Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:It's not a question of the method of killing, it's the question of frequency. You are what you repeatedly do. In the first one, Optimus decapitated but one Decepticon. In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face. In DOTM, he brutally murdered a weakened Megatron and defenseless Sentinel Prime, both of whom ought to have been either taken prisoner or exiled. In AoE, he goes full berserk. He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint. He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.
Starting to see my point yet? This guy's slagging scary.
That's why I like him.
Fine by me, psycho.
That kind of behavior isn't necessary and isn't appreciated here, Skywarp. Please don't do that again. Sly's words speak for themselves and don't require judgment, he presents himself as he is. Labels just make the matter worse.
Now, back on topic, I'll address your post:
Skywarp64 wrote:It's not a question of the method of killing, it's the question of frequency. You are what you repeatedly do.
So...every soldier is a cold, hardened killer? No. Sorry, but no. Scarred and damaged? Yes. Did it ever occur to you that Optimus wasn't always like this in the films? In the first one, he had to kill Bonecrusher. Bonecrusher ran through, and split in half, a bus full of people who most assuredly died. He flung cars full of people around on the highway. Prime stepped in and killed him when he had the chance. If it were a car chase and cops had to kill the driver before he killed anyone else, you don't think they'd take that shot? What about all the mobsters in the '20s? Cops shot them up like it was a shooting squad. Would one well placed round have done it? Sure. They got caught up in the moment and wasted full clips sometimes. Prime didn't even go that far. He got Bonecrusher away from the people and in a moment of battle, decapitated him with a good shot. I'd much rather he do that than allow Bonecrusher to mow down innocent people caught in the crosshairs.
Skywarp64 wrote:In the first one, Optimus decapitated but one Decepticon. In ROTF, he split Grindor's head in half, and also took off The Fallen's face. In DOTM, he brutally murdered a weakened Megatron and defenseless Sentinel Prime, both of whom ought to have been either taken prisoner or exiled.
Grindor, I'll give you. That was straight up Bayhem.
As for The Fallen, I'm not sure what the heck it was, but I won't lie, I was so disgusted with The Fallen by that point that when Optimus killed him, I was kinda like "Hell yeah! We won!"
As for DOTM, I hate this part because no one is willing to look at it logically and correctly. Megatron wasn't all that weakened. He had a head wound, yes, but all those little scalpel bots were slowly repairing him, plus he had no problem beating the hell out of Sentinel before shooting him. Not all that weak, I'd say. It also further proves he can't be trusted. He worked with the guy, came up with this grand scheme and in the end, puts a bullet in his back and beats him so hard his helmet comes off. Why? Because he was going to kill his arch enemy for him. That's a pretty messed up guy. Also, people like to bring up the fact that he wanted a truce with Optimus, but how is that a truce? He wanted to rule and that's not a partnership, that's not a truce, that's exactly what G1 Megatron's techspec calls it: Peace through tyranny. That's no way to live, and you know it.
And Sentinel? He wasn't defenseless, not really. He was incredibly intelligent. Had he been given just a few moments more, he probably could've convinced Optimus with his words and his "honor". Prior to that, he made the Decepticons kill THOUSANDS at his command. On top of that? He killed Ironhide and was going to kill the rest of the Autobots because he KNEW they'd stand in his way. Defenseless? Hardly. When you've gone down the evil rabbit hole as Sentinel had, you're defenseless sure, but only in the he's completely indefensible way. There's no court on Earth that would allow him to live. Like any killer dictator, we sentence them to death. He would've been sentenced to death in a heartbeat. The humans wouldn't have even given him what Optimus did: A quick and easy death. We'd have torn him apart, slowly, painfully and then we would've experimented on him.
Wait a tick... WE DID. We used his brain and Megatron's to create more monsters, which leads me to:
Skywarp64 wrote:In AoE, he goes full berserk. He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint. He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.
He raged out because his only friends and allies turned against him and started killing his own people. Not only that, they melted them down with nothing left. You know? He could've brought them back with the Matrix, but he wasn't given that chance. We took them from him and chopped them up and turned them into unGodly creations that had no right to exist. Let's say you had a pet cat or dog, and someone dug up that poor thing's carcass and reused it's rotting pieces to create a new cat or dog in their desired image. You'd not only be justifiably angry, but you'd be outright disgusted. What if they took someone's living pet, relative, friend, whatever they are to that person and killed them, then rebuilt them as something else? I think you'd lose it. I know I would. Why? That's horrible, it's disgusting, it's immoral and it's a level of evil no one should ever, ever cross. Yet, humanity did AND allowed it because the CIA/Cemetary Wind lied about it's efforts. Oh, and to do all of that over a fat payday? That's even lower.
This part?
Skywarp64 wrote:He tears through a human facility with little to no regard for its workers, destroys thousands of dollars worth of research in the process, and ultimately holds up one of the higher-ranking employees at gunpoint.
He does indeed tear through the facility, but NO one died or was injured. In fact, Crosshairs told them all to leave and they did just that. He fired his weapon into the air, never once at a single human. Prime? He shot up the unGodly creations Joshua and his bastard team of scientists had played God with. The humans in the facility were never once in danger, the Autobots let ALL of them go, including Joshua. And you better believe he destroyed the research, it's immoral and inhuman. As for sticking the gun in Joshua's face? Yeah, he did, because he wanted to tell him where to stick it. He also said he'd kill the person responsible for all of this and technically, Joshua was just as dirty as Attinger, and Prime not only let him go, but ended up working with him to some degree and let him live without so much as a word after he got his point across. What really bothers me is you know WHERE that thousands of dollars of research came from and the fact that Optimus destroyed it is what bothers you. That's scary. It really is. Have you actually sat down and thought about that? You're okay with them killing Autobots like Leadfoot and Ratchet and melting them down to create those soulless KSI bots, but you're not okay with Optimus going on a much smaller kill streak in anger and in defense of us? That...*shudders* That's scary.
And finally, we come to this:
Skywarp64 wrote:He then proceeds to storm savage Dinobots through Hong Kong and then set them loose on the world, which is supposed to be a happy ending but actually has horrifying implications.
Hong Kong was already shredded to pieces by Lockdown, Prime bring the Dinobots in as added muscle to help stop him was like throwing a pebble onto a mountain that had already been made out of a molehill. The Dinobots ran off, it's true, but after everything that's happened, there is ZERO reason to believe that they'll go and attack anyone or anything. They had the chance to go on a rampage when they left the docks, they could've trampled the people, instead, they ran off for the hills to be by themselves. If anything, they have the mindset of animals and just want to be left alone. Chances are we won't see them again in the film series and we won't hear about them causing any problems.
I'm sorry, but I can't agree with most of your points. I'll give you Grindor, but the rest of it? No. Especially the research part. No joke? That sent a shiver up my spine when I read that. Should Prime kill all the time and with every chance he gets? Of course not, but should we do the same? No. And one thing you must remember, Prime's a soldier now, thanks to us. Do you have any idea what soldiers must go through in times of war? Did you ever study up on Vietnam? The Gulf War? The War On Terrorism? Any of it? The atrocities our soldiers committed were sometimes just as bad as the people they were fighting and sometimes worse, but you want to say Optimus is horrible for doing the same thing he was taught? That just sucks. Plain and simple.
Skywarp64 wrote:Starting to see my point yet? This guy's slagging scary.
So are the people he defends us from. Let's do a quick run down, shall we?
-One beheading.
-Two faces ripped.
-Three injured Decepticons killed. (I'll count Sentinel among them, he was no Autobot.)
-Split Lockdown up the middle.
That's a FAR cry from a highway full of people (Bonecrusher), a village in the Middle East (The Fallen/Megatron), 3,000+ in Chicago (Sentinel/Megatron) and a city full of millions upon millions of people and priceless cultural relics (Lockdown). Oh and not to mention, nearly the remainder of his race wiped out by those he thought were friends and allies in a genocidal money making scheme. (Attinger/Joshua/KSI) Plus, in their egregious mindset of playing God, they (KSI) not only brought back one of the worst minds in history/the universe, they brought him back without a soul this time, so he has no fear and his body is better than ever, which will make him a REALLY tough target to kill. Plus, who knows which Autobots were used in his construction.
I'm going to give Optimus a solid pass, here. His killstreak PALES in comparison to those he stopped, in the effort to save us, even though we have no right to his protection.
He's a scary guy, huh? No, he has to do scary things because he's the one who has to get his hands dirty to save us, just like every other soldier, while we sit in judgement from afar and change the channel when we don't like it.
What's scary are the people who allow such atrocities to even happen in the first place. What's scary is the mindset that thousands of dollars of research and development are worth more than the lives it took.
NOTE: Realize that I am not a perfect Christian, nor do I profess to be. I apologize if anyone's ever offended by me, I'm not perfect. Don't hold my posts and opinions against other Christians.