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hasbro can do it, they're just lazy/cheap + the safety standards are different today. BS, if the old toys passed all those years ago, then they should pass today. Kids have just gotten dumber.

vectorA3 wrote:hasbro can do it, they're just lazy/cheap + the safety standards are different today. BS, if the old toys passed all those years ago, then they should pass today. Kids have just gotten dumber.

And people will sue about anything. Don't want to see Transformers brand continue, or GI JOE, or Star Wars, cause all it takes is one, one accidental death because they break the LAWS and they are done as a company.

Laws are laws. They cannot break them just because you want them to make something for you.

Not...cost...effective...please look at the Commemorative Series release for the reason why. But if people buy the G1 25th Prime up, you never know, they may get encouraged again.

It sounds like you want the 80's back. Reaganomics, Cold War, low gas prices, and $10-$20 Generation 1 Transformers.

i'm not saying H should break the law. It comes down to bad parenting any way you cut it - if the toy has small/dangerous pieces, there's no excuse for not keeping them away from the baby.

yeah - i would like the 80's back - minus reaganomics + cold war. I have enough Primes but I hope the 25th Anniv. G1 Prime sells. Too bad Megatron couldn't get his own set.

vectorA3 wrote:i'm not saying H should break the law. It comes down to bad parenting any way you cut it - if the toy has small/dangerous pieces, there's no excuse for not keeping them away from the baby.

yeah - i would like the 80's back - minus reaganomics + cold war. I have enough Primes but I hope the 25th Anniv. G1 Prime sells. Too bad Megatron couldn't get his own set.

Now that would be something to see...HASBRO selling G1 Megatron...

I think he is perhaps the lease likely ever to be remade, and we do know HASBRO has been looking at more of their G1 molds for later release.

Hopefully it is not Starscream, and Hot Rod again.

KOs are a popular choice for collectors for those toys which are too expensive to get, and provided they are almost the same, KO is indeed tempting to get. Some do get KOs for their stickers, weapons and boxes.
Some KOs are known be almost similar to the G1 mould, I was thinking since other sources can have them as a KO, surely Hasbro can make the mould and reissue them as an Encore? This would surely be very popular and keep the market share within the creators rather than a manufacturer in China. haha!

Anonymous- The KO revolution continues with many items to watch out for. G1 Prowl has been thrown into the accurate KO's list, but he is easy to spot, because MISB items have no POLICE sticker on the doors.

One that will be hard for collectors to turn down that I have just seen and been given proof that he is coming is the blue bodied, version of Bluestreak, available to so very few collectors because while G1 boxart showed the blue body, the only release in blue was a Diaclone (Pre-Transformers) version.

Much like the red G1 style- Mirage (hard to find Diaclone version), this toy will probably garner both a lot of love and a lot of hate due to its original scarcity, and now people wanting to own an original will have to be even more on guard to make sure they are not ordering/purchasing a KO. When more is known, hopefully we can help collectors to avoid the KO version, if it is a real version that they seek.

You can read more about Pre-Transformers releases here, and of course, go to page 1 of this thread to see the list of G1 era toys that have been 'remade' or unofficially knocked off. If it is MISB it should be easy, because it will be a G1 Bluestreak box, and according to sources, versions like that do not exist. Out of package and loose it may be a whole new ball game though.

Image of the 'new' remake version?

I'm still waiting for that Sunstreaker KO. If it's as good a quality as the Mirage i got i won't be disappointed.

I have a "G1" Ratchet that I suspect is a KO. I got it for Christmas in 2005 (with just a plastic bubble on cardboard, no official box). The toy looks like the original, comes with the same accessories, and even has some paint scratches revealing metal. However, it has no date; only Takara on it. Also, it looks a little too good to be 20+ years old. I am thankful that I have Ratchet, but am wondering if this is a KO or not.

Dragonoth wrote:I have a "G1" Ratchet that I suspect is a KO. I got it for Christmas in 2005 (with just a plastic bubble on cardboard, no official box). The toy looks like the original, comes with the same accessories, and even has some paint scratches revealing metal. However, it has no date; only Takara on it. Also, it looks a little too good to be 20+ years old. I am thankful that I have Ratchet, but am wondering if this is a KO or not.

If it has Takara on it and there is a circle around the name then it is a pre-G1 Transformers 'Diaclone' mould which does not make it a KO. If you can post a pic then this can be verified.

Diaclone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaclone

Commercials:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_590CkmWJ7I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4frjPXJL0s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udBat-ovIsg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uI36Gtk2vbg

capellamusic wrote:Those are both KOs... The original Beachcomber does not have a red autobot logo in his chest but another sticker instead. If it has the autobot logo it's a KO. Also, the sticker below it is in wrong colors.

Does this mean Seibertron.com's is a fake? http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/g1/beachcomber/402/

euphoricallydead wrote:

capellamusic wrote:Those are both KOs... The original Beachcomber does not have a red autobot logo in his chest but another sticker instead. If it has the autobot logo it's a KO. Also, the sticker below it is in wrong colors.

Does this mean Seibertron.com's is a fake? http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/toys/g1/beachcomber/402/

That one seems custom painted and with custom stickers as the belly sticker is in correct colors while the KO ones has it in wrong colors. But maybe the person who took the photos can answer that better.

capellamusic wrote:That one seems custom painted and with custom stickers as the belly sticker is in correct colors while the KO ones has it in wrong colors. But maybe the person who took the photos can answer that better.

Well I cracked open my catalogs and Warman's guide, showing I'm getting rusty. I forgot Beachcomber was a 1985 release and not a pre-rub. So, I guess we need to send a G1 Beachcomber in for a photo shoot.

Also, a note to seibertron.com admins: Can the gallery information be updated to reflect that the Beachcomber gallery is of a custom or K.O.

Seaspray is getting really upset over this whole affair. He feels betrayed that BC is not the guy he used to hang out with all the time.

vectorA3 wrote:Seaspray is getting really upset over this whole affair. He feels betrayed that BC is not the guy he used to hang out with all the time.

Beachcomber says that talk's like totally harshing his buzz man... Like...can't we just get along? So he got baked and got a tattoo. Happens brah. He says to chillax and smoke a bowel with him Seaspray. It's in a water pipe...

i knew they liked Pineapple Express. -all those conscientious objecting autobots - knew they were hippies who liked to smokeout!!

KO off Scourge. http://www.actoys.net/bbs/read.php?tid-325205.html

The easiest tell tale sign is the red Decepticon insignia. But a simple switch of the insignia could make these very tricky to spot. Here are some other signs to look for: (To view the whole image - open the image file name in a new window.)


This is the KO, but from the lighting and camera angle, the insignia looks reddish purple.



The grids are always give away. Look at how the grids don't line up the same way. Also, the sunburst near the feet is blurred but brighter.









The numbers on the stickers do not match up properly.



There are three versions of Scourge. The KO is on the right. The middle one may be the Targetmasters version.



Notice that the plastic for the KO has visible particles in it.



Notice the font used for the copyright symbols. The KO is slender.



Notice the extra divets in the KO.






The top image may be the Targetmaster version.



Raised rivet.
http://seibertron.com/images/news/gfx/1231230181_raised rivet.jpg

there should be a special on Dateline about these KOs. Air it around the time the new movie comes out.

i'm no expert, but if I saw a red decepticon symbol on a g1 scourge I'd be suspicious. Looks too suspect.

I recently ebayed a Soundwave with all his cassettes and noticed that Frenzy doesn't have metal feet like Rumble and his head is all slanted to one side. His legs come out and on the back it says Takara and says "Made in Macau." Is this a KO?

dabattousai wrote:I recently ebayed a Soundwave with all his cassettes and noticed that Frenzy doesn't have metal feet like Rumble and his head is all slanted to one side. His legs come out and on the back it says Takara and says "Made in Macau." Is this a KO?

It doesn't appear to be a KO, it seems to be one of those legit versions manufactured at Macau. I also have some TFs made in Macau. Usually these have less metal parts and slight differences in paint.

Okay, that makes me feel better. I guess I'll just touch him up with some paint or something when I find the time to make him look like he does have metal.

Thanks for the info.

Can someone PM me a list of the KO Transformers and where I can find them.. I already know about Doucon.. Thanks

Grimlock_1978 wrote:Can someone PM me a list of the KO Transformers and where I can find them.. I already know about Doucon.. Thanks

There is a list on the first page of the thread...

Grimlock_1978 wrote:Can someone PM me a list of the KO Transformers and where I can find them.. I already know about Doucon.. Thanks

I have these bookmarked:

http://www.kotransformers.com/

http://highendtfs.com/?q=node/17

I just picked up a loose g1 Wheeljack this morning. He clearly doesn't look to be a KO. He is identical to the one that I have in my personal collection with one exception:

The stamp says only : "Takara, Japan"

Whereas MINE says "hasbro, 1980-1982; Takara 1980-1982 japan"

Is it possibile that he's just a pre-hasbro version?

Galvatron Supreme wrote:I just picked up a loose g1 Wheeljack this morning. He clearly doesn't look to be a KO. He is identical to the one that I have in my personal collection with one exception:

The stamp says only : "Takara, Japan"

Whereas MINE says "hasbro, 1980-1982; Takara 1980-1982 japan"

Is it possibile that he's just a pre-hasbro version?

I think so, but I can be more certain tomorrow or after tomorrow as I'm going to receive a KO Wheeljack and I'll check it and then post here (with a photo if possible).