aid wrote:Once again, it seems the entire point of the figures and cartoon are lost on us as collectors. They aren't making these toys for us...they are making them for KIDS (granted some of us adults are less grown up than others...). If the KIDS like the cartoon OR if the KIDS like the toys they are liable to beg to watch/have-parents-buy buy the other. If the KIDS like it, they will grow up liking them and we will continue to have TF's far into the future. Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if these type of forums existed when they shrunk GI Joe to the three inch figures? "OMG, they will NEVER sell!" "Dear God, they don't have Kung Fu grip! Nobody will want them!" Kind of a funny thought...but I digress. Hasbro does cater to the collectors/fans in many ways- classic colors, familiar names, some similar storylines, Autobots vs Decepticons (though Beast Wars was a deviation from that, successful though it was), but all in all for every 1 figure sold to collectors, 1,000 figures will be sold to parents with kids or kids spending their allowances. You just can't bank on 0.1% to maintain a good clientele...it's the 99% that will make you the most money. So honestly, look at these figs from a kids point of view. What mattered to us as kids? Figures that LOOKED LIKE THE CARTOONS! Guess what? We have figures that LOOK LIKE THE CARTOON! Oh the horror!!!

yeah but we had to wait years apon years to get our TV accurate figures in the Masterpiece line up..

Plus our cartoons had more of a realistic look to the characters..

Lord~Megatron wrote:CALl BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL MADE IN CHINA!!!!!!!! But still people look at pic ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wow dis is gonan suk then alllllllll the sudden they see it in real life and mess with it and they love it!!!!!!!! Hold onnnnnnnnn why the **** am i arguing over toys.........Hold onn kick ass a rudeness meter i need one of those and while im at it ill go get some wine.The really cool thing about it is when i express my opinion the same happens to me.

Is anyone else here really confused or is it just me? Dude are you speaking English?

First-Aid wrote:What mattered to us as kids? Figures that LOOKED LIKE THE CARTOONS! Guess what? We have figures that LOOK LIKE THE CARTOON! Oh the horror!!!

There's an attraction to collecting anime figures, and as anime toys, these transformers are amazing. If you compare these to the typical Final Fantasy figures, then you will realize how lucky we are. Not only are these figures superb looking, but the transformations are sophisticated.

When I look at some of the bot modes, I am amazed that they actually look like the alt modes when transformed. The figures look so GOOD! With even the movie transformers, the bots had to be compromised because of certain features of the alt mode or limitations of size (eg. Voyager Starscream), whereas these animated Transformers look absolutely fantastic in bot mode.

I was immediately won over by the quality of the bot and alt modes. I guarantee that these will be highly valuable in the future, just because future generations will recognize the incredible quality of these toys.

Take a second look at the alt mode of Megatron - it looks straight out of a movie. The alt mode of Cybertron Megatron looks like a friggin kids toy.

In my opinion, this range of toys are easily the MOST exciting thing to come out besides the original G1 toys, and the movie toys. In some ways, I think these are even better than the movie toys. The bot modes are EASILY the best looking bots of any tranforming toy range ever made.

The reason I think this, is because when I look at the bot modes - they look straight out of the cartoon - in other words they look like static non-tranformable bot modes, because the quality is so good.

I'm actually impressed how well They pulled off the cartoon look in the toys. I'm still holding judgment for more pics though

I said it before, when I saw Soundwave, I thought...

First-Aid wrote:

Lord~Megatron wrote:CALl BATMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LOL MADE IN CHINA!!!!!!!! But still people look at pic ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh wow dis is gonan suk then alllllllll the sudden they see it in real life and mess with it and they love it!!!!!!!! Hold onnnnnnnnn why the **** am i arguing over toys.........Hold onn kick ass a rudeness meter i need one of those and while im at it ill go get some wine.The really cool thing about it is when i express my opinion the same happens to me.

Is anyone else here really confused or is it just me? Dude are you speaking English?

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skywarp-2 wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Once again, it seems the entire point of the figures and cartoon are lost on us as collectors. They aren't making these toys for us...they are making them for KIDS (granted some of us adults are less grown up than others...). If the KIDS like the cartoon OR if the KIDS like the toys they are liable to beg to watch/have-parents-buy buy the other. If the KIDS like it, they will grow up liking them and we will continue to have TF's far into the future. Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if these type of forums existed when they shrunk GI Joe to the three inch figures? "OMG, they will NEVER sell!" "Dear God, they don't have Kung Fu grip! Nobody will want them!" Kind of a funny thought...but I digress. Hasbro does cater to the collectors/fans in many ways- classic colors, familiar names, some similar storylines, Autobots vs Decepticons (though Beast Wars was a deviation from that, successful though it was), but all in all for every 1 figure sold to collectors, 1,000 figures will be sold to parents with kids or kids spending their allowances. You just can't bank on 0.1% to maintain a good clientele...it's the 99% that will make you the most money. So honestly, look at these figs from a kids point of view. What mattered to us as kids? Figures that LOOKED LIKE THE CARTOONS! Guess what? We have figures that LOOK LIKE THE CARTOON! Oh the horror!!!

yeah but we had to wait years apon years to get our TV accurate figures in the Masterpiece line up..

Plus our cartoons had more of a realistic look to the characters..

True, but how can you truly say "realistic" when you are talking about entirely fictional characters? Especially in a setting roughly 100 years in our future? For all we know, the human race will evolve to look like that scary little girl...(which would actually justify genocide IMO)

The animation still stinks. They are animated with human fluidity. That is impossible since they have metal bodies. Metal or any alloy does not bend around like jelly, and the mouths are all over the place. They're ROBOTS, not Teen-Titans wearing armor.

That aside, some of the toys seem pretty decent. That Blitzwing looks pretty tight, as does Starscream. BB looks fairly decent. Starscream is nice, but his face is just...wrong. The rest don't really appeal to me.

ajy101 wrote:

First-Aid wrote:What mattered to us as kids? Figures that LOOKED LIKE THE CARTOONS! Guess what? We have figures that LOOK LIKE THE CARTOON! Oh the horror!!!

There's an attraction to collecting anime figures, and as anime toys, these transformers are amazing. If you compare these to the typical Final Fantasy figures, then you will realize how lucky we are. Not only are these figures superb looking, but the transformations are sophisticated.

When I look at some of the bot modes, I am amazed that they actually look like the alt modes when transformed. The figures look so GOOD! With even the movie transformers, the bots had to be compromised because of certain features of the alt mode or limitations of size (eg. Voyager Starscream), whereas these animated Transformers look absolutely fantastic in bot mode.

I was immediately won over by the quality of the bot and alt modes. I guarantee that these will be highly valuable in the future, just because future generations will recognize the incredible quality of these toys.

Hold onn 1 secong i just relized somthing that just made me scream YEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If optimus and megatron are both voyagers i think that is the largest figure class in this series wich means NO LIGHTS AND SOUNDS OMG THAT ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sportimus Prime wrote:

I think I'm going to agree with Sportimus.
This may be the year I save money up for older TFs (Movie, Classics, G1) and Magic cards. (or really do Hasbro a number and jump back on my LEGO kick!)

ajy101 wrote:

First-Aid wrote:What mattered to us as kids? Figures that LOOKED LIKE THE CARTOONS! Guess what? We have figures that LOOK LIKE THE CARTOON! Oh the horror!!!

There's an attraction to collecting anime figures, and as anime toys, these transformers are amazing. If you compare these to the typical Final Fantasy figures, then you will realize how lucky we are. Not only are these figures superb looking, but the transformations are sophisticated.

When I look at some of the bot modes, I am amazed that they actually look like the alt modes when transformed. The figures look so GOOD! With even the movie transformers, the bots had to be compromised because of certain features of the alt mode or limitations of size (eg. Voyager Starscream), whereas these animated Transformers look absolutely fantastic in bot mode.

I was immediately won over by the quality of the bot and alt modes. I guarantee that these will be highly valuable in the future, just because future generations will recognize the incredible quality of these toys.

Great point! I concur...consider your argumented seconded. Do we have a quorum for voting?

First-Aid wrote:

skywarp-2 wrote:

First-Aid wrote:Once again, it seems the entire point of the figures and cartoon are lost on us as collectors. They aren't making these toys for us...they are making them for KIDS (granted some of us adults are less grown up than others...). If the KIDS like the cartoon OR if the KIDS like the toys they are liable to beg to watch/have-parents-buy buy the other. If the KIDS like it, they will grow up liking them and we will continue to have TF's far into the future. Can you imagine what the reaction would have been if these type of forums existed when they shrunk GI Joe to the three inch figures? "OMG, they will NEVER sell!" "Dear God, they don't have Kung Fu grip! Nobody will want them!" Kind of a funny thought...but I digress. Hasbro does cater to the collectors/fans in many ways- classic colors, familiar names, some similar storylines, Autobots vs Decepticons (though Beast Wars was a deviation from that, successful though it was), but all in all for every 1 figure sold to collectors, 1,000 figures will be sold to parents with kids or kids spending their allowances. You just can't bank on 0.1% to maintain a good clientele...it's the 99% that will make you the most money. So honestly, look at these figs from a kids point of view. What mattered to us as kids? Figures that LOOKED LIKE THE CARTOONS! Guess what? We have figures that LOOK LIKE THE CARTOON! Oh the horror!!!

yeah but we had to wait years apon years to get our TV accurate figures in the Masterpiece line up..

Plus our cartoons had more of a realistic look to the characters..

True, but how can you truly say "realistic" when you are talking about entirely fictional characters? Especially in a setting roughly 100 years in our future? For all we know, the human race will evolve to look like that scary little girl...(which would actually justify genocide IMO)

actually...sorry I spit chocolate milk out when I read that last part, very funny...I meant the 80's show was realistically designed... these are clearly not, and yeah fictional or not, G-1 had a "realism" to it..Yet, I can see Beast Wars happening in Live action one day...

Anythow, these designs are still nice though and it opens the door for highly stylized versions of other characters..

Dude i just heard that waspinator might make it in to the show.GOD LET MCNIEL VOICE HIM I LOVE THAT GUY! Also they said lockdown would be like bobafett

Take a good look at the above bot - can you honestly say you've seen a better looking bot? I would never have guessed it transformed. It looks like one of those fake static renditions of the bot mode that doesn't transform.

Everything about this bot is proportioned properly. There's no compromises to hands, leg size, arm size, body size or head size. I can honestly say that even the legendary Yamato 1:48 VF-1S bot mode doesn't hold a candle to the look of this bot.

ajy101 wrote:

Take a good look at the above bot - can you honestly say you've seen a better looking bot? I would never have guessed it transformed. It looks like one of those fake static renditions of the bot mode that doesn't transform.

Everything about this bot is proportioned properly. There's no compromises to hands, leg size, arm size, body size or head size. I can honestly say that even the legendary Yamato 1:48 VF-1S bot mode doesn't hold a candle to the look of this bot.

Pic dont work.

I still can't believe how good they look, and so smoothe as well. I guess its different strokes for different folks. Some(maybe more then some) do not like the look at them..but for some reason I am really digging these guys. I for one am looking forward to both the figures and the show.

Yep, pretty much only Bumblebee and Grimlock look decent, the rest just don't do anything for me.

Yeah there starting to grow on me as well. Which is scary because I said after the movie I would take a break from collecting untill the classics 2.0 came out but oh well there goes the resolution out the window.