Adimus Prime wrote:This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.
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D-Maximus_Prime wrote: I thought the Daleks had him?
Hellscream9999 wrote: They do
The truth is revealed
Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:But Galvatron, I wasn't expecting him to do much of anything.
And he didn't. He had 2 or 3 lines, he complained about how the Autobots were ruining everything, then just gave up, saying "Eh, I'll get you later".
He started the entire uprising and gave a speech.
As I recall, that "uprising" was crushed within minutes.
Megatron's always been a joke in Bay's films and, frankly, I'm sick of it.
First he was a terrible pilot who crashed in the arctic where he was stuck for literally thousands of years, including most of the first movie until the last 25 minutes or so.
Then, he willingly debased himself before The Fallen.
Then, he was a total wuss who pretty much handed his command over to Sentinel and put up no fight whatsoever when Optimus attacked him.
Now, he's a whiny bitch who, apart from the part you mentioned, does little more than complain about how the Autobots are ruining everything, never actually confronting said Autobots to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, then just sort of walking away, figuring "eh, I'll get you later".
It's high time Bay realized that ending a film like this DOES NOT guarantee a sequel, so Galvatron should get to have his moment now. You can't count on another movie being released to save his shining moment for.
Adimus Prime wrote:This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.
SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:But Galvatron, I wasn't expecting him to do much of anything.
And he didn't. He had 2 or 3 lines, he complained about how the Autobots were ruining everything, then just gave up, saying "Eh, I'll get you later".
He started the entire uprising and gave a speech.
As I recall, that "uprising" was crushed within minutes.
Megatron's always been a **** joke in Bay's films and, frankly, I'm sick of it.
First he was a terrible pilot who crashed in the arctic where he was stuck for literally thousands of years, including most of the first movie until the last 25 minutes or so.
Then, he willingly debased himself before The Fallen.
Then, he was a total wuss who pretty much handed his command over to Sentinel and put up no fight whatsoever when Optimus attacked him.
Now, he's a whiny bitch who, apart from the part you mentioned, does little more than complain about how the Autobots are ruining everything, never actually confronting said Autobots to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, then just sort of walking away, figuring "eh, I'll get you later".
It's high time Bay realized that ending a film like this DOES NOT guarantee a sequel, so Galvatron should get to have his moment now. You can't count on another movie being released to save his shining moment for.
He was a joke in G1. What's changed?
Autobot tap out wrote:
i hope y'all realize once Va'al gets back from wherever and reads these post insulting his favorite character , somebody's not going to be a happy camper
LOST Cybertronian wrote: He is currently tied up in the Seibertron.com basement. When we see fit to let him go, you can be sure he will give his opinions on the subject.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote: I thought the Daleks had him?
Hellscream9999 wrote: They do
The truth is revealed
SlyTF1 wrote:Adimus Prime wrote:This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.
Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.
Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.
Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?
The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.
Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.
Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.
Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.
And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.
Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.
Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.
Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.
Shuttershock wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Adimus Prime wrote:This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.
Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.
Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.
Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?
The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.
Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.
Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.
Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.
And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.
Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.
Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.
Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.
I think the point the original poster was trying to make is that we had to infer answers to all of the above plot holes, because the movie was lacking scenes to provide any context for what was happening. Now I'm not saying that you're answers were wrong or that all movies have to spell out everything, but I think a movie's story should have better quality control than that.
Forgetting that it's a Transformer movie, a Michael Bay Transformer movie, it's still a huge budget mainstream blockbuster movie that a lot of people put time and effort into. Shouldn't the script quality be better than that in terms of loose ends, pacing and characterization?
SlyTF1 wrote:Shuttershock wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Adimus Prime wrote:This movie was the best one yet. Yes, It's a Bay flick, so there were things I hated about it. But overall it was a big improvement. Why all of the sudden these new Autobots just appear no one knows. Why the humans would go ahead building Galvatron when obviously Megatron was taking over makes no sense. Why Bumblebee is even more immature, anyone's guess. What happened to Sam and his fam? What happened to Ratchet's spark? What happened to Lockdown's ship at the end? Where is Barricade? What happened to then hatchlings? What were those swords about a the end when Prime grabbed one and turned into a knight? Why does Prime suddenly have jet thrusters? Why was Prime about to scan a truck, turn into a different, brand new truck and be fully repaired all of the sudden? Why don't any of the Autobots even care about human life? What happened to Prime's motto, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings?" He obviously no longer cares about the humans safety. Why did Prime leave the Bots on earth at the end? Why does Galvatron have no spark? Who were Lockdown's compatriots. Anyhow. theose were my initial questions.
Megatron wasn't "obviously" doing anything.
Sam and his family probably got slaughtered by the humans. I hope so.
Where is Barricade? He got killed in DOTM. Did you not watch the movie?
The hatchlings were probably killed by the humans.
Lockdown took Ratchet's spark.
Galvatron and his minions took Lockdown's ship.
Why should the Autobots care about human life? The humans were trying to kill them, and experimenting on their corpses.
And about Optimus's motto, it's like Lockdown said; when you have that kind of loyalty to a cause or an idea, that cause will always betray you.
Optimus left Earth because he endangered the rest of the Autbots and the world by staying there.
Galvatron has no spark because the humans created him.
Lockdown's dudes are Cybertronian mercenaries.
I think the point the original poster was trying to make is that we had to infer answers to all of the above plot holes, because the movie was lacking scenes to provide any context for what was happening. Now I'm not saying that you're answers were wrong or that all movies have to spell out everything, but I think a movie's story should have better quality control than that.
Forgetting that it's a Transformer movie, a Michael Bay Transformer movie, it's still a huge budget mainstream blockbuster movie that a lot of people put time and effort into. Shouldn't the script quality be better than that in terms of loose ends, pacing and characterization?
I like the TF movies because they DON'T explain everything. That's why I get so pissed when people say you have to turn off your brain to enjoy these movies. You really don't. You understand the movie more if you actually pay attention and think about things instead of taking everything the movie says at face value, without going any deeper.
Autobot tap out wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:But Galvatron, I wasn't expecting him to do much of anything.
And he didn't. He had 2 or 3 lines, he complained about how the Autobots were ruining everything, then just gave up, saying "Eh, I'll get you later".
He started the entire uprising and gave a speech.
As I recall, that "uprising" was crushed within minutes.
Megatron's always been a **** joke in Bay's films and, frankly, I'm sick of it.
First he was a terrible pilot who crashed in the arctic where he was stuck for literally thousands of years, including most of the first movie until the last 25 minutes or so.
Then, he willingly debased himself before The Fallen.
Then, he was a total wuss who pretty much handed his command over to Sentinel and put up no fight whatsoever when Optimus attacked him.
Now, he's a whiny bitch who, apart from the part you mentioned, does little more than complain about how the Autobots are ruining everything, never actually confronting said Autobots to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, then just sort of walking away, figuring "eh, I'll get you later".
It's high time Bay realized that ending a film like this DOES NOT guarantee a sequel, so Galvatron should get to have his moment now. You can't count on another movie being released to save his shining moment for.
He was a joke in G1. What's changed?
He in the animated film was close to epic after with him all wonko post movie he went downhill with cyclonus being a better leader ... >:oP
Shuttershock wrote:Autobot tap out wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:But Galvatron, I wasn't expecting him to do much of anything.
And he didn't. He had 2 or 3 lines, he complained about how the Autobots were ruining everything, then just gave up, saying "Eh, I'll get you later".
He started the entire uprising and gave a speech.
As I recall, that "uprising" was crushed within minutes.
Megatron's always been a **** joke in Bay's films and, frankly, I'm sick of it.
First he was a terrible pilot who crashed in the arctic where he was stuck for literally thousands of years, including most of the first movie until the last 25 minutes or so.
Then, he willingly debased himself before The Fallen.
Then, he was a total wuss who pretty much handed his command over to Sentinel and put up no fight whatsoever when Optimus attacked him.
Now, he's a whiny bitch who, apart from the part you mentioned, does little more than complain about how the Autobots are ruining everything, never actually confronting said Autobots to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, then just sort of walking away, figuring "eh, I'll get you later".
It's high time Bay realized that ending a film like this DOES NOT guarantee a sequel, so Galvatron should get to have his moment now. You can't count on another movie being released to save his shining moment for.
He was a joke in G1. What's changed?
He in the animated film was close to epic after with him all wonko post movie he went downhill with cyclonus being a better leader ... >:oP
Plus, a lot of time has passed since G1 and Galvatron. We've got significantly more budget going into the movies and, supposedly, the writing staff. Shouldn't we expect some kind of evolution in terms of the quality of villainy?
Since then, we've had a range of Transformers villains, from charismatic BW Megatron to noble Armada Starscream, and even those are over ten years old now. This characterization of Megatron/Galvatron is the best they can do?
Autobot tap out wrote:
i hope y'all realize once Va'al gets back from wherever and reads these post insulting his favorite character , somebody's not going to be a happy camper
LOST Cybertronian wrote: He is currently tied up in the Seibertron.com basement. When we see fit to let him go, you can be sure he will give his opinions on the subject.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote: I thought the Daleks had him?
Hellscream9999 wrote: They do
The truth is revealed
It Is Him wrote:This thread is a giant wall of text
Autobot tap out wrote:Shuttershock wrote:Autobot tap out wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:But Galvatron, I wasn't expecting him to do much of anything.
And he didn't. He had 2 or 3 lines, he complained about how the Autobots were ruining everything, then just gave up, saying "Eh, I'll get you later".
He started the entire uprising and gave a speech.
As I recall, that "uprising" was crushed within minutes.
Megatron's always been a **** joke in Bay's films and, frankly, I'm sick of it.
First he was a terrible pilot who crashed in the arctic where he was stuck for literally thousands of years, including most of the first movie until the last 25 minutes or so.
Then, he willingly debased himself before The Fallen.
Then, he was a total wuss who pretty much handed his command over to Sentinel and put up no fight whatsoever when Optimus attacked him.
Now, he's a whiny bitch who, apart from the part you mentioned, does little more than complain about how the Autobots are ruining everything, never actually confronting said Autobots to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, then just sort of walking away, figuring "eh, I'll get you later".
It's high time Bay realized that ending a film like this DOES NOT guarantee a sequel, so Galvatron should get to have his moment now. You can't count on another movie being released to save his shining moment for.
He was a joke in G1. What's changed?
He in the animated film was close to epic after with him all wonko post movie he went downhill with cyclonus being a better leader ... >:oP
Plus, a lot of time has passed since G1 and Galvatron. We've got significantly more budget going into the movies and, supposedly, the writing staff. Shouldn't we expect some kind of evolution in terms of the quality of villainy?
Since then, we've had a range of Transformers villains, from charismatic BW Megatron to noble Armada Starscream, and even those are over ten years old now. This characterization of Megatron/Galvatron is the best they can do?
I was born and raised at the end of the beast era, been through rid(I think it is boring), UT, animated , bay verse movies, prime (loooved it) and now looking back,I think that even though it is plagued with animation errors UT has a place in my heart which I started with my enjoyment of the franchise
sicstep wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:I'm sorry, but in no world is killing Frasier to save Marky Mark ok.
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!! TOO. FUNNY!!! HAHAHAHA!!!
Burn wrote:MegaDump wrote:This pains me greatly. It all but guarantees a continuation of the Bayverse crap-fest into perpetuity.
Shuttershock wrote:It Is Him wrote:This thread is a giant wall of text
That'll happen when your passionate/opinionated about your thoughts. Still, I think it's managed to stay pretty thoughtful and well-balanced with comments and arguments.
Autobot tap out wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:But Galvatron, I wasn't expecting him to do much of anything.
And he didn't. He had 2 or 3 lines, he complained about how the Autobots were ruining everything, then just gave up, saying "Eh, I'll get you later".
He started the entire uprising and gave a speech.
As I recall, that "uprising" was crushed within minutes.
Megatron's always been a **** joke in Bay's films and, frankly, I'm sick of it.
First he was a terrible pilot who crashed in the arctic where he was stuck for literally thousands of years, including most of the first movie until the last 25 minutes or so.
Then, he willingly debased himself before The Fallen.
Then, he was a total wuss who pretty much handed his command over to Sentinel and put up no fight whatsoever when Optimus attacked him.
Now, he's a whiny bitch who, apart from the part you mentioned, does little more than complain about how the Autobots are ruining everything, never actually confronting said Autobots to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, then just sort of walking away, figuring "eh, I'll get you later".
It's high time Bay realized that ending a film like this DOES NOT guarantee a sequel, so Galvatron should get to have his moment now. You can't count on another movie being released to save his shining moment for.
He was a joke in G1. What's changed?
He in the animated film was close to epic after with him all wonko post movie he went downhill with cyclonus being a better leader ... >:oP
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Autobot tap out wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:But Galvatron, I wasn't expecting him to do much of anything.
And he didn't. He had 2 or 3 lines, he complained about how the Autobots were ruining everything, then just gave up, saying "Eh, I'll get you later".
He started the entire uprising and gave a speech.
As I recall, that "uprising" was crushed within minutes.
Megatron's always been a **** joke in Bay's films and, frankly, I'm sick of it.
First he was a terrible pilot who crashed in the arctic where he was stuck for literally thousands of years, including most of the first movie until the last 25 minutes or so.
Then, he willingly debased himself before The Fallen.
Then, he was a total wuss who pretty much handed his command over to Sentinel and put up no fight whatsoever when Optimus attacked him.
Now, he's a whiny bitch who, apart from the part you mentioned, does little more than complain about how the Autobots are ruining everything, never actually confronting said Autobots to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, then just sort of walking away, figuring "eh, I'll get you later".
It's high time Bay realized that ending a film like this DOES NOT guarantee a sequel, so Galvatron should get to have his moment now. You can't count on another movie being released to save his shining moment for.
He was a joke in G1. What's changed?
He in the animated film was close to epic after with him all wonko post movie he went downhill with cyclonus being a better leader ... >:oP
If you remember Rodimus threw Galvatron out of Unicrons head and it landed head down into a flame pool on Char. The landing and pool damaged its head which was shown by spark glitches when Cyclonus pulled Galvatron out. Galvatron sorta mellowed out after The Return of Optimus Prime part 2.
Autobot tap out wrote:
i hope y'all realize once Va'al gets back from wherever and reads these post insulting his favorite character , somebody's not going to be a happy camper
LOST Cybertronian wrote: He is currently tied up in the Seibertron.com basement. When we see fit to let him go, you can be sure he will give his opinions on the subject.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote: I thought the Daleks had him?
Hellscream9999 wrote: They do
The truth is revealed
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Autobot tap out wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:SlyTF1 wrote:But Galvatron, I wasn't expecting him to do much of anything.
And he didn't. He had 2 or 3 lines, he complained about how the Autobots were ruining everything, then just gave up, saying "Eh, I'll get you later".
He started the entire uprising and gave a speech.
As I recall, that "uprising" was crushed within minutes.
Megatron's always been a **** joke in Bay's films and, frankly, I'm sick of it.
First he was a terrible pilot who crashed in the arctic where he was stuck for literally thousands of years, including most of the first movie until the last 25 minutes or so.
Then, he willingly debased himself before The Fallen.
Then, he was a total wuss who pretty much handed his command over to Sentinel and put up no fight whatsoever when Optimus attacked him.
Now, he's a whiny bitch who, apart from the part you mentioned, does little more than complain about how the Autobots are ruining everything, never actually confronting said Autobots to DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT, then just sort of walking away, figuring "eh, I'll get you later".
It's high time Bay realized that ending a film like this DOES NOT guarantee a sequel, so Galvatron should get to have his moment now. You can't count on another movie being released to save his shining moment for.
He was a joke in G1. What's changed?
He in the animated film was close to epic after with him all wonko post movie he went downhill with cyclonus being a better leader ... >:oP
If you remember Rodimus threw Galvatron out of Unicrons head and it landed head down into a flame pool on Char. The landing and pool damaged its head which was shown by spark glitches when Cyclonus pulled Galvatron out. Galvatron sorta mellowed out after The Return of Optimus Prime part 2.
Autobot tap out wrote:
i hope y'all realize once Va'al gets back from wherever and reads these post insulting his favorite character , somebody's not going to be a happy camper
LOST Cybertronian wrote: He is currently tied up in the Seibertron.com basement. When we see fit to let him go, you can be sure he will give his opinions on the subject.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote: I thought the Daleks had him?
Hellscream9999 wrote: They do
The truth is revealed
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